Trump's AMERICA : 2018 (& world reaction )

Cliffy

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Perhaps it might be time to examine WHY these people want t o leave their countries of origin.Holding the countries that they are leaving in masses accountable might be an angle worth looking at.There HAVE to be options that have not been considered yet
Plus all the wars and political unrest the US has fomented and continues with in Venezuela and other places. Led to mass migrations here, the gangs like MS 13 were created here in Salvadorean neighborhoods and later jails, these gangs started for self defense as they were being attacked in US by other groups, and they became bloody violent. They were later deported back to El Salvador where wore torn countries became gang havens. Throughout Central America..those gangs starting out from poverty and wealthy american consumerism of drugs that could be exported for money (not much of drug problems down there, just poverty, the drug addicts are in the US) and most of the victims fleeing gang violence, poverty, torture, rape, death there (US seeded) now facing torture, kidnapping when they ask for asylum here in US. - Sunita Chethik
Sunita knows, she's been there. I saw it in Guatemala, the US backed government murdering Mayans for the fun of it and to give their land to the United Fruit Company. Met a guy in Costa Rica from Boston who traveled extensively in El Salvador and Nicaragua and the horror stories about the US backed governments, The School of the Americas death squad training camps in the US. All the horror in Central and South America is the result of US foreign policy.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Plus all the wars and political unrest the US has fomented and continues with in Venezuela and other places. Led to mass migrations here, the gangs like MS 13 were created here in Salvadorean neighborhoods and later jails, these gangs started for self defense as they were being attacked in US by other groups, and they became bloody violent. They were later deported back to El Salvador where wore torn countries became gang havens. Throughout Central America..those gangs starting out from poverty and wealthy american consumerism of drugs that could be exported for money (not much of drug problems down there, just poverty, the drug addicts are in the US) and most of the victims fleeing gang violence, poverty, torture, rape, death there (US seeded) now facing torture, kidnapping when they ask for asylum here in US. - Sunita Chethik
Sunita knows, she's been there. I saw it in Guatemala, the US backed government murdering Mayans for the fun of it and to give their land to the United Fruit Company. Met a guy in Costa Rica from Boston who traveled extensively in El Salvador and Nicaragua and the horror stories about the US backed governments, The School of the Americas death squad training camps in the US. All the horror in Central and South America is the result of US foreign policy.
Yes....some historical info like that explains the dynamic more comprehensively.

One could say that the US owes these immigrants for creating the situation hey are fleeing from.

A historical perspective is very valuable in this case. It intensifies the INHUMANITY of what the Trumppians are doing even more.

It also fits the AMERICA FIRST mentality..........which is the e most self scented, arrogant, selfish American slogan ever to be verbalized out loud. In fact it is shameful. and against democratic principles. The propaganda of america being the best country etc etc...is eroding quickly as the REAL America emerges. unsanitized.
 

Cliffy

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Yes....some historical info like that explains the dynamic more comprehensively.

One could say that the US owes these immigrants for creating the situation hey are fleeing from.

A historical perspective is very valuable in this case. It intensifies the INHUMANITY of what the Trumppians are doing even more.

It also fits the AMERICA FIRST mentality..........which is the e most self scented, arrogant, selfish American slogan ever to be verbalized out loud. In fact it is shameful. and against democratic principles. The propaganda of america being the best country etc etc...is eroding quickly as the REAL America emerges. unsanitized.
The US imported many high ranking SS officers after WW11 and started the CIA with them. And they imported many of Goebbels's propaganda officers and with their help developed one of the best and most efficient propaganda machines to ever be let loose on an unsuspecting world. Anything, and I mean anything, that comes out of the US government and their media patsies is unadulterated bullshit, it doesn't matter if they have a Dem or Repub government. The Dumpster is just another incarnation of Goebbels. If his lips are moving, he is lying.
 

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The US imported many high ranking SS officers after WW11 and started the CIA with them. And they imported many of Goebbels's propaganda officers and with their help developed one of the best and most efficient propaganda machines to ever be let loose on an unsuspecting world.
Utter bullshit.
 

taxslave

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Majik mushrooms must be out early unless this year.

What's your view on a single mother dragging her preteen children 1000's of miles across countries that have refugee programs to try to sneak into a country in hopes of not being detected until she can drop an anchor baby for life? Isn't she cruel and inhumane to her children? Isn't the U.S. housing, feeding, providing education to the children? How have the Coyotes/smugglers or will treat the same children instead?


If it was up to me the law would be changed so a baby born here to illegal immigrants would have exactly the same status as the parent. We can only absorbed so many immigrants a year and Everytime a question jumper gets to stay someone that went through the legal process gets left behind.
 

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It didn't stop them. The Monguls eventually crossed the wall, permanently took over China and started the Manchu dynasties that went right up to the WWII Japanese invasion.

What a waste of money and effort, eh?
So once the border jumpers take over America , do you think they will stop there , George ?
 

Ocean Breeze

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The US imported many high ranking SS officers after WW11 and started the CIA with them. And they imported many of Goebbels's propaganda officers and with their help developed one of the best and most efficient propaganda machines to ever be let loose on an unsuspecting world. Anything, and I mean anything, that comes out of the US government and their media patsies is unadulterated bullshit, it doesn't matter if they have a Dem or Repub government. The Dumpster is just another incarnation of Goebbels. If his lips are moving, he is lying.
and this propaganda is now fully incorporated in the US psychological populace DNA..Making historical and recent facts and evidence "suspect" Enter the FAKE NEWS " slogan..
 

