US official: al-Awlaki dead in US attack in Yemen

Ocean Breeze

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Greenwald on Awlaki’s killing: The ‘Constitution burned and stepped on’

He made War on his own nation - So he is an enemy of and at War - Hard to understand.

that's the simple version. How far is the USG going to go in eroding the principles it brags about , and the constitution it was built on.

at this rate.......anyone , anywhere can be deemed "an enemy" or a terrorist WITHOUT HARD EVIDENCE and be assassinated without due process of law. An accusation seems to be all it takes . Or some vague suspicions ....

IF this is how the law is going to be abused.......then it better be abused the same way in and by ALL nations. See how far that gets everyone. The US is not the only nation that can "justify" horrors like assassinations.

Welcome to the new lawless world ....that is also BROKE financially.
 

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With al-Awlaki dead, it’s apparent Obama’s covert campaign knows no boundaries


President Obama's relentless program of wiping out top al-Qaida leaders around the world through unilateral covert strikes claimed another victim on Friday, when Anwar al-Awlaki, the U.S.-born radical cleric identified as "chief of external operations" for al-Qaida on the Arabian Peninsula, was killed in Yemen as he rode in a convoy.
Awlaki's death followed the takedown of al-Qaida's No. 2 official, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, in late August, and Osama bin Laden in early May. U.S. officials quickly sought to justify the strike against a U.S. citizen abroad. "Anwar al-Awlaki was one of AQAP's most dangerous terrorists, and was directly involved in planning attacks against the United States, including the 2010 cargo bomb plot and Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab's attempt to blow up a plane in December 2009," a U.S. official said. "His death takes a committed terrorist, intent on attacking the United States, off the battlefield."
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that's the simple version. How far is the USG going to go in eroding the principles it brags about , and the constitution it was built on.

at this rate.......anyone , anywhere can be deemed "an enemy" or a terrorist WITHOUT HARD EVIDENCE and be assassinated without due process of law. An accusation seems to be all it takes . Or some vague suspicions ....

What planet are you from? Do you think that soldiers consult lawyers before they launch an assault?

IF this is how the law is going to be abused.......then it better be abused the same way in and by ALL nations. See how far that gets everyone. The US is not the only nation that can "justify" horrors like assassinations.

Tell you what Ocean Breeze. We'll deputize you, give you a shiny badge, a notarized arrest warrant and a ticket to Pakistan. The next time one of these bugs pops his head up, you go and arrest him.

No worries, after they cut your head off we will send in a drone and zap them in place.

Welcome to the new lawless world ....that is also BROKE financially.
Who are you welcoming, the aliens you are getting all your crazy ideas from?
 

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Of course the USG overt and covert campaign knows no boundaries now. It has granted itself the right and privilege to kill in any country as long as they can claim the subject of the kill is a terrorist or has terrorist ties. They feel they don't even have to provide evidence of same. Seems that even ruimors are enough to "terror list " a subject .

And now that the USG is taking THIS kind of liberty as a given , one only has to consider the next step / level it will take on the grounds of their "terrorist" war. Like has been stated before......... This terrorist factor is a gift that just keeps giving and the USG is reaping benefits undreamed of without it.

Incredible as all the troops have to do is man some machines and not even get their hands bloody. The war by robot has begun. and with that in effect ......there is no limit as to what can be done now. In the name of "anti terrorism" or "national security" of course.

You can't buy these kinds of liberties and get away with it. But how long can they get away with this?? If they think folks are paranoid about the US and distrustful........this is not helping one bit . If folks dare act out , or speak out....... along comes the robotic assassin.

the one question no one is asking out of sheer fear is : how come the actions of the USG are not considered terrorist in nature?? As that is exactly what they are.

Who said that "terrorism" exists only against the US ....when the US is reacting in kind??

The cycle of violence is being perpetuated and no one is being held accountable. Accountability does not matter anymore. Anyone that speaks out can be considered a terrorist and therefore a target.

the collective psyche has been perverted now. Good is bad, bad is good, war is good. Peace is bad. and on it goes.
 

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The government of Yemen could have arrested him and he would have been brought to trial whether in the USA or World Court.

Well at least you acknowledge a counter claim I'll give you that. Would that be the same way the Yemen government arrested OBL and handed him over to Clinton? It's not going to happen, there would be full scale revolt.
 

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OBL was not in custody of Yemen's government. His youngest wife was from that country but she resided in Pakistan.

You guys all want to be world cops, running around and arresting people for acts of war. Best just to kill them in place. A day or two of bitching by the locals and then it goes away. Start grabbing people out of Countries and dragging them into court and you'll have even more acts of terror aimed at their release.
 

