U.S. war resister faces deportation Christmas Eve

Machjo

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And as for being a burden on Canada, not all immigrants are burdens.

Though I will say that it would show more courage for a soldier to stand up for himself against his military rather than run away to another country.

If he sencerely believes he's right, why not make a difference by standing his ground and taking his government and the military to court?
 

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And as for being a burden on Canada, not all immigrants are burdens.

Though I will say that it would show more courage for a soldier to stand up for himself against his military rather than run away to another country.

If he sencerely believes he's right, why not make a difference by standing his ground and taking his government and the military to court?


What planet are you from Machjo? Its much easier to send some squinty-eyed, non-english speaking soldier of conscience back to thier superiors than say a N. American white guy in the same boat. If the country in question does not respect international law, as the US is guilty of, then we are contributing to the problem, no matter, by bending to thier qualms.
 

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What planet are you from Machjo? Its much easier to send some squinty-eyed, non-english speaking soldier of conscience back to thier superiors than say a N. American white guy in the same boat. If the country in question does not respect international law, as the US is guilty of, then we are contributing to the problem, no matter, by bending to thier qualms.

I agee that we should not send him back if his government or military violates international laws. All I'm saying is that if he runs away, he allows his military to continue doing this. But if he stayed and faught, he'd put his military to shame and eventually improve things, though he'd have to sacrifice much to do this most likely.

Having said that, I still agree that as long as his military is violating international law, we should not send him back.
 

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I agee that we should not send him back if his government or military violates international laws. All I'm saying is that if he runs away, he allows his military to continue doing this. But if he stayed and faught, he'd put his military to shame and eventually improve things, though he'd have to sacrifice much to do this most likely.

Having said that, I still agree that as long as his military is violating international law, we should not send him back.


How in **** can you fight with and/or reason with a terrified nation? The US is bearing the fruits of its past behaviour. These kids are pawns. Lifeless entities as far as the US military is concerned. Disposable and refreshing at the same time.
 

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Jbee your hatred of the U.S. is very admirable.
Would you expect the Americans to send back deserters from the Afganistan theatre, to Canada if any were hiding there?
Or would you expect the Canadian gov't to simply forget them?
Do laws matter?
Are contracts legal ?
IS the U.N.a functioning body?
 

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If that's ture, then it's pretty sick. What has become of the USA? What about that so called honour they talk about n the US armed forces?

Perhaps we could make an exception if a person should be found to have likely been unduly influenced in such a manner?

I don't know anymore. Gitmo, illegal war, sex in Abu Ghraib, and now marketing war to children. When will the madness end?

First off Machjo...the article is from Global Research which is all Anti-American and makes no bones about it.

They do not even recruit in JROTC, you have to want to join and seek them out. You are not binded by any contract. You would be hard pressed to even find a JROTC in your area. Global Research has a tendency to stretch the truth to make a story.

Child soldiers...give me a break.
 

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If that's ture, then it's pretty sick. What has become of the USA? What about that so called honour they talk about n the US armed forces?

Perhaps we could make an exception if a person should be found to have likely been unduly influenced in such a manner?

I don't know anymore. Gitmo, illegal war, sex in Abu Ghraib, and now marketing war to children. When will the madness end?

With further research I see that Canada also has the....

Royal Canadian Army Cadets
Royal Canadian Air Cadets
Royal Canadian Sea Cadets

They are equivalent to the JROTC Programs in the USA.

So I guess Canada has "Child Soldiers" too!
 

JBeee

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First off Machjo...the article is from Global Research which is all Anti-American and makes no bones about it.

They do not even recruit in JROTC, you have to want to join and seek them out. You are not binded by any contract. You would be hard pressed to even find a JROTC in your area. Global Research has a tendency to stretch the truth to make a story.

Child soldiers...give me a break.


Tuff pill to swallow eh buds?:lol:
 

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Tuff pill to swallow eh buds?:lol:

Why? It is all BS so it isn't tough at all. What is so hypocritical of you is that Canada has the same organizations in the Royal Army Cadets, Royal Air Cadets, and Royal Sea Cadets so by your silly notion Canada is CHOCK FULL of Child Soldiers glorifying war.

