Two years into the Trudeau 2.0 Minority Term, which day will Justin call the election that only he wants?

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Reporters asked Poilievre for the second day in a row to explain why his caucus voted the way it did. He doubled down, in stating his position that it was about the carbon pricing wording within the bill seeking to implement an updated version of the two-country agreement, and not the trade deal itself.

"We didn't vote against a free trade agreement, we brought in the free trade agreement. We voted against Justin Trudeau forcing a carbon tax into that pre-existing agreement," Poilievre said.

Poilievre said it was "cruel" for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to expect Ukrainians, in their post-war rebuild, to pay a carbon tax.

"Each country decides, there are many options, and many countries have different policies on how to deal with climate change… What's important for Ukraine, is this free trade agreement," she (Ukraine's Ambassador to Canada Yuliya Kovaliv) said in an interview on CTV News Channel's Power Play with Vassy Kapelos.

The issue sparked controversy (for Trudeau) earlier this week, when Conservative MPs united in voting against advancing the legislation, known as Bill C-57, the modernized Canada-Ukraine Free Trade Agreement (CUFTA).

The bill still passed on to the next stage of legislative review, with Liberal, Bloc, NDP, and Green votes, but not without Liberals expressing dismay (over a bill that passed anyway) over Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre's decision.

On Thursday, Liberal MPs continued to decry the Conservatives' decision to oppose the revised deal….on a Bill that passed anyway with Liberal/NDP supported by the Bloc & both Greens, so he’s trying to politicize a foreign policy on a passed bill as campaigning about Canadian domestic issues (or pretty much anything else) isn’t working for him.
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What products are on the table? I know fertilizers, uranium and farm implements are on the menu but what else? Shouldn't it be up to the source Provinces whether they want to tack on the tax?
 

Ron in Regina

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What products are on the table?
Trudeau’s political future?
"Each country decides, there are many options, and many countries have different policies on how to deal with climate change… What's important for Ukraine, is this free trade agreement," she (Ukraine's Ambassador to Canada Yuliya Kovaliv) said in an interview on CTV News Channel's Power Play with Vassy Kapelos.
Doesn’t sound like the carbon pricing is a priority for Ukraine, but that’s just me.

The question should be, would Poilievre vote yes for the free trade agreement without a carbon tax? Talk of a carbon whatever in Bill C-57 is just a poison pill stuffed in by the NDP/Liberals to try & come up with a “Gotcha Moment” and here we are….& is it working?
I know fertilizers, uranium and farm implements are on the menu but what else? Shouldn't it be up to the source Provinces whether they want to tack on the tax?
Honestly, I don’t know, but as I dig for that answer, I come up with Liberal Cabinet Minister “Randy Boissonnault” stating that the Conservatives in Canada are just trying to appeal to their “Far Right” voter base in Canada and the United States (?) and Russia? Really?
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Above are the “Far Right” of Canada potentially mapped out seat-wise for perspective…as opposed to the potential 20% of seat-wise that must to the political center non-fringe with acceptable views in the Liberal mindset…
"We didn't vote against a free trade agreement, we brought in the free trade agreement. We voted against Justin Trudeau forcing a carbon tax into that pre-existing agreement," Poilievre said.

Poilievre said it was "cruel" for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to expect Ukrainians, in their post-war rebuild, to pay a carbon tax.
Here’s what Ukraine’s Ambassador says:
 

Ron in Regina

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Does Trudeau know half this country was built by Ukrainians 120 years ago and that generations after are alive and voters?
Anybodies guess what Trudeau knows or not…or if that’s even relevant to the current situations being:
1) Ukraine/Russia war…
2) The existing current free-trade agreement between Canada & Ukraine that can simply be renewed if needed Im assuming without the Trudeau flourish…
3) The Current Free-Trade Agreement & the poison pill fishing expedition by the NDP/Libs of the carbon tax cheerleader clause are two separate issues, or can be…
4) trying to tie the free-trade agreement or aid to carbon tax go-team clauses is probably going to blow back into the Lib/NDP faces…& nobody will even notice…
5) The Ukraine officials, politicians, and diplomat don’t want to get involved in internal political posturing for one-upmanship in Canada…they just want the free-trade agreement and for Canadian politicians to sort their own shit out…
 

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Conservatives will force a vote on a motion that calls on the government to freeze the federal carbon tax on all forms of home heating until the next election, and then ask Canadians at the polls to decide if they want the price reapplied.

