US vetoes UN resolution condemning ethnic cleansing

[petros]

It's about time Israel's Canadian critics put up or shut up. Either they go to Israel and start protesting possibly becoming the next Rachel Corrie or shut up and give up the Arm Chair Quarterbacking in the safety and security of they're homes because it's becoming hypocritical..

The safety and seurity of illegal homes on occupied territory?

Okay coach...Hail Mary it is.

You're right as a Christian I should do everythig possible to protect Christianity from being wiped off the face of the Holy land.

 

[BaalsTears]

What guilt? I had nothing to do with it - and one can not lose that which he has never touched.

Original sin can never be washed away.

The safety and seurity of illegal homes on occupied territory?

Okay coach...Hail Mary it is.

You're right as a Christian I should do everythig possible to protect Christianity from being wiped off the face of the Holy land.

I'm an atheist who no longer entertain illusions. Oblivion beckons. That works for me.

 

[lone wolf]

Original sin can never be washed away.

What is original sin - at risk of further hijacking this thread....

 

[petros]

I'm an atheist who no longer entertain illusions. Oblivion beckons. That works for me.

Even if you are atheist you may get judged by your deeds and not what your believe if there isn't oblivion.

That means forgiveness has it's limitations.

I wonder if Darby whack job Christians will ever catch on to that one?

 

[earth_as_one]

It's about time Israel's Canadian critics put up or shut up. Either they go to Israel and start protesting possibly becoming the next Rachel Corrie or shut up and give up the Arm Chair Quarterbacking in the safety and security of they're homes because it's becoming hypocritical..

Actually my main beef is with Canada, or more specifically Canada politicians, the MSM and popular opinion. Canada's unshakable support of Israeli atrocities is shameful.

I don't condemn the legal right of Israelis to defend themselves or even legal violent action they take against their violent adversaries. I condemn Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity. I condemn Israel's brutal crackdown and human rights violations against non-violent protesters. I condemn Israel's slow motion ethnic cleansing. So should all Canadians.

Canadians have forgotten who we used to be. When Canada was run by Lester B. Pearson, we were respected for our international efforts promoting peace and human rights. The Canadian flag used to be a symbol of freedom and justice. Now try wearing one anywhere in the Arab world. Our Prime Minister sided with a brutal oppressive dictator against the Egyptian people. For years we have expressed our unshakable support for Israel despite their criminal treatment of Palestinians.

I want to be able to travel anywhere and wear a Canadian flag with pride. I used to be proud of Canada. Thanks to the actions of PM Harper I am ashamed of what we have become.

I want my Canada back.

 

[BaalsTears]

What is original sin - at risk of further hijacking this thread....

The benefits in the present that are derived from the immoral actions of your predecessors in the past. My maternal ancestors were in Ireland when the First Peoples of SK were rounded up. Nevertheless, they benefited from the immoral actions of the predecessors of the Canadians.

Even if you are atheist you may get judged by your deeds and not what your believe if there isn't oblivion.

That means forgiveness has it's limitations.

I wonder if Darby whack job Christians will ever catch on to that one?

Perhaps, but I won't give a ****.

 

[petros]

I wonder if you can opt out of heaven?

I'm baffled that 46.67% of voters on this post think that vetoing the condemnation of genocide was a good idea.

So I guess a Memorial thread to Hitler would be highly welcomed?

 

[BaalsTears]

I wonder if you can opt out of heaven?

Yes. Heaven doesn't want Fifth Columnists.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Actually my main beef is with Canada, or more specifically Canada politicians, the MSM and popular opinion. Canada's unshakable support of Israeli atrocities is shameful.

I don't condemn the legal right of Israelis to defend themselves or even legal violent action they take against their violent adversaries. I condemn Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity. I condemn Israel's brutal crackdown and human rights violations against non-violent protesters. I condemn Israel's slow motion ethnic cleansing. So should all Canadians.

Canadians have forgotten who we used to be. When Canada was run by Lester B. Pearson, we were respected for our international efforts promoting peace and human rights. The Canadian flag used to be a symbol of freedom and justice. Now try wearing one anywhere in the Arab world. Our Prime Minister sided with a brutal oppressive dictator against the Egyptian people. For years we have expressed our unshakable support for Israel despite their criminal treatment of Palestinians.

I want to be able to travel anywhere and wear a Canadian flag with pride. I used to be proud of Canada. Thanks to the actions of PM Harper I am ashamed of what we have become.

I want my Canada back.

Thank you Hedy Fry! I knew you were a woman. Have you seen any more burning crosses in Prince George?

Peacekeeping was something Liberals touted so they didn't have to feel guilty when they sent troops into harms way. That was when we had soldiers fighting tooth and nail for descent housing, doing back to back tours in substandard equipment and being told to feel ashamed to wear the uniform because a couple of bad apples.

Never before have Canadians been so United behind their military (as they should be) and that is no thanks to Lester B Pearson or the likes of Pierre Trudeau or Jean Chretien who almost destroyed our armed forces and all they stood for.

I don't ever want that Canada back. Not ever.

 

[petros]

I'm baffled that 46.67% of voters on this post think that vetoing the condemnation of genocide was a good idea.

So I guess a Memorial thread to Hitler would be highly welcomed?

50/50 now....

 

[Colpy]

I wonder if you can opt out of heaven?

I'm baffled that 46.67% of voters on this post think that vetoing the condemnation of genocide was a bad idea.

Baffled??

