Two years into the Trudeau 2.0 Minority Term, which day will Justin call the election that only he wants?

Ron in Regina

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Shit, check this out, probably not before October 2025, but….

LIBERALS 'WELCOME' CLIMATE FIGHT

Asked on his way in to a Liberal caucus meeting if he wants to fight the next election on his pollution pricing program, Trudeau said he thinks Canadians are "deeply concerned about the need to continue to fight climate change."

The prime minister also noted the Liberal plan includes rebates that put more money back into the pockets of most Canadians than the carbon tax collects, and has expressed confidence that the easing off for some may actually help the country reach its climate targets by increasing the overall buy-in for climate action.

"Home heating oil is more expensive than other forms of heat, and home heating oil is disproportionately relied upon by lower-income Canadians in rural areas across the country who need more support. That's what we're doing, and that is absolutely something I am going to continue to stand for unequivocally, while Mr. Poilievre has no plan to fight climate change and therefore no plan for the economy," Trudeau said. Etc…

This is his way to try and divide east & west again. Huh…. Go figure.
 
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Conservatives will force a vote on a motion that calls on the government to freeze the federal carbon tax on all forms of home heating until the next election, and then ask Canadians at the polls to decide if they want the price reapplied.

British Columbia Premier David Eby added his voice to his counterparts in Alberta and Saskatchewan in saying that the federal carve-out targeted mainly at Atlantic Canadians is unfair, and that Canadians from coast to coast are struggling with home heating bills.

Premiers Scott Moe and Danielle Smith are asking Ottawa to apply the same exemption to natural gas, used mainly by the residents in their provinces.

Even the new NDP government in Manitoba is looking for “greater fairness” from the federal government in offering the same carbon tax breaks to Manitobans as in eastern Canada, while promising to work collaboratively with its federal partners to make that happen.

Liberal MP Kody Blois, who is chair of the Atlantic caucus, said approximately one million Canadian households still use oil to heat their homes — including a quarter of them in Atlantic Canada — and they will benefit from the tax exemption too.

In fact, he said, over 250,000 households in Ontario and 400,000 households in Quebec rely on oil, mostly in northern and rural communities. While the federal price on carbon applies in Ontario, Quebec has had its own cap-and-trade system for the past decade.

….and….there’s the east/west split, or the attempt to. Smells so familiar.

The Bloc Québécois and the NDP have agreed to support exemptions for marketable natural gas and propane but did not vote in favour of exempting home heating fuels.

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh’s preferred option is to remove the GST from all home heating; Poilievre pointed out that provincial New Democrat parties across the country are “condemning” the federal government’s latest exemption on the carbon tax.

“So the question becomes, what will Jagmeet Singh do? Will Jagmeet Singh stand with provincial NDPers?” Poilievre asked. “Or will he once again sell out working-class Canadians in order to suck up to Justin Trudeau? He’ll have a chance to make that decision on Monday.”

Mr. Singh has also accused the Liberals of dividing the country with their home-heating oil exemption. But, instead of more carbon-price carveouts, his party has called on the federal government to lift the GST from all home heating.
 

Ron in Regina

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Whoa. Democratic referendum. What a concept!
Crazy but interesting. Despite senior officials vowing no more carve-outs of Canada’s carbon tax policy, Canada’s agricultural sector is urging the government to cut them a break.

And with a critical private member’s bill on the verge of either becoming law or entering Parliamentary purgatory, the country’s food producers say they’re long overdue for a little relief.

Last week, Ottawa announced home heating oil was carbon tax exempt for three years — a move clearly meant to bolster cratering Atlantic Canada poll numbers, but one experts say demonstrates how malleable the federal government’s climate policies really are.

Among those seeking similar relief are Canada’s farmers, who are pinning their hopes on the Senate’s third reading of bill C-234 — a private member’s bill tabled by Conservative MP Ben Lobb that would exempt farms from paying carbon tax on propane and natural gas.

But amendments introduced during Senate committee neutered much of the bill, and some are accusing the Trudeau Liberals of either whipping the committee to match government policy, or plotting to send it back to the House of Commons where it could be lost forever.