British Columbia Premier David Eby added his voice to his counterparts in Alberta and Saskatchewan in saying that the federal carve-out targeted mainly at Atlantic Canadians is unfair, and that Canadians from coast to coast are struggling with home heating bills.

Premiers Scott Moe and Danielle Smith are asking Ottawa to apply the same exemption to natural gas, used mainly by the residents in their provinces.

Even the new NDP government in Manitoba is looking for “greater fairness” from the federal government in offering the same carbon tax breaks to Manitobans as in eastern Canada, while promising to work collaboratively with its federal partners to make that happen.

Liberal MP Kody Blois, who is chair of the Atlantic caucus, said approximately one million Canadian households still use oil to heat their homes — including a quarter of them in Atlantic Canada — and they will benefit from the tax exemption too.

In fact, he said, over 250,000 households in Ontario and 400,000 households in Quebec rely on oil, mostly in northern and rural communities. While the federal price on carbon applies in Ontario, Quebec has had its own cap-and-trade system for the past decade.

….and….there’s the east/west split, or the attempt to. Smells so familiar.

The Bloc Québécois and the NDP have agreed to support exemptions for marketable natural gas and propane but did not vote in favour of exempting home heating fuels.

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh’s preferred option is to remove the GST from all home heating; Poilievre pointed out that provincial New Democrat parties across the country are “condemning” the federal government’s latest exemption on the carbon tax.

“So the question becomes, what will Jagmeet Singh do? Will Jagmeet Singh stand with provincial NDPers?” Poilievre asked. “Or will he once again sell out working-class Canadians in order to suck up to Justin Trudeau? He’ll have a chance to make that decision on Monday.”

Mr. Singh has also accused the Liberals of dividing the country with their home-heating oil exemption. But, instead of more carbon-price carveouts, his party has called on the federal government to lift the GST from all home heating.
Note that BC has its own carbonscam tax, and Eby is not offering to reduce or eliminate it. So his calling out trudOWE is mostly bullshit to get a soundbite in the news.
 

Ron in Regina

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But carbon is liberal ridings doesn't pollute like carbon in a Conservative riding, hence the rebate on the lib friendly east coast.
Haven’t you heard? The Home Heating Oil Exemption is for all of Canada, & doesn’t favour any particular Maritime markets that usually vote for Liberals federally.
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(For perspective, home heating oil usage in Saskatchewan is 0.3%)
 

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Haven’t you heard? The Home Heating Oil Exemption is for all of Canada, & doesn’t favour any particular Maritime markets that usually vote for Liberals federally.
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Almost no one uses oil here. NG and Propane. Coincidently, almost no one votes liberal either. This latest penalizing the west should lower his vote count even more.
 

