Violence Against Whom???

Colpy

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What some conveniently forget is that Lépine's gun was registered..............

Actually, no it was not. Registration was not required at that time.

But LePine could have registered it, if that had been necessary. He passed all the requirements for a Firearms acquisition License.....then called an FAC.

BTW, turns out I'm getting all wound up over nothing. The great NDP-Liberal anti-Liberty congregation totaled about 150 people......
 

DaSleeper

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Actually, no it was not. Registration was not required at that time.

But LePine could have registered it, if that had been necessary. He passed all the requirements for a Firearms acquisition License.....then called an FAC.

BTW, turns out I'm getting all wound up over nothing. The great NDP-Liberal anti-Liberty congregation totaled about 150 people......

Thanks.....I was going by memory, because some time before that I had to register a .30 MI carbine I had purchased eons before (because the barrel was under 18") just to be legal.
The reason I remember that is because the OPP officer at the time told me it didn't need to be registered.
Because he was measuring on the outside from the breech to the muzzle which was over the 18" minimum.
I had to show him the proper way to measure, by closing the breech and putting a cleaning rod down the barrel and measuring what is in the barrel.
I sometimes wonder how many registrants he turned away before:smile:
 

Colpy

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Thanks.....I was going by memory, because some time before that I had to register a .30 MI carbine I had purchased eons before (because the barrel was under 18") just to be legal.
The reason I remember that is because the OPP officer at the time told me it didn't need to be registered.
Because he was measuring on the outside from the breech to the muzzle which was over the 18" minimum.
I had to show him the proper way to measure, by closing the breech and putting a cleaning rod down the barrel and measuring what is in the barrel.
I sometimes wonder how many registrants he turned away before:smile:

LOL!!

Don't get me started!!!

Too late. :)

My brother had occasion to deal with the local police over his restricted weapons........and was closely questioned. turns out a police officer had misread the serial numbers....on two out of the three pistols, so they came back as unregistered.

Extrapolate THAT to the rest of the system!

It was revealed some time ago that no less than 18 Walther PP type pistols were registered under the same number. Turns out it was the Patent No.... lol

Extrapolate THAT to the rest of the system!


At least 4004 long guns were registered in the system.....despite the fact they had been reported stolen!

My old partner at Brinks duly sent away the registration forms for his long guns........and got no reply, although his cheque was cashed. He called, and wanted to give them the serial numbers to see if they actually had been registered, and to get new cards. They told him "the system doesn't work that way.......we can't just look up a gun with the serial number" He never did register.

I tried to transfer a Savage SXS shotgun, to be told it did not exist....according to their magical system. After 10 minutes of argument, she finally found it, and told me in a condescending tone "That's a FOX, not a Savage!' WRONG! Savage has owned Fox for 65 years........and the gun was marked SAVAGE.

I could go on...

I will.

I got a magical Firearms Identification Number sticker to afix to a lovely old Marlin bolt action .22 repeater, made without a serial number. I carefully followed instructions on afixing the "permanent" sticker, degreased a smooth area on the receiver, carefully dried in, avoided contact with the sticky surface.....and applied it. It immediately fell off. I laughed, chucked it and the other two I'd gotten out, and those guns still have no numbers.

I have a mediocre collection of about 25 guns. I have to write on the back of the registration forms further information to tell which goes with which without consulting serial numbers. For instance, I have Rem. Model 7s in .308 and .223, both with Leupold 4X scopes. The caliber is NOT included on the registration.....

USELESS.....
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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My brother had occasion to deal with the local police over his restricted weapons........and was closely questioned. turns out a police officer had misread the serial numbers....on two out of the three pistols, so they came back as unregistered.

Not to mention the thousands that are no doubt recorded wrong.
 

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In Britain you hardly ever hear domestic violence against men discussed in the media or by anti-domestic violence organisations.

This is despite the fact that 5% of British men have been the victims of domestic abuse, not far behind the number of women who have been the victims of domestic abuse - 7%.

In Canada the stats are almost exactly the same but the gap is even narrower. 6% of Canadian men, and 7% of Canadian women, have been victims of domestic abuse.
 

oleoleolanda

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In Britain you hardly ever hear domestic violence against men discussed in the media or by anti-domestic violence organisations.

This is despite the fact that 5% of British men have been the victims of domestic abuse, not far behind the number of women who have been the victims of domestic abuse - 7%.

In Canada the stats are almost exactly the same but the gap is even narrower. 6% of Canadian men, and 7% of Canadian women, have been victims of domestic abuse.