The amended bill would only exempt grain dryers from carbon taxes, leaving out barns, livestock buildings and greenhouses.

“For farmers, there are no viable alternatives except for natural gas and propane for food production and growing food, whether that’s drying your grain or cooling your barn,” he said.

“Heat pumps in agriculture don’t work up to a certain ambient temperature, and it goes far below that in the prairies — you have to keep livestock barns at a static temperature.”
With the amended bill now back in the Senate, it’s up to Senators to either accept the amended bill or reject the report and send the original bill to third reading.

If the senate votes in favour of the amended bill, said Sen. David Wells, it would be sent back to the House for approval, where it would likely never be seen again.

“Because the government controls the pace and placement of bills, it would just die a slow, lonely death — especially after the steps we saw late last week in carving out exemptions on home heating fuel,” he said.

Wells recalled speaking to a chicken farmer who is expecting to pay $500,000 in carbon taxes this year.

“That’s just money out the door,” Wells said.

When asked what we would have otherwise done with that money, the farmer told Wells it would have been invested back into his operation.

“He said if we make $500,000 in one year, that’s probably a good year — but now all of the sudden that’s a break-even, or a loss year.”

Lobb, who tabled the bill in the House, described forcing undue financial burdens on Canada’s food producers as the “genesis” of inflation.
 
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Well, this is interesting, in a completely “not hearing or responding to the questions asked” sorta thing….with respect to a vote becoming a Confidence Vote over this goat rodeo:
“Giving?”…””Giving Canadians Free Heat Pumps?”…this is disingenuously interesting.
I’m more than curious to see what’s going to happen in Parliament on Monday, a few days away from now…eyes on Jagmeet, and whether Justin Trudeau will allow a free vote…or whip his party…
 

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Huh, the NDP might actually play the role of opposition to the government for the benefit of Canadians on Monday. That’ll be interesting and fresh…as long as they realize that they’re the opposition to the government and not the opposition to the other opposition parties on behalf of the government.

New Democrats will be supporting Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre’s motion to extend the temporary pause on the federal price on carbon to all forms of home heating, NDP House leader Peter Julian said Thursday.

“Given the panicked reaction from the Liberals, seemingly tied to their polling standing in Atlantic Canada, given that the Conservatives for once have actually offered a motion that doesn’t deny climate change, we will be supporting that motion,” said Julian….so half way to being opposition to the current government….

Poilievre’s motion reads as follows: “That, given that the government has announced a “temporary, three-year pause” to the federal carbon tax on home heating oil, the House call on the government to extend that pause to all forms of home heating.”

The Conservatives have been pushing the NDP to reveal their intentions for two days, arguing that many of their MPs represent remote communities who also have hefty home heating bills.

“The NDP leader says he disagrees with the dual class citizenship approach of the prime minister on the carbon tax. I’m giving him a chance to prove it,” said Poilievre while speaking on his motion in a speech in the House of Commons on Thursday.

It seems unlikely that the Bloc Quebecois will be voting for the Conservative motion, since it does not apply to Quebec. As for the Liberals, it was still unclear on Thursday if anyone would be voting against their own party.
 

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Huh, the NDP might actually play the role of opposition to the government for the benefit of Canadians on Monday. That’ll be interesting and fresh…as long as they realize that they’re the opposition to the government and not the opposition to the other opposition parties on behalf of the government.

New Democrats will be supporting Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre’s motion to extend the temporary pause on the federal price on carbon to all forms of home heating, NDP House leader Peter Julian said Thursday.

“Given the panicked reaction from the Liberals, seemingly tied to their polling standing in Atlantic Canada, given that the Conservatives for once have actually offered a motion that doesn’t deny climate change, we will be supporting that motion,” said Julian….so half way to being opposition to the current government….

Poilievre’s motion reads as follows: “That, given that the government has announced a “temporary, three-year pause” to the federal carbon tax on home heating oil, the House call on the government to extend that pause to all forms of home heating.”

The Conservatives have been pushing the NDP to reveal their intentions for two days, arguing that many of their MPs represent remote communities who also have hefty home heating bills.