Ron in Regina

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Reporters asked Poilievre for the second day in a row to explain why his caucus voted the way it did. He doubled down, in stating his position that it was about the carbon pricing wording within the bill seeking to implement an updated version of the two-country agreement, and not the trade deal itself.
Trudeau accused the Poilievre Conservatives of adopting “a right-wing, American MAGA-influenced thinking” and turning their backs on Ukraine. His evidence, the Conservatives voted against updating the Canada-Ukraine free trade deal, which the Harper government originally negotiated and signed.
"We didn't vote against a free trade agreement, we brought in the free trade agreement. We voted against Justin Trudeau forcing a carbon tax into that pre-existing agreement," Poilievre said.
The truth is the Conservatives objected to language in the trade deal, inserted late by the Liberals, that they feel enshrines Canada’s carbon tax in an international treaty. That and language around a carbon tax that isn’t in our free trade deals with the United States, Europe or the Pacific Rim but that the Liberals insisted putting into a trade deal with a country we don’t do much trade with.
Poilievre said it was "cruel" for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to expect Ukrainians, in their post-war rebuild, to pay a carbon tax.
Then, they (NDP/Liberals) ran to the microphones to say any opposition is proof the Conservative don’t support Ukraine, while darkly hinting at CPC support for Trump and even Putin. It’s ridiculous, it’s desperate, but desperation is all they have left.
"Each country decides, there are many options, and many countries have different policies on how to deal with climate change… What's important for Ukraine, is this free trade agreement," she (Ukraine's Ambassador to Canada Yuliya Kovaliv) said in an interview on CTV News Channel's Power Play with Vassy Kapelos.
The issue sparked controversy (for Trudeau) earlier this week, when Conservative MPs united in voting against advancing the legislation, known as Bill C-57, the modernized Canada-Ukraine Free Trade Agreement (CUFTA).

The bill still passed on to the next stage of legislative review, with Liberal, Bloc, NDP, and Green votes, but not without Liberals expressing dismay (over a bill that passed anyway) over Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre's decision.

On Thursday, Liberal MPs continued to decry the Conservatives' decision to oppose the revised deal….on a Bill that passed anyway with Liberal/NDP supported by the Bloc & both Greens, so he’s trying to politicize a foreign policy on a passed bill as campaigning about Canadian domestic issues (or pretty much anything else) isn’t working for him.
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(Jagmeet Singh’s Cadillac Pension still doesn’t come to fruition until the Spring of 2025)
 
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Ron in Regina

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(Jagmeet Singh’s Cadillac Pension still doesn’t come to fruition until the Spring of 2025)
If the federal NDP/Liberals need more time to make “good on their commitment” to pass pharmacare legislation this year, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh will be expecting "more results," in exchange…etc…because Jagmeet Singh’s Cadillac Pension still doesn’t come to fruition until the Spring of 2025.
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Amid a looming deadline and speculation over what would happen to the Liberal-NDP deal if Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government cannot keep their promise, on Monday the federal NDP said it doesn't plan to ease off their pressure, while signalling they are considering what comes next if no bill materializes in 2023…&…
…Jagmeet Singh’s Cadillac Pension still doesn’t come to fruition until the Spring of 2025.
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Ron in Regina

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It would be a mistake for the Conservatives to think they have the next election is all sewn up. The Trudeau Liberals, however clumsily, are starting to fight back. They’ve also just hired a marketing expert in Max Valiquette, to continue that fight.
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Counting the Liberals out now would be a mistake, but things don’t look good for the party that likes to think of itself as the natural governing party of Canada. If voters had their say right now, it’s clear that Justin Trudeau and his Liberal team would be sent packing…so that’s not going to happen anytime soon.
For the last week the Trudeau Liberals have been trying to claim that Pierre Poilievre and the Conservatives don’t support Ukraine in its fight against Russia. Yet on Wednesday, Justin Trudeau and his Liberal Party voted against a motion by the Conservatives to send more weapons and munitions to Ukraine.

What’s going on here?

It’s nothing but pure politics from both sides but in truth, the Liberals are being more craven on this matter. They have tried to claim that the Poilievre Conservatives are following that strain of American Republicans who oppose the Biden administration’s aid to Ukraine, and they’ve tried to link Poilievre to Donald Trump.
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Neither of those things would be popular with Canadian voters if true, but neither claim is true. What is true is that in the 2016 Census, about 1.36 million people, or close to 4% of the Canadian population, reported at least one of their ethnic origins as Ukrainian.

The basis for the claim by Trudeau that the Conservatives don’t support Ukraine is that they voted against an update to the existing Canada-Ukraine Free Trade Agreement negotiated and signed by the Harper government in which Poilievre served as a cabinet minister.
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The update though, contains language, specifically Sections 13.4 and 13.6 of the agreement, that the Conservatives believe could tie the hands of a future Conservative government to axe the carbon tax. This isn’t, as the lazy Ottawa press gallery has been repeating, not reporting, about forcing a carbon tax on Ukraine when in fact they’ve had one for years (as that’s a prerequisite for any attempt to try to going the EU).