It was feminism that raised awareness of domestic violence in society, as well as abuse, including sexual abuse, of children. Unfortunately, it did so under the incorrect theory that these crimes were based on patriarchy and male power and deviency, which really worked hand in hand with the old sexist views that women are helpless and childlike. Even as the facts are coming out proving that women commit domestic violence against men and women (the rates of domestic violence in the lesbian community are very high) and that women, including mothers and other relatives, sexually abuse children, these facts are suppressed by the media as well as by the research community, which remains dominated by the feminist theory. And when it's not supressed, it's excused. The courts also typically go very easy on women who comitt these crimes in comparison to men. That's because they are perceived as "victims", often as having been victims of abuse themselves, or being mentally ill or suffering from depression. Fact is, most men who commit these crimes were also victims of abuse or domestic violence as children, suffer from depression, etc. but that's not seen as an excuse for men. And then much of the research and stats are based on convictions, so the numbers for women guilty of these crimes look way lower than they really are. As well, with the societal attitudes, many victims of female abuse and domestic violence don't come forward, so there's a huge problem with under reporting.
 

JLM

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It sincerely pisses me off when things like this are hijacked by people looking to score some kind of political goal. It infuriates me even more that it is allowed to become some twisted politically/socially polarizing event. The options constantly being thrown at us that you are either on board with that way of thinking or you are diamterically opposed to it.

I say bull****, this was a horrific crime. Those victims deserve to be remembered not the jackass who killed them and not because of some 'social issue'.

  • Geneviève Bergeron
  • Hélène Colgan
  • Nathalie Croteau
  • Barbara Daigneault
  • Anne-Marie Edward
  • Maud Haviernick
  • Maryse Laganière
  • Maryse Leclair
  • Anne-Marie Lemay
  • Sonia Pelletier
  • Michèle Richard
  • Annie St-Arneault
  • Annie Turcotte
  • Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz


"Jackass" is far too kind for that S.O.B.
 

bobnoorduyn

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Sensationalism, obfuscation, exaggeration, and divisiveness, (the "us vs. them" mentality) are the jackhammers in the activists' toolbox. For years womens' groups have portrayed themselves as vicitms of the system run by men, and for quite a time they in fact were, to a point. But as the equality of opportunity gap closed these groups found themselves becoming more and more irrelevent and began a "war without end" setting the "equality" bar ever higher. LEAF, (the Womens' Legal and Education Fund) is most active in the fight to expand the discrimination against men to turn equal opportunity into equal result. In other words, moving their starting line closer to the finish line, (I would love to have that advantage, I'd enter the Olympics). Offering university spots or employment based on race or gender is as much discrimination as denying the same based on likewise traits. Discrimination sucks, government sanctioned and approved discrimination sucks to the 10th power. But this is what is required to achieve an unattainable goal, which ensures the funding tap remains on indefinately.

I don't intend to blame the victims, I put the blame squarely on the system and groups that turned them into victims. In 1967, the federal Liberal government amended the Criminal Code to deprive the Local Registrars of Firearms the capacity to issue Conceal Carry Permits, after which only the wealthy or politicians were issued permits. The attempted effemination of our boys started years ago in our educational institutions, and continues in the workplace. It doesn't work, at least not in society's interest. Official discrimination favoured women over men for enrollment in engineering classes. And to cloud the issue, Marc Lepine is never refered to by his name, Gamil Gharbi. Whether he was a practicing Muslim, we'll never know, not officially anyway, or whether his belief was that it is an offense for women to achieve higher learning, or why he was denied enrollment. Whatever, the fuse was lit.

In any case, all the men left the classrooms when ordered to do so, because they were indoctinated as sheep starting at a young age, this is a proud Canadian tradition. (Jacob Ryker was shot several times, but still he and 7 other schoolmates disarmed and subdued an attacker at the Thurston High School in Oregon, he survived and was awarded the highest honour in the Boy Scouts of America for leadership and bravery.) No one was able to be legally armed as per the law of 1967, except of course the police, who were not required, nor even allowed to intentionally put themselves in harm's way.

I find it unsettling that someone would poke the tiger in the eye and call themselves a victim after being mauled, but it is beyond disgusting that the same person would poke the tiger in the eye from a safe distance and let others be victims, and still call themselves a vicitm.
 

oleoleolanda

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"Jackass" is far too kind for that S.O.B.

