University of Alberta’s $17,500 security fee on pro-life event gags free speech

[Nick Danger]

"I" am not responsible for someone elses actions. Neither is the pro-life movement. If someone get's violent at a peaceful demonstration, then they and they alone are responsible for their actions and should be treated and charged accordingly.

In principle I'd agree, but things are a little more complicated here. We had a similar "educational display" marching around a nearby hospital for a couple of weeks last summer. These people were far from "peaceful demonstrators" and bystanders were openly intimidated. In reading the history of exchnages between this group and the UofA administration over the years it's pretty easy to see they are taking an in-your-face stance and thus must take some responsibility for the atmosphere they are creating.

 

[CDNBear]

In principle I'd agree, but things are a little more complicated here. We had a similar "educational display" marching around a nearby hospital for a couple of weeks last summer.

Dishonesty is another earmark of a lack of reason and logic.

They aren't marching, they are putting up a display.

You can keep on making stuff up as you go, to look right, but you're failing.

 

[gerryh]

Who's stifling? This is the same twisted crap you tried to push when we talked about The Rebel, and I'm not buying it. Take your trolling somewhere else.

I've been involved in helping host a few public events over the years. It was generally accepted that we were responsible for purchasing liability insurance to cover any unforeseen mishaps that may arise out of the event. How is the UofA situation any different? The need for security wouldn't exist without the "educational display".

The UofA is only interested in stifling the pro life message. That is it. U of C did the same thing with the Pro lifers. Did the government or cities require abortion clinics to pay for extra policing to make sure that pro-life protesters stayed away from their doors? No, the government brought in legislation and provided police "protection". Looks to me like this is a one way street.

 

[Nick Danger]

Having been involved in large scale events on public properties involving hundreds of teens. I can tell you I have never seen a liability cost that high.

Well if we had some sort of breakdown of those costs then we could comment with some credibility.

 

[CDNBear]

Well if we had some sort of breakdown of those costs then we could comment with some credibility.

And you would have more if you stopped making stuff up.

 

[Nick Danger]

And you would have more if you stopped making stuff up.

*yawn*

 

[CDNBear]

*yawn*

I agree, you can stuff up even while sleeping.

It doesn't take much.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

No wonder you guys are so quick to fall back on name-calling and insults, reason and logic is beyond your reach.

So far, you've presumed to tell Bear what his position is, and called anyone who disagrees with you "bozos."

Pretty rich for you to criticizing others for "name-calling and insults."

 

[Nick Danger]

...and called anyone who disagrees with you "bozos."

Not everyone. Just the ones who do so with insults and brow beating, you know, the bozos.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Not everyone. Just the ones who do so with insults and brow beating, you know, the bozos.

Sorry a belief in free speech offends you.

 

[Nick Danger]

Sorry a belief in free speech offends you.

You should probably stick to what I actually said, instead of being dishonest and making stuff up.
You wouldn't want to look like a member of a goon squad or anything, lol

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You should probably stick to what I actually said, instead of being dishonest and making stuff up.
You wouldn't want to look like a member of a goon squad or anything, lol

You're right, I'm sorry. Only you get to tell other people where their sympathies lie.

 

[Nick Danger]

I wonder why the group didn't accept the offer of a less open venue to mitigate the security costs? Not confrontational enough perhaps?

 

[gerryh]

I wonder why the group didn't accept the offer of a less open venue to mitigate the security costs? Not confrontational enough perhaps?

Do the pro choicers get given the same options? 17,500 or hidden away?

 

[Ludlow]

Are you starting to see why I distance myself from the left as drastically as I do?

As long as you stand downwind I'm sure they won't mind

 

[taxslave]

I can understand the university's position, Whether the cost is out of line or not I don't know. I guess the litmus test would be do they charge a pro abortion group the same fee?

 

[Nick Danger]

Do the pro choicers get given the same options? 17,500 or hidden away?

From what UofA staffers have said in the media, yes. The outcome of similar situations in the past has shown the student body to be divided and passionate over this issue. The feeling is that you can't have one side put on a presentation without attracting the other side. The choice of a more private, more easily controlled venue would insure that those attending would be open to the opinions being expressed, thus less chance of any hostility.

 

[damngrumpy]

The anti abortion groups will be around whining in the wilderness until
JC comes back it is time to move on

 

[Scooby]

The organizers of this event should have been clever in this play. The university has clear-cut policies on security and safety and that makes them a target for political bs.

Thinking of targeting, are university attending females not likely to have their lives derailed by an unwanted pregnancy? Seems pretty sick to torment some pretty stressed out people more, just to satisfy a purely judgemental urge by evangelicals.

 

[gerryh]

The organizers of this event should have been clever in this play. The university has clear-cut policies on security and safety and that makes them a target for political bs.

Thinking of targeting, are university attending females not likely to have their lives derailed by an unwanted pregnancy? Seems pretty sick to torment some pretty stressed out people more, just to satisfy a purely judgemental urge by evangelicals.

You do realize that one can not get pregnant "by accident". That there are certain "biological" steps that need to be taken for one to become pregnant, right?