U.N. Employees Beheaded Over Quran Burning

[MHz]

Well really, if my point wasn't made there is little use of going on, I heard that very saying just this morning although he was not as frustrated as I am with you. To be totally true it should almost be saind with a hint of singing in it and it could even be called stereotyping but nobody (in the know) would take it as accepting a complement, lol Go back to your regular programming.


You may think this post is all about you, it's an excuse to post something relevant to the thread

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A chief investigator with the Interior Ministry, Mirza Mohammad Yarmand, claims two of the suspects were in possession of a rifle used in the attack.
Yarmand says there is evidence that they fired the weapon.
Both officials couldn't provide more details but said the suspects deny killing anyone.


Afghan officials say suspects held in UN attack - Yahoo! News

Obviously they will be found to be innocent as they would not lie over something as important as this.

 

[Corduroy]

Lets put the game in the right perspective, players from both sides have been sniped and the benches have been bombed several times by friend and foe alike. The one to tag is the one promoting the first act that defines the gathering as a riot.

Well then, wouldn't you say that the preceding violence influenced the riot more than a non-violent event like a Quran burning? Influenced, not caused. Cause and effect doesn't apply when the process relies on the free choice of another sentient human being in between.

Wouldn't it be nice for the Lawyers if sports itself could be named in a class action suit for enticing riots that supplying a medium that gets people overly excited, even though they knew riots have been numerous.

No it would it be horrible! Are you being sarcastic? Have we finally reached agreement on this spurious cause and effect argument?

 

[DaSleeper]

Well then, wouldn't you say that the preceding violence influenced the riot more than a non-violent event like a Quran burning? Influenced, not caused. Cause and effect doesn't apply when the process relies on the free choice of another sentient human being in between.



No it would it be horrible! Are you being sarcastic? Have we finally reached agreement on this spurious cause and effect argument?

Corduroy: you are wasting time trying to convince this one....when even when someone provides proof like I've seen others do, he will deflect, change the direction of the argument and never once admit being wrong.
In matters concerning Israel or the Arab world I have never since I have been here seen him post anything against Palestine or any Arab nation....always anti-Israel.

 

[MHz]

Well then, wouldn't you say that the preceding violence influenced the riot more than a non-violent event like a Quran burning? Influenced, not caused. Cause and effect doesn't apply when the process relies on the free choice of another sentient human being in between.

I doubt the Pastor has a valid reference that says a Christian can act like that. Let's stop the war and the invasion, give it 6 months and the have somebody burn another book. Course with no UN troops in the area it will be hard to judge the reaction/lack of reaction. With 4 of the dead being from Nepal does that mean 1/2 their contribution was wiped out?

No it would it be horrible! Are you being sarcastic?

About taking sports to court, yes although you shoud admit that we use it as a way to blow off steam so we don't end up overreacting to some (minor) situation.
Lawyers would drool over the prospect of such a case.

Have we finally reached agreement on this spurious cause and effect argument?

Hopefully a clear agreement.

 

[Corduroy]

I doubt the Pastor has a valid reference that says a Christian can act like that. Let's stop the war and the invasion, give it 6 months and the have somebody burn another book. Course with no UN troops in the area it will be hard to judge the reaction/lack of reaction. With 4 of the dead being from Nepal does that mean 1/2 their contribution was wiped out?

Totally irrelevant.

About taking sports to court, yes although you shoud admit that we use it as a way to blow off steam so we don't end up overreacting to some (minor) situation.

Rioting over a sports competition is overreacting to a minor situation.

Hopefully a clear agreement.

All I really care about in this debate is whether or not the book burning incited the rioting. Since you agree that it did not, then you and I are done

 

[lone wolf]

Burning the book did little. Publicizing it to the world (and the other extremist nutbars) was stupid.

 

[MHz]

Corduroy: you are wasting time trying to convince this one....when even when someone provides proof like I've seen others do, he will deflect, change the direction of the argument and never once admit being wrong.

I could argue the validity of that 'charge' but it is something for you to decide. It almost makes me feel like I'm not even in the room when you call me 'this one. (sarcasm present)

In matters concerning Israel or the Arab world I have never since I have been here seen him post anything against Palestine or any Arab nation....always anti-Israel.

The Palestinians weren't plotting to scew themselves out of the life an property for 70 years at the expense of many dead, that part was not the Jews doing, it was the Rothschild family that was behind that horrid part of the operation.
When a nation has to hire a PR firm to do their foreign affairs broadcasts they are hiding some sort of bad behavior and they know it is bad and they just don't ****ing care. Once that changes I can follow suit quite easily, the reservations I have about their ability to be a good neighbor is what. As far all the UN resolutions that have been brought up how many did Israel vote on that condemned some nation. Libya saw military action against itself within a few hours of having one passed against it, lucky for israel somebody blocked every single attempt to get her to act differently.
If burning a book is not justification for 'revenge' then is being bombed for almost a mont a reason to pick up a rock and throw it in the aggressors direction. The vid below is how Israel 'burns a book', how should the ones in the house react?