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Just a reminder that it was our glorious Republican Bush who ordered the capture of OBL:

Get Osama Bin Laden before I leave office, orders George W Bush - Times Online

Get Osama Bin Laden before I leave office, orders George W Bush



As patriotic law abiding citizens we have no choice but to obey the president.

If it were up to me, however, I would withdraw from the UN and stay out of international politics. We have enough problems at home that need to be solved before we trouble ourselves with other people's hassles.
 

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U.S. officials warn of possible retaliation over al-Awlaki killing

U.S. officials warn of possible retaliation over al-Awlaki killing - CNN.com


Ya think??? Gee, seems it is only the USG that is allowed to "retaliate" in full force and spread it world wide now.

One wonders why the USG would continue to provoke even more anti american resentment than there is already with these acts.

Seems also that the constitution is not worth the paper it was scribed on. And all those rights that US is claiming to protect are getting rarer and rarer.

Those that condone this continued babarism and lawlessness.....could care less about the civlity of the law and humanity. They have descended to the same level of those they claim to despise.

The government of Yemen could have arrested him and he would have been brought to trial whether in the USA or World Court.

Of course they could have. Heck......the US could have extradicted him if they wanted to make a big show of him for public consumption and then lynched him on their own soil.

but again.......the legal way is no longer the US style. Assassinations are just so much more expedient. (and cold , cruel , illegal, unethical and WRONG.......

we are seeing such a tragedy unfold in front of our eyes and yet not a peep from the US population which (with the exception of a minority) could care less about due process of law. Revenge and vindictive conduct are the order of the day.

What happened to the constitution ??? Each act like this shreds it further.

As patriotic law abiding citizens we have no choice but to obey the president.

gopher: no choice????? No wonder a president can get away with so much illegal, unethical conduct .......(regardless of party) And not a question or protest to be heard or seen.Sounds very close to an autocracy ...:-(

 

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U.S. officials warn of possible retaliation over al-Awlaki killing

U.S. officials warn of possible retaliation over al-Awlaki killing - CNN.com


Ya think??? Gee, seems it is only the USG that is allowed to "retaliate" in full force and spread it world wide now.

One wonders why the USG would continue to provoke even more anti american resentment than there is already with these acts.

Seems also that the constitution is not worth the paper it was scribed on. And all those rights that US is claiming to protect are getting rarer and rarer.

Those that condone this continued babarism and lawlessness.....could care less about the civlity of the law and humanity. They have descended to the same level of those they claim to despise.



Of course they could have. Heck......the US could have extradicted him if they wanted to make a big show of him for public consumption and then lynched him on their own soil.

but again.......the legal way is no longer the US style. Assassinations are just so much more expedient. (and cold , cruel , illegal, unethical and WRONG.......

we are seeing such a tragedy unfold in front of our eyes and yet not a peep from the US population which (with the exception of a minority) could care less about due process of law. Revenge and vindictive conduct are the order of the day.

What happened to the constitution ??? Each act like this shreds it further.

As patriotic law abiding citizens we have no choice but to obey the president.

gopher: no choice????? No wonder a president can get away with so much illegal, unethical conduct .......(regardless of party) And not a question or protest to be heard or seen.Sounds very close to an autocracy ...:-(

Ocean Breeze lives in her own little anti-american world gopher. Being a democrat doesn't mean anything.
 

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U.S. drone killing of American al-Awlaki prompts legal, moral debate

U.S. drone killing of American al-Awlaki prompts legal, moral debate - CNN.com


One should hope so. ( raise serious questions about the legality, ethical and morality of targeted assassinations .....)

and that does not cover those that are considered "collateral damage"....

Yes. Some people that have "serious questions about the legality, ethical and morality of targeted assassinations" of the leaders of terror organizations that are fighting a war with us.

Those people are either the enemies of western freedom or complete drooling idiots, or both.

So, OB, tel us your solution????

What should they do when they find their implacable enemy ensconced in Pakistan or Yemen???

OHHHH Wait for it!

They aren't REALLY our enemies.....it was the Mossad and GWB responsible for 9-11.

It all comes beack to that, doesn't it?

So, play the game.....what is the accused terror network of al-queda DID do 9-11???? What then????

What should the USA do?

I await your answer with bated breath.
 

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There should be no question at all about the legality, ethical and morality of assassinating those who have declared war and are now in the process of planning to kill more of us. Destroying its leadership by any means is the way to go. Why waste more live trying to get the alive. There are some pretty big rewards out there for various terrorist individuals, get a group of like thinkers and try it your way. I personally like our way, know it works.