Allow me to enlighten you......

The average life expectancy is slightly less tha 72 years.

The population in 1990 was 1.9 million....today it is 4 million.

There is no genocide, except in the fevered imagination of the Jew haters.

I deleted the last line of your quote, as it was completely offensive and without any basis.......

 

[petros]

No genocide unless it is tied to Jews?

Are you drunk?

 

[earth_as_one]

... I knew you were a woman...Never before have Canadians been so United behind their military (as they should be) and that is no thanks to Lester B Pearson or the likes of Pierre Trudeau or Jean Chretien who almost destroyed our armed forces and all they stood for.

I don't ever want that Canada back. Not ever.

Actually I'm a middle aged guy from Thunder Bay who lives near Toronto.

I'm proud of Canada's many peacekeeping missions and the role we played resolving international disputes peacefully. We won friends and respect. Getting a seat at the UNSC never used to be a problem.

As far as military funding is concerned, your opinion is inaccurate regarding Trudeau:

December 14, 2007, 5:35 PM by Jonathan Kay
Jonathan Kay



Who’s responsible for our underfunded military? A new analysis prepared by the Library of Parliament for Senator Colin Kenny suggests two names: Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien.

Mr. Kenny’s report, released this month, tabulates real per-capita defence spending from 1970 to the 2007. As the graph above shows, Pierre Trudeau, for all his peacenick posturing, boosted spending considerably. But it then plummeted under Messrs. Mulroney and Chrétien.

Paul Martin gave it a small boost. But Stephen Harper has been the real saviour: The one-year uptick from 2006 to 2007 is the largest on modern record.

A picture tells a thousand words, and the picture above shows that Mr. Harper has been a friend to our long-neglected armed forces. Let’s hope the pattern continues in 2008 and beyond.

Read more: Jonathan Kay on the funding of Canada's military, 1970-2007 - Full Comment

 

[lone wolf]

The benefits in the present that are derived from the immoral actions of your predecessors in the past. My maternal ancestors were in Ireland when the First Peoples of SK were rounded up. Nevertheless, they benefited from the immoral actions of the predecessors of the Canadians.

If you choose to live with guilt over things that can't be changed - things you had no part in - that's your own cross to bear. The first of my family to reach these shores settled on lands where the previous occupant wondered what fool thinks he can own the land upon which he walks.

 

[earth_as_one]

I don't claim Israel currently commits genocide. But they have been responsible for genocide in the past.
SABRA AND SHATILA By Robert Fisk

Some Israeli soldiers commit war crimes, while other refuse orders they considered to be war crimes. Restricting humanitarian aid is a crime against humanity. Israeli settlement building on occupied Palestine is a war crime. Since Israel has laws defining who is and isn't a Jew and awards rights based on Jewishness, evicts people from their homes if they aren't Jewish and awards those homes to the new residents because they are sufficiently Jewish... Israel practices religious based discrimination and ethnic cleansing.

 

[BaalsTears]

Then it's basically a failure of democracy in the USA that genocide isn't condemned?...

I'm sorry I missed your post. Democracry is more robust in America than anywhere else because our right to dissent is not circumscribed. The Canadian Mark Steyn would never have been prosecuted in America as he was in Canada for exercising the right to free speech. Our First Amendment to the US Constitution makes all the difference in the world.

On the question of condemnation, you mistake democracy for consciousness. They are different.

If you choose to live with guilt over things that can't be changed - things you had no part in - that's your own cross to bear. The first of my family to reach these shores settled on lands where the previous occupant wondered what fool thinks he can own the land upon which he walks.

In my opinion I am responsible for the Sioux and you are responsible for the Huron. In any event, we have reached an intellectual impasse. Our consciousness differs. You are entitled to your views. Baptism washes away the sins?

I don't claim Israel currently commits genocide. But they have been responsible for genocide in the past.
SABRA AND SHATILA By Robert Fisk

Some Israeli soldiers commit war crimes, while other refuse orders they considered to be war crimes. Restricting humanitarian aid is a crime against humanity. Israeli settlement building on occupied Palestine is a war crime. Since Israel has laws defining who is and isn't a Jew and awards rights based on Jewishness, evicts people from their homes if they aren't Jewish and awards those homes because the new residents are sufficiently Jewish... Israel practices religious based discrimination and ethnic cleansing.

There is a difference in degree and magnitude between war crimes and genocide.

 

[lone wolf]

.... Baptism washes away the sins?

Nope....

...but the Serenity Prayer gives a clue....

 

[BaalsTears]

Nope....

...but the Serenity Prayer gives a clue....

Here's a question for anybody. Do the First Peoples of Canada believe that the present white residents of Canada are blameless for the predicament the First Peoples find themselves in?

 

[earth_as_one]

There is a difference in degree and magnitude between war crimes and genocide.

No doubt. Sabra and Shatila qualifies as genocide. None of the many war crimes the IDF committed in Gaza recently were genocide.

 

[petros]

I'm sorry I missed your post. Democracry is more robust in America than anywhere else because our right to dissent is not circumscribed. The Canadian Mark Steyn would never have been prosecuted in America as he was in Canada for exercising the right to free speech. Our First Amendment to the US Constitution makes all the difference in the world.

On the question of condemnation, you mistake democracy for consciousness. They are different.

So who was expressing democratic dissent by vetoing condemanation of genocide? The people of America? I highly doubt they would democratically chose to condone genocide and I don't buy into the Obama or Israel angles.