He was a demented killer and it is the victims who should be remembered rather than him but the massacre had nothing to do with domestic violence. Lepine's parents separated when he was about 5, I believe, and the mother said she'd been a victim of domestic violence on the divorce papers. However, when they separated, Lepine's mother paid foster families to take care of her children while she went back to work, and continued with her studies, including a Masters. She visited with her kids on the weekends and told them that the reason she had essentially abandoned them (as had their father) was because she had to work and get an education. Well, growing up in those days, I knew kids of single moms who worked and studied and they all managed to live with their kids. These days we can understand the traumatic impact this rejection by his mother would have had on the young Lepine and who knows what went on in these "hired" families. Lepine was also sexually abused by a Big Brother. Instead of growing up to understand his pain and anger at the abandonment, he turned pathological and monstrous and murdered the "feminists who were pursuing an education." He projected his rage for his mother, his pain, onto these innocent young women. His sister dealt with her pain with drug addiction, which eventually took her life.

The Montreal Massacre should be a day to think about child abuse, child neglect, child abandonment in all its forms and what we can do to prevent it and to help its victims when they are children rather than wait for the small percentage who end up turning it into hatred and murder and violence.
 

JLM

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He was a demented killer and it is the victims who should be remembered rather than him but the massacre had nothing to do with domestic violence. Lepine's parents separated when he was about 5, I believe, and the mother said she'd been a victim of domestic violence on the divorce papers. However, when they separated, Lepine's mother paid foster families to take care of her children while she went back to work, and continued with her studies, including a Masters. She visited with her kids on the weekends and told them that the reason she had essentially abandoned them (as had their father) was because she had to work and get an education. Well, growing up in those days, I knew kids of single moms who worked and studied and they all managed to live with their kids. These days we can understand the traumatic impact this rejection by his mother would have had on the young Lepine and who knows what went on in these "hired" families. Lepine was also sexually abused by a Big Brother. Instead of growing up to understand his pain and anger at the abandonment, he turned pathological and monstrous and murdered the "feminists who were pursuing an education." He projected his rage for his mother, his pain, onto these innocent young women. His sister dealt with her pain with drug addiction, which eventually took her life.

The Montreal Massacre should be a day to think about child abuse, child neglect, child abandonment in all its forms and what we can do to prevent it and to help its victims when they are children rather than wait for the small percentage who end up turning it into hatred and murder and violence.

I think there are reasons that Lepine did what he did that had nothing to do with the details of his domestic home life. There was a "short circuit" somewhere.
 

oleoleolanda

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I think there are reasons that Lepine did what he did that had nothing to do with the details of his domestic home life. There was a "short circuit" somewhere.

The effects of childhood traumas are very well documented and researched, and don't just include psychological damage and injuries, but actual changes to the brain. This has been verified by brain scans. The short circuits exist in victims of childhood traumas. Where I think you're right is that we don't know what causes some to turn into such extreme hatred and monstrous, pathological violence. But it is common for victims of childhood traumas to turn their rage towardsa general group they associate their parents with. In this case "feminists who pursue a university education."
 

JLM

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The effects of childhood traumas are very well documented and researched, and don't just include psychological damage and injuries, but actual changes to the brain. This has been verified by brain scans. The short circuits exist in victims of childhood traumas. Where I think you're right is that we don't know what causes some to turn into such extreme hatred and monstrous, pathological violence. But it is common for victims of childhood traumas to turn their rage towards a parent towards a general group they associated them with. In this case "feminists who pursue a university education."

I think if all victims of a difficult childhood identical to Lepine's acted as he did we'd have massacres every day of the year.
 

oleoleolanda

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I think if all victims of a difficult childhood identical to Lepine's acted as he did we'd have massacres every day of the year.

I agree, JLM. His sister became an addict and died very young, so even within the same family there are differences. So we have to research what that switch is and Lepine cannot be seen as a victim. He is accountable fully. But we can do a lot more to prevent future massacres and such violence by understanding childhood abuse and developing strategies as a society to prevent it and help its victims.

What the massacre had nothing to do with, however, is domestic violence against women and feminism...
 

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Fourteen young women who were killed in Canada’s worst mass shooting were remembered on Friday amid repeated calls for more to be done to eradicate violence against women.

They mark the history of a country. And how we remember and react to them says a lot about the kind of people we are.

But the sad truth is the years are taking their toll. The faces of the murdered women remain frozen in time.




École Polytechnique victims honoured on 24th anniversary of Montreal Massacre - The Globe and Mail








On this day in 1989, Marc Lepine walked into Montreal’s École Polytechnique. He separated the women from the men, and shouted “You’re all a bunch of feminists. I hate feminists.” Then he began killing the women.


