Trudeau 'welcomes' ethics probe of alleged PMO interference in SNC-Lavalin case
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Five weeks ago, Justin Trudeau prorogued Parliament in a blatant attempt to circumvent scrutiny and accountability. The WE scandal was dominating the headlines, and his hand-picked finance minister had just resigned, with parliamentary committees hot on the trail of one of the biggest scandals in Canadian history. Despite the scrutiny, Trudeau made no declaration of transparency or of reinstating the confidence of the people. http://nationalpost.com/opinion/leslyn-lewis-the-liberals-try-to-pull-a-bait-and-switch
Shockingly, with five weeks to prepare, both the speech from the throne and his entirely unnecessary national address showed no interest in changing course. Instead of taking bold steps to address the pandemic and rebuild our economy by providing solutions to the economic and social problems our country faces, we were given a laundry list of resurrected virtue-signalling platitudes. Instead of a path back to economic stability, we were given a plan that promised free money to everyone who would lay down their liberties in exchange for the paternalistic protection of Trudeau.
The speech was devoid of specifics and barely went beyond recapping the 2016 budget; it certainly did not substantiate the shutting down of Parliament. The Governor General’s office was used to circumvent governmental accountability, cancelling the committees working to provide taxpayers with answers about the allocation of millions of tax dollars and conflicts involving Trudeau’s friends and family members.
Parliament was prorogued to deny Canadians the right to know what happened in the WE scandal. During the period that the House of Commons was shut down, WE executives said they would be closing their Canadian operations and selling their Canadian assets. Canadians are still waiting for full answers as to what happened. COVID-19 had already been used as an excuse to shut down Parliament, at a time when we needed good, responsible governance more than ever. The throne speech was a bait-and-switch attempt to take our minds off of the ineptness of the current government and to focus attention on the goodies that Trudeau will provide, conveniently right before the next election is called.
The speech was about Trudeau’s priorities, not presenting solutions to such issues as strengthening our food supply chains, agriculture, national unity, helping Canadians make ends meet after mortgage relief expires in January, creating jobs in the energy sector, real child-care assistance for parents wanting to go back to work, helping more small businesses survive, or addressing the inability of businesses to find workers due to the disincentive that CERB is providing. Instead, he resurrected his 2016 budgetary wish list.
(Much more at the LINK above)
Canadians cannot succeed economically if our freedoms are under attack. The WE scandal was the most blatant example of the government enriching its inner circle while average Canadians struggled to get by. Similarly, the current business subsidies seem to dictate which businesses will get to continue and which will disappear in the aftermath of COVID-19. Valuable work will be deemed “non-essential” and workers asked to stay home. The value of work will be reduced to simply what the government deems worthy. Many small businesses will have difficulty finding people to work, as CERB will continue to act as a disincentive.
Shockingly, with five weeks to prepare, both the speech from the throne and his entirely unnecessary national address showed no interest in changing course. Instead of taking bold steps to address the pandemic and rebuild our economy by providing solutions to the economic and social problems our country faces, we were given a laundry list of resurrected virtue-signalling platitudes. Instead of a path back to economic stability, we were given a plan that promised free money to everyone who would lay down their liberties in exchange for the paternalistic protection of Trudeau.
The speech was devoid of specifics and barely went beyond recapping the 2016 budget; it certainly did not substantiate the shutting down of Parliament. The Governor General’s office was used to circumvent governmental accountability, cancelling the committees working to provide taxpayers with answers about the allocation of millions of tax dollars and conflicts involving Trudeau’s friends and family members.
Parliament was prorogued to deny Canadians the right to know what happened in the WE scandal. During the period that the House of Commons was shut down, WE executives said they would be closing their Canadian operations and selling their Canadian assets. Canadians are still waiting for full answers as to what happened. COVID-19 had already been used as an excuse to shut down Parliament, at a time when we needed good, responsible governance more than ever. The throne speech was a bait-and-switch attempt to take our minds off of the ineptness of the current government and to focus attention on the goodies that Trudeau will provide, conveniently right before the next election is called.
The speech was about Trudeau’s priorities, not presenting solutions to such issues as strengthening our food supply chains, agriculture, national unity, helping Canadians make ends meet after mortgage relief expires in January, creating jobs in the energy sector, real child-care assistance for parents wanting to go back to work, helping more small businesses survive, or addressing the inability of businesses to find workers due to the disincentive that CERB is providing. Instead, he resurrected his 2016 budgetary wish list.