“The NDP leader says he disagrees with the dual class citizenship approach of the prime minister on the carbon tax. I’m giving him a chance to prove it,” said Poilievre while speaking on his motion in a speech in the House of Commons on Thursday.

It seems unlikely that the Bloc Quebecois will be voting for the Conservative motion, since it does not apply to Quebec. As for the Liberals, it was still unclear on Thursday if anyone would be voting against their own party.
Problem....dropping the tax on heating will drop the amount of rebate 15 months from now.

Yes, rebates are 15 months behind. January will be the last payment from. 2021.
 
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Here's a crazy-ass suggestion. . . maybe y'all could have it in October of 2025?
The next federal election isn’t scheduled for almost two years, but the governing Liberals are already setting up their national campaign team.
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The party announced Wednesday that Montreal MP — and tourism minister — Soraya Martinez Ferrada and Winnipeg MP Terry Duguid will co-chair its campaign machine for the next general election.
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In a statement accompanying the announcement, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre of “importing far-right American-style politics” to Canada.
1699575860331.jpegHe praised Martinez Ferrada and Duguid, and said the Liberal campaign for “whenever the next election arrives” will be “focused on making life more affordable, fighting climate change, keeping our communities safe, and growing our economy and the middle class.” Etc…that is all.
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The next federal election isn’t scheduled for almost two years, but the governing Liberals are already setting up their national campaign team.
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The party announced Wednesday that Montreal MP — and tourism minister — Soraya Martinez Ferrada and Winnipeg MP Terry Duguid will co-chair its campaign machine for the next general election.
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In a statement accompanying the announcement, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre of “importing far-right American-style politics” to Canada.
View attachment 19957He praised Martinez Ferrada and Duguid, and said the Liberal campaign for “whenever the next election arrives” will be “focused on making life more affordable, fighting climate change, keeping our communities safe, and growing our economy and the middle class.” Etc…that is all.
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I'm scheduled to take a dump at 0530. If I'm up at 0400 it's 0415.

Why? Why delay a dump just to meet schedule?
 
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Funny (not) how Eby is clambering for 💩 OWE to eliminate the carbon scam tax on all heating fuels, but hasn’t done anything about the problem in BC, where we have a provincial carbon scam tax.
 
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Funny (not) how Eby is clambering for 💩 OWE to eliminate the carbon scam tax on all heating fuels, but hasn’t done anything about the problem in BC, where we have a provincial carbon scam tax.
You're on your own on that one which is why I found it odd the BC NDP are yapping about the heating oil scheme. They can cut their own taxes.
 

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You're on your own on that one which is why I found it odd the BC NDP are yapping about the heating oil scheme. They can cut their own taxes.
But if they do, & it’s not up to the evolving “Trudeau Standards” (like with Manitoba a while back), would the federal government throw their own tax on top of the BC tax, or instead of the B.C tax, etc….???
 

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But if they do, & it’s not up to the evolving “Trudeau Standards” (like with Manitoba a while back), would the federal government throw their own tax on top of the BC tax, or instead of the B.C tax, etc….???
Of course they would. It's a fair and equitable tax scam where we pay by the tonne. A tonne isn't lighter in BC than it is on PEI.
 

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused the Conservatives of using a “frankly absurd excuse” to vote against the updated Canada-Ukraine free trade agreement, and said that “all Canadians should be concerned” about the Opposition turning its back to Ukraine.

Conservatives have dismissed any suggestions that they do not support Ukraine’s fight against Russia or that they do not support free trade, after they voted against C-57, a bill that would implement a revised trade deal between Canada and Ukraine, earlier this week.

They argued that they could not support the text of the deal because it commits both countries to “promote carbon pricing,” and said that a future Conservative government would amend the trade deal to remove any reference to a policy that they staunchly oppose.