It’s easier for the Ottawa gallery to repeat Liberal talking points and smear Poilievre and the Conservatives than to do some reading though.
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So, the Conservatives voted against the updated free trade deal saying they support free trade with Ukraine but object to some of the new language (…again, to this agreement that was originally negotiated by the Conservatives under Steven Harper). That move has seen Justin Trudeau spend the last week attack the Conservatives as abandoning Ukraine, including in their fight against Putin’s Russia.
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To say that is a stretch would be an understatement. That he would stoop this low shows how truly desperate the Trudeau Liberals have become.
 

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This is why turdOWE had to buy off the corrupt lamestream media. An independent. A truly independent media, not surviving on government handouts would report the facts, not press releases from their benefactor. Instead, we have a media faithfully following the party line and wondering why no one trusts them.
 

Ron in Regina

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This is why turdOWE had to buy off the corrupt lamestream media. An independent. A truly independent media, not surviving on government handouts would report the facts, not press releases from their benefactor. Instead, we have a media faithfully following the party line and wondering why no one trusts them.
Because it’s 2015-ish?
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With luck, the immediate dismantling of CBC. And of course charges against any journalists and all management for any false stories about the Conservatives and PPC during the election period.
 
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Ron in Regina

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With luck, the immediate dismantling of CBC. And of course charges against any journalists and all management for any false stories about the Conservatives and PPC during the election period.
How about just a level playing field with the other Canadian media outlets that aren’t receiving the $1B+Annually of taxpayer dollars like the CBC does, on top of the lions share of other Gov’t media handouts since 2015, that are forced to compete with the CBC for the same advertising revenue?

If that was to happen, then the CBC along with the CRTC and the Federal Gov’t can prioritize what services the CBC needs to provide and which ones it doesn’t. Sort of a “reset” and then allocate any future funds accordingly?
 
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Ron in Regina

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One simple solution is to ban advertising on the CBC. No more competition for advertising revenue.

I still prefer the defunding approach of the CBC and all media.
Sorta needs to be an either/or situation though. Defund or ban advertising on the CBC, but not both. CBC would have to reassess its business model…& that might include lawsuits against federal political parties during elections to try to influence the outcome nationally…because what goes around comes around eventually.
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A lawsuit launched by the CBC against the Conservative Party of Canada in the final days of the 2019 federal election accusing the party of copyright infringement for using the broadcaster's footage in an online ad and tweets has been dismissed by a federal court.
 

Ron in Regina

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This is interesting, by Nanos, saying the NDP & Liberals are tied…& between the two of them combined they’re a higher %’age than the conservatives…
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…& 338 says this which is close…
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…But Jagmeet Singh’s pension doesn’t come to fruition until the Spring of 2025…
…so the non-coalition coalition that’s definitely not a coalition-type-coalition will probably remain a non-coalition-coalition for the foreseeable future regardless of the dental or pharmaceutical or whatever noise the NDP is making to justify his continued coalition-ish non-coalition-type whatever.
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Trudeau’s political future?

Doesn’t sound like the carbon pricing is a priority for Ukraine, but that’s just me.

The question should be, would Poilievre vote yes for the free trade agreement without a carbon tax? Talk of a carbon whatever in Bill C-57 is just a poison pill stuffed in by the NDP/Liberals to try & come up with a “Gotcha Moment” and here we are….& is it working?

Honestly, I don’t know, but as I dig for that answer, I come up with Liberal Cabinet Minister “Randy Boissonnault” stating that the Conservatives in Canada are just trying to appeal to their “Far Right” voter base in Canada and the United States (?) and Russia? Really?
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Above are the “Far Right” of Canada potentially mapped out seat-wise for perspective…as opposed to the potential 20% of seat-wise that must to the political center non-fringe with acceptable views in the Liberal mindset…

Here’s what Ukraine’s Ambassador says:
Bottom line is that they're still in negotiations!