YouTube - Israel Bombs Residential Area of Gaza City - March 22, 2011 - Ken O'Keefe

 

[Corduroy]

You want to talk about inciting a riot?

How do you think the people in Afghanistan found out about it? How do you think Muslims all over the world found out about some cartoons in a widely unknown Danish newspaper? How do you think Iranians found out about Salman Rushdie's novel written in a language few of them could read and even fewer ever did?

Some Islamic demagogue went out of his way to stoke those flames.

 

[MHz]

You want to talk about inciting a riot?

How do you think the people in Afghanistan found out about it? How do you think Muslims all over the world found out about some cartoons in a widely unknown Danish newspaper? How do you think Iranians found out about Salman Rushdie's novel written in a language few of them could read and even fewer ever did?

Some Islamic demagogue went out of his way to stoke those flames.

The one I read said it was 'forwarded' by the central government itself, most people wouldn't have new access. Othe papers picked up the cartoon story and they ran with it, did they know the uproar it would cause, be worth sending some cameras to cove it so you have another story to publish.
Is your solution to make sure only a few can read? I would think flooding Muslim countries with net access would be the answer as they could see how many truly stupid people have vids on youtube. How about one where a Pastor tries burning their Holy book and the match keeps going out via mysterious methods, as in a cartoon I recently saw. What would be the use of publishing something they would find funny?

 

[Corduroy]

When will Arabs and Persians get tired of having discussions about their oppression constantly reduced to Israel and Palestine? When will the stand up and say "enough about Palestine, what about our rights, our freedom and our prosperity?" I think they've been proving recently they're about ready for it. The effectiveness of "death to Israel!" as a scapegoat is waning for their leaders and the Western left's constant need to deflect criticisms of those regimes with "what about Israel?" (read: "death to Israel!") only continues to insult the rest of the oppressed Middle East.

 

[CDNBear]

You want to talk about inciting a riot?

How do you think the people in Afghanistan found out about it? How do you think Muslims all over the world found out about some cartoons in a widely unknown Danish newspaper? How do you think Iranians found out about Salman Rushdie's novel written in a language few of them could read and even fewer ever did?

Some Islamic demagogue went out of his way to stoke those flames.

Good luck Corduroy. I used to be subtle, like you. Now I just go at these asshats like a sledge hammer.

 

[Corduroy]

The one I read said it was 'forwarded' by the central government itself, most people wouldn't have new access. Othe papers picked up the cartoon story and they ran with it, did they know the uproar it would cause, be worth sending some cameras to cove it so you have another story to publish.
Is your solution to make sure only a few can read? I would think flooding Muslim countries with net access would be the answer as they could see how many truly stupid people have vids on youtube. How about one where a Pastor tries burning their Holy book and the match keeps going out via mysterious methods, as in a cartoon I recently saw. What would be the use of publishing something they would find funny?

I'm saying that only few can read already. How can someone incite a riot when what they said is already inaccessible? It takes the religious demagogues in Afghanistan and those other countries who have an agenda to make it accessible to those people. They are the ones who incite the riot. They are literally the people standing in the street saying "look at this! death to America!"

 

[PoliticalNick]

MHz - I would expect by now you should realize that there is no possibility of holding a serious discussion with certain people in here. These few specific people frequent this forum only for the reason of argument and really have nothing constructive to add to any exchange of ideas. You will never get them to admit they may be wrong or change their views and positions on anything and if you do prove them wrong they will change to attacking your intelligance morality and integrity. Hell, they won't even admit that the good Reverend was absolutely wrong in his actions of publicly burning a religious book in an obvious attempt to inflame the current global situation and they continually refer to other human beings as 'animals'. That should give you good idea of the type of person you are dealing with. I would suggest in future not to egg them on in their spurious attemps to rule this forum and simply ignore them.

 

[CDNBear]

MHz - I would expect by now you should realize that there is no possibility of holding a serious discussion with certain people in here. These few specific people frequent this forum only for the reason of argument and really have nothing constructive to add to any exchange of ideas. You will never get them to admit they may be wrong or change their views and positions on anything and if you do prove them wrong they will change to attacking your intelligance morality and integrity. Hell, they won't even admit that the good Reverend was absolutely wrong in his actions of publicly burning a religious book in an obvious attempt to inflame the current global situation and they continually refer to other human beings as 'animals'. That should give you good idea of the type of person you are dealing with. I would suggest in future not to egg them on in their spurious attemps to rule this forum and simply ignore them.

I hope you aren't including me in that. I'd hate to be forced to show you to be a liar.

Better yet, instead of posting passive aggressive cry baby crap. Why don't you quote me and prove your case.

If you can that is.

because from where I sit, you sound like someone who had their failings force fed them, and is now in full suck mode.