“Ukraine does not need this woke agenda,” said Conservative MP Kevin Waugh on Friday. Jesus Christ already…Trudeau isn’t getting any traction in Canada pushing his fable that Poilievre is a Bogeyman, so he’s trying to do it in Europe? Do ya’ think the Europeans care about Canada’s internal political slapfests? Justin….the Europeans can’t vote in Canadian federal elections…

The European leaders standing next to Trudeau chose to remain diplomatic in their comments when asked about Canada’s Conservatives voting against the trade deal.

“From the European perspective, we are determined to support Ukraine and not use arguments that could resemble excuses to take a step back in our support to Ukraine,” said Michel in French, who made it clear in his preamble he did not want to comment on internal politics.
 
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60% of Ukrainian electricity is nuclear. They already beat us in green energy.
With only one “Chernobyl-Like Disaster” that we know about. The Ukraine also has a carbon credit scheme since 2011 (I think) because without one you can’t even try to enter the EU.
They (Conservative Canadian MP’s) argued that they could not support the text of the deal because it commits both countries to “promote carbon pricing,” and said that a future Conservative government would amend the trade deal to remove any reference to a policy that they staunchly oppose.

“Ukraine does not need this woke agenda,” said Conservative MP Kevin Waugh on Friday.
Why does Bill C-57 have to include a carbon pricing scheme? Short answer I believe is….it doesn’t. Is the Ukraine pushing for this to be included in order to receive more foreign aid and a free trade agreement with Canada? I’m assuming it’s not their priority during a war with Russia but that’s just an assumption.
 

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With only one “Chernobyl-Like Disaster” that we know about. The Ukraine also has a carbon credit scheme since 2011 (I think) because without one you can’t even try to enter the EU.

Why does Bill C-57 have to include a carbon pricing scheme? Short answer I believe is….it doesn’t. Is the Ukraine pushing for this to be included in order to receive more foreign aid and a free trade agreement with Canada? I’m assuming it’s not their priority but that’s just an assumption.
Not really a carbon credit scheme but refitting from coal to NG on the 25% hydrocarbon generation....Russia bombed the snot out of thermal plants so real stats aren't available.

PS it's Ukraine not "the Ukraine", "The Ukraine" was Soviet and now an insult to injury.
 

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Why does Bill C-57 have to include a carbon pricing scheme? Short answer I believe is….it doesn’t. Is the Ukraine pushing for this to be included in order to receive more foreign aid and a free trade agreement with Canada? I’m assuming it’s not their priority during a war with Russia but that’s just an assumption.
Reporters asked Poilievre for the second day in a row to explain why his caucus voted the way it did. He doubled down, in stating his position that it was about the carbon pricing wording within the bill seeking to implement an updated version of the two-country agreement, and not the trade deal itself.

"We didn't vote against a free trade agreement, we brought in the free trade agreement. We voted against Justin Trudeau forcing a carbon tax into that pre-existing agreement," Poilievre said.

Poilievre said it was "cruel" for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to expect Ukrainians, in their post-war rebuild, to pay a carbon tax.
Not really a carbon credit scheme but refitting from coal to NG on the 25% hydrocarbon generation....Russia bombed the snot out of thermal plants so real stats aren't available.

PS it's Ukraine not "the Ukraine", "The Ukraine" was Soviet and now an insult to injury.
"Each country decides, there are many options, and many countries have different policies on how to deal with climate change… What's important for Ukraine, is this free trade agreement," she (Ukraine's Ambassador to Canada Yuliya Kovaliv) said in an interview on CTV News Channel's Power Play with Vassy Kapelos.

The issue sparked controversy (for Trudeau) earlier this week, when Conservative MPs united in voting against advancing the legislation, known as Bill C-57, the modernized Canada-Ukraine Free Trade Agreement (CUFTA).

The bill still passed on to the next stage of legislative review, with Liberal, Bloc, NDP, and Green votes, but not without Liberals expressing dismay (over a bill that passed anyway) over Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre's decision.

On Thursday, Liberal MPs continued to decry the Conservatives' decision to oppose the revised deal….on a Bill that passed anyway with Liberal/NDP supported by the Bloc & both Greens, so he’s trying to politicize a foreign policy on a passed bill as campaigning about Canadian domestic issues (or pretty much anything else) isn’t working for him.
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