Vegetarian diets

Tonington

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Uh oh.... I hope I don't have to haul out my old post detailing the various scientific tests on plant's responses to stimuli and pain?

I never said they don't respond to stimuli. If they didn't they wouldn't have evolved defenses against pests and predators. There needs to be a selection pressure.

All I'm saying is that they aren't the same thing. It's not comparable. Pain is something we've described from an animal-centric model, obviously. What we describe as pain is similar to other animals that have the same pathways that we do.

Plants do not have those, they have their own. I mean it's kind of like losing the meaning of something when you translate it. Somethings just don't translate at all.

Plants move too, but that's not really comparable to how animals move now is it?
 

Tonington

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How is the nutritional value of Tofu superior to meat?

For the same amount of inputs, you can make way more tofu. So, you can feed way more people. That's nutritionally superior. If you're talking about the components we need in our diet, then that's different. How would you say one food is superior to another? Index the score based on the relative per cent of daily recommended values for the two food items? Also, meat is a pretty wide margin to hit. Tuna is better than hamburger?
 

talloola

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I find the big beef sausages very hard to resist, I also love bacon but avoid it due to the salt. WHY does everything have to be salted so much, haven't these people heard of refrigeration???????? :lol::lol::lol:

yes, JLM that salt is a killer. Guess it's all about taste.

Yeah, those sausages, italian 'hot' or 'mild', very tasty,
and brats, so yummy, maybe tomorrow we will have one or two,
as we haven't had any for months, and the big hot dogs with
the bavarian smokies, (i'm drooling), yes, tomorrow, can't
wait for bed time, as tomorrow will be here faster. lol
 

talloola

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Actually, you'll probably be surprised to hear me say it makes a lot of sense. When I was young there was probably a dozen foods I didn't like, but I was a part of a large family where there wasn't much money and liking or disliking food wasn't an option, after a fairly short period of time you acquire a taste for pretty well everything and actually come to enjoy a lot of things you didn't previously like, so I would say not only does it make sense but you are doing yourself a favour. (I have just a couple of things left to master - tofu and yogart which I haven't even had the nerve to try yet, oooooooh and tongue doesn't really appeal to me either) Everything else is good.

i was never much for yogurt JLM, till I started putting it
on my porridge, it's yummy, (prune yogurt or museli/apple,
or any flavour you like.
 

AnnaG

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Yep, and something else I ate a lot of as a kid was boiled nettles, but wear gloves to pick them......................:lol::lol:
I never tried them but I have heard they are good. :)
I'll pass on the rotten milk stuff. Even if it's got fruit in it.
 

JLM

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Well, I have been pretty much vegetarian for almost 20 years, am not yellow, am quite healthy and know that the statement "a vegetarian diet is very unhealthy" is maybe the stupidest statement I have ever seen on these boards, and that is saying a LOT.
I have things to do, but I will start to break it down here and now then come back to finish the job.

First problem with the statement- what is a "vegetarian diet"?? I am fairly sure that, in the mind of anyone who would actually believe such a stupid blanket statement, there is some kind of "diet" that anyone who is vegetarian MUST follow- a "diet" that has no basis in reality and consists of only stupid things that will eventually make you die. That is the ONLY way that statement could possibly even make sense, let alone be true.

Anyone who thinks that being vegetarian is like being a scientologist is literally retarded.

So, tell me what this killer diet is while I go about my business, I will return and I sure hope I get the response I am hoping for. The only thing anyone could back that statement up with is blatant lies, so this should be fun.

Oh and I am in no wise implying any kind of personal attack, the statement is outrageously dumb and I will prove it if I have to, but I want to know what the "death diet" is that all vegetarians suffer from :D

You have a perfect right to voice your opinion and to disagree with other's opinions but you don't have the right to be insulting and use abusive language........- a really intelligence person just doesn't show his ignorance like that and a post like that just destroys any credibility you would otherwise have. When an opposing opinion is put forth in a civil manner I'm inclined to look at it and consider the validity, in an obnoxious manner I'm even more inclined to stick with my opinion..............:lol::lol::lol:
 
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talloola

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I never tried them but I have heard they are good. :)
I'll pass on the rotten milk stuff. Even if it's got fruit in it.

There is no comparison to yogurt and rotten milk, but if
you had mentioned buttermilk, I would agree. My dad tried
to get me to drink buttermilk when I was a little girl, kept
drinking it in front of me and saying how delicious it was,
and I would continue ordering my usual milk shake, and
wouldn't go near the stuff, still won't.

No one is fussier about their milk products than I, milk
has to be very fresh before I will go near it, but I love
to drink it, have had lots of milk all my life, now just
the 'skim' variety, as even 2% tastes like cream to me now.
 

AnnaG

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Actually yogurt is milk that has had actobacillus bulgaricus and streptococcus thermophilus (yummy, huh?) bacterium introduced into it and it's been allowed to ferment (go rotten).
I'll pass.
I won't drink buttermilk either but I will use it in recipes; pancakes, for instance.
 

Twila

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I love yoghurt. The bacterial culture aides in digestion. Especially useful if you've been on antibiotics since they kill the flora in your stomach.

I dislike sour cream, but love cottage cheese. Which is funny considering sour cream is just sour and cottage cheese is curdled!

I've never drank butter milk. I may have to give it a go.
 

eh1eh

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Twila,
Yes yoghurt is great for the digestive system. I have one with lunch everyday at work and if I run out and miss a few days then my colon tells the story, but I won't get into that for obvious reasons. Other than some cheese on a sandwich a couple of times a week I don't have any other dairy except when I have a craving for Shreddies. The square ones, I won't eat the diamond ones, they taste different.
 

AnnaG

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Twila,
Yes yoghurt is great for the digestive system. I have one with lunch everyday at work and if I run out and miss a few days then my colon tells the story, but I won't get into that for obvious reasons. Other than some cheese on a sandwich a couple of times a week I don't have any other dairy except when I have a craving for Shreddies. The square ones, I won't eat the diamond ones, they taste different.
lol Wasn't there a commercial on tv about the diamond ones some time ago?