 

[MHz]

I'm a little confused, we were caught up and now I'm typing more than when we were still 'engaged in debate', is this a normal tactic of yours.

When will Arabs and Persians get tired of having discussions about their oppression constantly reduced to Israel and Palestine?

When their are no more Arabs that can be called a refugee, you know they same class of people that was made into a war crime if you created any. Good reason to lock the gates in Gaza during the bombing campaigns, not real neighborly, but perfectly legal.

When will they stand up and say "enough about Palestine, what about our rights, our freedom and our prosperity?"

If Palestine was ever created those same states would see their foreign aid go up by billions (NBD as they would just up the price of crude and skim off a cents, much like kosher goods for Israel) Donations from the 11 Nations that voted 'no' to UN 181 could easily triple what Israel currently brings in and all of it would come as 'useful items' for the people of Gaza. The reason it doesn't come now is it would never get to them.

Rather than things going that way the revolts in the various Nations over there may end up being Governments that vote in the style of Constitution, if oil is involved that means nationalizing those resources and confiscation of oil companies if they refuse (compensated at fair market value) Iran did it in 1979 and despite all the retaliation by the US they are still further ahead as they would have ended up looking like Egypt or Libya.

 

[DaSleeper]

MHz - I would expect by now you should realize that there is no possibility of holding a serious discussion with certain people in here. These few specific people frequent this forum only for the reason of argument and really have nothing constructive to add to any exchange of ideas. You will never get them to admit they may be wrong or change their views and positions on anything and if you do prove them wrong they will change to attacking your intelligance morality and integrity. Hell, they won't even admit that the good Reverend was absolutely wrong in his actions of publicly burning a religious book in an obvious attempt to inflame the current global situation and they continually refer to other human beings as 'animals'. That should give you good idea of the type of person you are dealing with. I would suggest in future not to egg them on in their spurious attemps to rule this forum and simply ignore them.

I will have to refrain from reading posts in here while drinking pepsi...It realy doesn't feel good coming out your nose....
I have just witnessed someone telling the pot that the kettle is black...

 

[CDNBear]

I will have to refrain from reading posts in here while drinking pepsi...It realy doesn't feel good coming out your nose....
I have just witnessed someone telling the pot that the kettle is black...

Don't be so spurious DaS.



I think I'm on another weak, hypocritical, morally bankrupt, ideologue's iggy list...

 

[MHz]

They are literally the people standing in the street saying "look at this! death to America!"

You are aware that in the demonstrations in Egypt they had thugs sent it by the ruling government with the express intend to incite bad behavior so Government Forces had the excuse they needed to open fire on the demonstrators. It was the crowd themselves that exposed that and stopped it. That is standard policy, there and in Afghanistan. Now that it is in it's 4th day a major ruling about demonstrations may be introduced by the Government and it would not be to the benefit of the current demonstrators. Today word can get around so if it can be spotted and stopped in some areas it can be in other parts also. I assume 'the playbook' only has so many variations so what is practiced in one would be the same in the whole group. The US will fight hardest for the island Nation that is also a Naval Base.

Yes I am leading you into a larger topic.

I will have to refrain from reading posts in here while drinking pepsi...It realy doesn't feel good coming out your nose....

Try putting it in that way, just sayin ....

 

[Corduroy]

I'm a little confused, we were caught up and now I'm typing more than when we were still 'engaged in debate', is this a normal tactic of yours.


When their are no more Arabs that can be called a refugee, you know they same class of people that was made into a war crime if you created any. Good reason to lock the gates in Gaza during the bombing campaigns, not real neighborly, but perfectly legal.


If Palestine was ever created those same states would see their foreign aid go up by billions (NBD as they would just up the price of crude and skim off a cents, much like kosher goods for Israel) Donations from the 11 Nations that voted 'no' to UN 181 could easily triple what Israel currently brings in and all of it would come as 'useful items' for the people of Gaza. The reason it doesn't come now is it would never get to them.

Rather than things going that way the revolts in the various Nations over there may end up being Governments that vote in the style of Constitution, if oil is involved that means nationalizing those resources and confiscation of oil companies if they refuse (compensated at fair market value) Iran did it in 1979 and despite all the retaliation by the US they are still further ahead as they would have ended up looking like Egypt or Libya.

What the hell are you talking about? None of that has anything to do with the rights of people in non-Israeli occupied Middle Eastern territory. Why the focus on Palestine all the time? Where is your outrage over the rights of other peoples in the Middle East? Why are discussions of those rights deflected into discussions about Palestine?

 

[DaSleeper]

What the hell are you talking about? None of that has anything to do with the rights of people in non-Israeli occupied Middle Eastern territory. Why the focus on Palestine all the time? Where is your outrage over the rights of other peoples in the Middle East? Why are discussions of those rights deflected into discussions about Palestine?

You're catching on.....