Under what condition should we initiate war against North Korea?

[Chiliagon]

you really want to avoid a war? take a bomb, place it at the North Korean leaders house.. make it nice and destructive and drop it.

boom, war over. force them to surrender without any if ands or butts and get it over with.

 

[darkbeaver]

Hello Mr MacCain.

 

[ironsides]

How are you rating these countries?

Number of unprovoked wars they've started? How about the number of dead civilians? Most children used as human shields?

What countries and what unprovoked wars are you referring to? By unprovoked I mean that country did nothing to provoked anyone, they were just minding their own business and not harmong anyone.

 

[CUBert]

you really want to avoid a war? take a bomb, place it at the North Korean leaders house.. make it nice and destructive and drop it.

boom, war over. force them to surrender without any if ands or butts and get it over with.

how sad it is when this guy is the smarter than more than half the people in this thread :lol:

 

[ironsides]

you really want to avoid a war? take a bomb, place it at the North Korean leaders house.. make it nice and destructive and drop it.

boom, war over. force them to surrender without any if ands or butts and get it over with.

Perfect, just remove Kim Jong-il and his family in one swoop. I Like it.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Then looking at it that way, why not help to develop the country now so as to give it a headstart.

What kind of aid are we giving it right now? If its food, why not cut that aid and replace it with educational aid for North Korean farmers, to upgrade their agricultural skills. After all, just as we don't want North Korea to be dependent on us now, we won't want it to depend on us in future either. So why not start now to educate its population? Sure the North will want such education to be strictly technical. But heck, even that will help open up the minds of the people. After all, won't they find it strange that the West is hiring South Korean experts to go North to educate them? Certainly they'll clue in that, oh, we don't have these skills anywhere in the North and so have to import foreign teachers.

But I don't think we should give North Korea any aid whatsoever beyond educational. At least educational aid goes straight to the people. Any material aid just goes to feed the regime.

Interestingly most of the aid given to North Korea comes from South Korea. If there was ever a war between the two countries thousands of North Korean would probably starve. Damned silly isn't it?

 

[ironsides]

Lets just hope that this is all that happens as a result of the actions of N. Korea. Yes, the N. Koreans are a very silly and dangerous people.

SEOUL, South Korea – South Korea's president promised Tuesday to transform five islands that lie along the tense maritime border with North Korea into "military fortresses" impervious to the kind of deadly attack the rival neighbor launched last month.
SKorea to make islands near NKorea 'fortresses' - Yahoo! News

 

[Cliffy]

Lets just hope that this is all that happens as a result of the actions of N. Korea. Yes, the N. Koreans are a very silly and dangerous people.

SEOUL, South Korea – South Korea's president promised Tuesday to transform five islands that lie along the tense maritime border with North Korea into "military fortresses" impervious to the kind of deadly attack the rival neighbor launched last month.
SKorea to make islands near NKorea 'fortresses' - Yahoo! News

I tend to like national leaders who can thumb their noses at the US of A. Kim may be a psychopathic loon, but I admire his audacity.

 

[Chiliagon]

Lets just hope that this is all that happens as a result of the actions of N. Korea. Yes, the N. Koreans are a very silly and dangerous people.

SEOUL, South Korea – South Korea's president promised Tuesday to transform five islands that lie along the tense maritime border with North Korea into "military fortresses" impervious to the kind of deadly attack the rival neighbor launched last month.
SKorea to make islands near NKorea 'fortresses' - Yahoo! News

I don't know if I'd say the North Korean People are dangerous..

they're a lot like the Germans in the late 30's and 40's. how many of them were fully with Hitler? and how many were just following orders in fear of their lives?

 

[petros]

There is something in S.Korea that is more powerful than Seoul and Pyongyang, has more money and global influence than both N. and S Korea combined and has Beijing, Washington, London, Berlin, Moscow in it's back pocket

Piddly little islands mean nothing but if even a firecracker were tossed it's way by N. Korea or anyone else they would be levelled by the money men of the world.

Human lives mean nothing but if this industry were to suffer a minor bruise there will be hell to pay.

Hyundai Heavy Industries Ulsan S. Korea.

 

[ironsides]

I don't know if I'd say the North Korean People are dangerous..

they're a lot like the Germans in the late 30's and 40's. how many of them were fully with Hitler? and how many were just following orders in fear of their lives?