He killed:

Geneviève Bergeron, age 21
Hélène Colgan, age 23
Nathalie Croteau, 23
Barbara Daigneault, 22
Anne-Marie Edward, 21
Maud Haviernick, age 29
Maryse Laganière, age 25
Maryse Leclair, 23
Anne-Marie Lemay, age 22
Sonia Pelletier , age 28
Michèle Richard, age 21
Annie St-Arneault, age 23
Annie Turcotte, age 20
Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz, age 31


Dec. 6 has become a national day to mark violence against women in Canada because the demons that plagued Lepine did not stop with his crime.


According to Statistics Canada, the rate of women being admitted to shelters is rising and most are seeking shelter from abuse. The United Nations has called Canada’s scar of missing and murdered aboriginal women a “disturbing phenomenon” in an understated but dangerous admission that aboriginal women can be abducted and killed with little recourse in Canada.




Fighting violence against women: Why Dec. 6 still matters | canada.com








 

Colpy

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Fourteen young women who were killed in Canada’s worst mass shooting were remembered on Friday amid repeated calls for more to be done to eradicate violence against women.

They mark the history of a country. And how we remember and react to them says a lot about the kind of people we are.

But the sad truth is the years are taking their toll. The faces of the murdered women remain frozen in time.




École Polytechnique victims honoured on 24th anniversary of Montreal Massacre - The Globe and Mail








On this day in 1989, Marc Lepine walked into Montreal’s École Polytechnique. He separated the women from the men, and shouted “You’re all a bunch of feminists. I hate feminists.” Then he began killing the women.


He killed:

Geneviève Bergeron, age 21
Hélène Colgan, age 23
Nathalie Croteau, 23
Barbara Daigneault, 22
Anne-Marie Edward, 21
Maud Haviernick, age 29
Maryse Laganière, age 25
Maryse Leclair, 23
Anne-Marie Lemay, age 22
Sonia Pelletier , age 28
Michèle Richard, age 21
Annie St-Arneault, age 23
Annie Turcotte, age 20
Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz, age 31


Dec. 6 has become a national day to mark violence against women in Canada because the demons that plagued Lepine did not stop with his crime.


According to Statistics Canada, the rate of women being admitted to shelters is rising and most are seeking shelter from abuse. The United Nations has called Canada’s scar of missing and murdered aboriginal women a “disturbing phenomenon” in an understated but dangerous admission that aboriginal women can be abducted and killed with little recourse in Canada.




Fighting violence against women: Why Dec. 6 still matters | canada.com










Gamil Ghabri was the son of an abusive Algerian Muslim father. Gamil Ghabri so hated his father that he had his name legally changed....to Marc Lepine.

Now you tell me why he hated women.

And what does that have to do with western men??

 

gerryh

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Oh cool. We still have, apparently, a national "Hate Men" day and one of our resident racists has managed to find a way to twist it some more and blame the Muslims also. Oh Yay.
 

Colpy

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Oh cool. We still have, apparently, a national "Hate Men" day and one of our resident racists has managed to find a way to twist it some more and blame the Muslims also. Oh Yay.

So glad you like.....now explain to me how Islam is NOT by definition oppressive to women.
 

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Each year we see the anniversary of violent acts. The case in Montreal, the Pearl Harbour
attack, the 9/11 disaster and the school shooting. It seems to me we should be checking
our collective sanity as we are celebrating that we are all victims of something greater than
ourselves.
We should remember the event in some way but a collective outpouring of television and
assembly is not the answer either. Instead of really looking at ourselves and wondering what
we can do we decide instead say we should be celebrating violence against men or women
or what ever, we should seek meaningful solutions on how to tackle mental illness and how
to find a way to protect victims before they become victims.
No is won't be easy and there may not be much we can do in the end but we should be
exploring positive solutions rather than reliving the hostile act
 

JLM

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Each year we see the anniversary of violent acts. The case in Montreal, the Pearl Harbour
attack, the 9/11 disaster and the school shooting. It seems to me we should be checking
our collective sanity as we are celebrating that we are all victims of something greater than
ourselves.
We should remember the event in some way but a collective outpouring of television and
assembly is not the answer either. Instead of really looking at ourselves and wondering what
we can do we decide instead say we should be celebrating violence against men or women
or what ever, we should seek meaningful solutions on how to tackle mental illness and how
to find a way to protect victims before they become victims.
No is won't be easy and there may not be much we can do in the end but we should be
exploring positive solutions rather than reliving the hostile act


Yep, maybe it's time to quit "wallowing" in this sh*t year after year, every date in the year was probably disastrous for someone at some point. We're all gonna die!