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Perhaps it might be time to examine WHY these people want t o leave their countries of origin.Holding the countries that they are leaving in masses accountable might be an angle worth looking at.There HAVE to be options that have not been considered yet

"wall building" is a very simple minded options.........as history has shown. And not effective on the long term ......(or short tun ) It might be expedient , in the short term.....but what about the country across that border .....and all the productive citizens the The wall might screen the so called undesirables........but it also screens the entire population of Mexico as well. What about Americans and CDNS that want to travel to Mexico for business and action?? Are they to be subjected to gestapo like tactics??
Yet Guatemalaians are willing to risk death to live in America .
 

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Plus all the wars and political unrest the US has fomented and continues with in Venezuela and other places. Led to mass migrations here, the gangs like MS 13 were created here in Salvadorean neighborhoods and later jails, these gangs started for self defense as they were being attacked in US by other groups, and they became bloody violent. They were later deported back to El Salvador where wore torn countries became gang havens. Throughout Central America..those gangs starting out from poverty and wealthy american consumerism of drugs that could be exported for money (not much of drug problems down there, just poverty, the drug addicts are in the US) and most of the victims fleeing gang violence, poverty, torture, rape, death there (US seeded) now facing torture, kidnapping when they ask for asylum here in US. - Sunita Chethik
Sunita knows, she's been there. I saw it in Guatemala, the US backed government murdering Mayans for the fun of it and to give their land to the United Fruit Company. Met a guy in Costa Rica from Boston who traveled extensively in El Salvador and Nicaragua and the horror stories about the US backed governments, The School of the Americas death squad training camps in the US. All the horror in Central and South America is the result of US foreign policy.
Yet Nicaraguans are willing to risk death to get to America .
 

taxslave

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Wally ,like the Trump regime seems to o consider those fleeing from horrific conditions and entering the US our of despair......as criminals. So immediately taking the kids away is fine with him. These kids s can then be used to "negotiate" with the parents.....Actually that rule could fall under crimes against humanity. But that does no t bother them.

TRy thinking before you post. These people enter the country illegally. That makes them criminals.
 

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Yes....some historical info like that explains the dynamic more comprehensively.

One could say that the US owes these immigrants for creating the situation hey are fleeing from.

A historical perspective is very valuable in this case. It intensifies the INHUMANITY of what the Trumppians are doing even more.

It also fits the AMERICA FIRST mentality..........which is the e most self scented, arrogant, selfish American slogan ever to be verbalized out loud. In fact it is shameful. and against democratic principles. The propaganda of america being the best country etc etc...is eroding quickly as the REAL America emerges. unsanitized.
Yet Cubans are willing to risk death to get to America .
 

pgs

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The US imported many high ranking SS officers after WW11 and started the CIA with them. And they imported many of Goebbels's propaganda officers and with their help developed one of the best and most efficient propaganda machines to ever be let loose on an unsuspecting world. Anything, and I mean anything, that comes out of the US government and their media patsies is unadulterated bullshit, it doesn't matter if they have a Dem or Repub government. The Dumpster is just another incarnation of Goebbels. If his lips are moving, he is lying.
Yet Vietnamese boat people were willing to risk death to come to America .
 

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Yet Vietnamese boat people were willing to risk death to come to America .

The Vietnamese Boat People were willing to risk death to get out of Vietnam.

"The boat people's first destinations were the Southeast Asian countries of British Hong Kong, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand. External tensions stemming from Vietnam's dispute with Cambodia and China in 1978 and 1979 caused an exodus of the majority of the Hoa people, of whom more than 170,000 fled overland into the province of Guangxi, China, from the North; the remainder fled by boat from the South. This new influx brought the number of refugees in China to around 200,000.[1] In addition, the Vietnamese military also began expelling ethnic Hoa from Vietnam-occupied Kampuchea, leading to over 43,000 refugees of mostly Hoa descent fleeing overland to Thailand.[2] By 1980, the refugee population in China reached 260,000,[3] In 2013, Hoa people made up 11.5 percent of the Vietnamese-American population[4]"

Lots went to Australia. Lots went to Canada. It appears it is a conceit to think that everyone wants to go to America.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Lots went to Australia. Lots went to Canada. It appears it is a conceit to think that everyone wants to go to America.

indeed. But FACTS can't always stand up against a powerful propaganda that has become a belief system

We are seeing that today in real time. FACTS and EVIDENCE are 'fake news"...... Trump supported media is what the populace believes.and accepts at face value. Fox "news" is Trump's personal media voice.

Coming to America . Still 250 years later .
Sounds like a slogan ;-)

Breaking the law is breaking the law isn't it?
So removing the kids from their parents is PUNISHMENT ?? What about those that come with no kids?? How are THEY punished. Why have laws when such barbaric punishment is being meted out at point of entry?? Guilty until proven innocent??

The law is being manipulated to fit political agenda Is it "legal" to used kids as a bargaining tool to get the wall that Trump is obsessing about .......a very simplistic approach to the problem. Perhaps the human rights folks should have a say in all this.

Holding kids in wire cages is inhumane to the nth degree. Or is that LEGAL in a trumpian mind??
 
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