The people are actually pretty nice, the N. Korean military is the problem. Question is how do you neutralize the goverment without collateral damage.

 

[CUBert]

The people are actually pretty nice, the N. Korean military is the problem. Question is how do you neutralize the goverment without collateral damage.

Actually the people would dislike imperialist trash like yourself

 

[ironsides]

Actually the people would dislike imperialist trash like yourself

How many times have you been in and out of N. Korea? (without hurting anyone)

 

[Machjo]

Whatever standard you use, just be sure it is the same standard you would employ against the USA.

It is. And more so, it's the same standard I'd expect for Canada.

 

[Trotz]

I don't know if I'd say the North Korean People are dangerous..

they're a lot like the Germans in the late 30's and 40's. how many of them were fully with Hitler? and how many were just following orders in fear of their lives?

This is actually often overlooked, by which Kim IL Jong does share parallels with National Socialist ideology.

The concept of Juche can be regarded as being similar to die Herrenrasse (Master Race) in Nazi Germany.

On that basis alone, you could argue that North Korea is probably (ironically enough as it claims to be Communist) the only ideological successor in the world to National Socialism (with apartheid states such as former South Africa and Israel coming in at second, than countries like Syria at third).

This is a source of tension between China (Empire) and North Korea (ethnic state). By that, North Korea is otherwise a successful model of a powerful ethnic state, whereas, China is effectively a yellow-river Han Empire with minorities wishing to break away and these minorities do see DPRK and Kim IL Jong as inspiration.

North Korea is effectively a loner in the world in that its state ideology creates tension with both China and the West, the former only propping North Korea out of realism necessity (namely as without Chinese support the DPRK government would collapse and be replaced by a NATO-friendly Korea)

 

[earth_as_one]

What countries and what unprovoked wars are you referring to? By unprovoked I mean that country did nothing to provoked anyone, they were just minding their own business and not harmong anyone.

I was referring to the Iraq war. Iraq was not linked to the events of 9/11, did not have any WMDs, and UN weapon inspectors could go anywhere and interview anyone. The US declared war, right after Hans Blix stated that all remaining disarmament issues would be resolved within months. I suggest you read this report filed by Blix three weeks before the 2003 US led war crime against the Iraqi people which has resulted in hundreds of thousands violent civilian deaths and turned millions of Iraqis into refugees.
Security Council 7 March 2003
Pay attention to the last two paragraphs as I believe those statements triggered the US decision to go to war before the American people figured out they were being bamboozled.

Sounds to me like you still haven't figured it out yet.

 

[CurioToo]

I repeat what I believe is singly my own opinion and not educated in military affairs to fully comprehend what I write...however...

I resent the implication by other nations that the U.S. would be compliant and complicit in any orders by the U.N. to conduct aggressive
warfare against another nation regardless of what attack was launched by North Korea and upon which nation - excepting the U.S.
on its home soil.

The U.S. should pack up and remove its remaining military from the DMZ and let another U.N. participating nation take its place or if not possible, simply leave and let China take over as it will eventually.

I resent that more American (and/or Canadian) have to be lost to the never ending detente between the Koreas and believe the protectionism offered by the western powers simply gives the opposing parties, along with the cheerleading by the U.N. who think
they are witnessing an international soccer match...... let the Koreas work it out.

No more western lives sacrificed by U.N. idiocy and ignorant oversight. There is nothing democratic about the U.N. - in fact they
play very "royal" when it comes to their commitments to each other and profit well from it personally.

 

[ironsides]

I was referring to the Iraq war. Iraq was not linked to the events of 9/11, did not have any WMDs, and UN weapon inspectors could go anywhere and interview anyone. The US declared war, right after Hans Blix stated that all remaining disarmament issues would be resolved within months. I suggest you read this report filed by Blix three weeks before the 2003 US led war crime against the Iraqi people which has resulted in hundreds of thousands violent civilian deaths and turned millions of Iraqis into refugees.
Security Council 7 March 2003
Pay attention to the last two paragraphs as I believe those statements triggered the US decision to go to war before the American people figured out they were being bamboozled.

Sounds to me like you still haven't figured it out yet.

Iraq attacked Kuwait and was threatning Saudia Arabia where I was. Our object was to drive the Iraq army out of Kuwait. There were only threats of him using chemical weapons, but non materialized. Yes those gas suites are hot.