How do you like them apples! :lol:
 

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Why? It is all BS so it isn't tough at all. What is so hypocritical of you is that Canada has the same organizations in the Royal Army Cadets, Royal Air Cadets, and Royal Sea Cadets so by your silly notion Canada is CHOCK FULL of Child Soldiers glorifying war.

How do you like them apples! :lol:


Our kids aren`t coerced, bribed, threatened and lied to.
 

Machjo

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With further research I see that Canada also has the....

Royal Canadian Army Cadets
Royal Canadian Air Cadets
Royal Canadian Sea Cadets

They are equivalent to the JROTC Programs in the USA.

So I guess Canada has "Child Soldiers" too!

I fully agree. My father is retired airfore. I had to go into cadets and later joined the military. My mistake was to follow my dad regardless of our radically different world views, since there is a philosophy you must accept in the military. In the end I got a medical discharge on false pretences. They wanted to get rid of me because fo a personality clash; I wanted to leave for the same reason, but we had a three yer contract. I did my job well so they had a hard time finding a reason to boot me, but one week I had sore knees so they declared it permanent knee damage (it was gone in a week!) and I was out. Never got compensation for the knees though, funny that. So much for honour and truthfulness in the military. I was working side by side with peopel who admired the Freemen, and used every racist term in the book on a regular basis. One even had neo-Nazi tattoos, told the recruiter that he didn't believe it anymore, yeah right, should have heard his comments in the infantry. Eager to kill, really. Wow.

Now I was in the infantry, the only thing available at the time, and my dad was airfore, so even he was surprised at the stuff coming out of the Canadian infantry.

I have to say that cadets ought to be banned; let kids go into scouts instead, far more level headed. And yes I agree that Canada is just as bad in trying to recruit kids. Cadets, air shows, etc.
 

Machjo

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Our kids aren`t coerced, bribed, threatened and lied to.

Maybe not the kids, but while I was expecting excessive nationalism in Canada's army, I sure wasn't expecting the level of racism and ethnicism I'd witnessed. I wasn't too impressed with the NCO collecting Nazi paraphernalia either. he insisted he wasn't Nazi but just liked historical artefacts. Fine enough, but very suspicious when one of the guys he works with has Nazi tattoos, we hear racist slurs on a daily basis, and one guy was in tehre to get free weapons training courtecy of the Canadian armed Forces so he could go train the Freemen in the US once his contract was over.

How did I get into the military. Simple. I went along with Hollywood and blablahed about wanting to serve my country, etc. and that was it. If you had Nzi tattoos, all you had to say was you'd changed, no more questions asked, they'd just say you have to cover them in public. I was not impressed. And these are Canada's peacekeepers.

From my experience in Wainright, Alberta, among the varios NATO troops in town, the Americans were usually the least savage of the bunch. The Brits were the worst, Canadians quite bad too. I never got to talk much with the Norwegians though.

So yes, I'll still criticize the US administration, and I'm sure the US military is not much better. But while Canada's administration might be far superior to the US one, the US military itself is more civilized than the Canadian one form my experience. Less racist too, in spite of its history.

So let's be critical, always a good thing, but let's be equally critical towards our own too.
 

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Honestly, I believe that the only thing that could really cure excessive nationalism in the military would be if we formed something like the following:

An international force under the UN banner and UN jurisdiction of a maximum of 100,000 well trained and equipped men.

If we did that, Canada could save much money by simply contributing to that force and gradually eliminate the Canadian military. Since such a force woudl require all members to be bilingual in some common language to communicate with one another, they'd be more likely to be open to other cultures, and would have to learn to work with people fo different nationalities, accents, relitions, etc. That would be an ideal peacekeeping force as opposed to a bunch of Canadian nationalist racist neo-Nazi rednecks (not all fo them of course, but many in the infantry that I'd seen) going out to a foreign country whose people they despise.