(Much more at the LINK above)
Canadians cannot succeed economically if our freedoms are under attack. The WE scandal was the most blatant example of the government enriching its inner circle while average Canadians struggled to get by. Similarly, the current business subsidies seem to dictate which businesses will get to continue and which will disappear in the aftermath of COVID-19. Valuable work will be deemed “non-essential” and workers asked to stay home. The value of work will be reduced to simply what the government deems worthy. Many small businesses will have difficulty finding people to work, as CERB will continue to act as a disincentive.
I was going to put this in the WE thread but this IMO would be a good follow up to Ron's post.
The Trudie scandal opened the world's eyes to the WE scam
WE Charity controversy prompts examination of group's overseas footprint
How are we Canadians going to help Trudie financially apologize to the Fraud brothers for their downfall?
The Trudie scandal opened the world's eyes to the WE scam
WE Charity controversy prompts examination of group's overseas footprint
How are we Canadians going to help Trudie financially apologize to the Fraud brothers for their downfall?
Oooh............someone doesn't look best pleased.I am soooo try'n to picture this...
What color should Charlie wear?
Alleged mastermind of lavish mansion casino raided by police met twice with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
Well......Jagmeet & Justin are holding hands to hold the Liberal Minority in power, so as long as Justin out-NDP's the NDP.....the WE scandal will get swept under the rug in a "Nothing to see here folks, Move Along!!" sort'a way and that's the end of that. Charlie goes back on his leash and will be told to "Shhhhhh...."...
Yup the NDP are so stupid , even broke they stand to pick up many disillusioned Liberal voters and gain seat count . As long as they carry Trudeau’s water they look weak and will gain no support .
Just like I figured they only pushed hard against Trudie to secure the deal now it's all kumbiya between the the 2 parties
Trudeau 'welcomes' ethics probe of alleged PMO interference in SNC-Lavalin case? Yeah...not so much & we know how that turned out. Does Trudeau 'welcome' ethics probe (or Finance Comittee, or any other) of alleged PMO interference in the WE Shenanigans Goat Rodeo? Even less it seems: http://nationalpost.com/news/politi...ament-passes-anti-corruption-committee-motion
OTTAWA – The Liberals are threatening to send Canadians to the polls if Parliament passes an opposition motion to create an “anti-corruption” committee, calling the Conservative proposal “ultra-partisan” and “irresponsible.” On Monday, Liberal Government House Leader Pablo Rodriguez expressed frustration at the Conservatives’ push for the committee, which would be composed of 15 MPs tasked with delving into the WE Charity scandal and other possible conflicts of interest involving the Liberals.
“When you’re asking the government to concentrate all their efforts on what is requested by this committee instead of fighting the pandemic, or instead of being there for Canadian households, we think that it’s extremely irresponsible,” Rodriguez said during a news conference. This Gov't can't do more than two things at once (?) like walking & chewing gum? Does it have to be either/or?
Rodriguez sent a letter to all opposition parties threatening that if the Conservative motion is passed on Tuesday, it would raise “serious questions” about whether the government has lost the confidence of the House — which could then trigger an election.
When pressed on the threat by reporters, Rodriguez was vague about whether the Liberals would push for an election. “We’ll see about that later. But a motion like this one … sends a message saying that they don’t have confidence in the government,” Rodriguez said.
But Monday’s threat of a confidence vote by Liberals did not impress the opposition.
“Is he really suggesting that if the committee looks into Trudeau’s corruption that Trudeau is just going to call an election?” said Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre. “No government in Canadian history has been brought down because an opposition motion passed to set up a committee.” The Bloc Québécois supports the motion, while the NDP has not made a final decision on the matter and continues to negotiate with the Liberals (=Magic Beans).
Conservative house leader Gérard Deltell also blasted Rodriguez’s comments in a letter of his own released later on Monday. “To suggest that a motion concerning the internal affairs of the House of Commons and the organization of its committees constitutes a question of confidence is simply ridiculous,” Deltell said.
“To threaten to plunge the country into a general election while Canada is in the middle of the second wave of the pandemic, all because you want to avoid some tough questions, is simply reckless and irresponsible.” Though it’s now spilled into the House of Commons, the battle over the study of the WE Charity scandal has been raging in various committees for weeks now. Lately, the Liberals have filibustered multiple parliamentary committees as they try to avoid being outvoted by the opposition parties.
Meanwhile, Liberal filibustering over a Conservative motion that protests redactions applied to thousands of pages of WE Charity documents released by the government in the summer has paralyzed the finance committee.
The health committee has also been bogged down due to Liberals fighting a Conservative motion that would order a sweeping study into the government’s handling of the pandemic — including by ordering the production of a massive trove of government documents for committee inspection.
A Liberal counter proposal would see the committee study the response, but without the document production order. "Look at Our record & Trust Us in our open & transparent rule you filthy peasants." Rodriguez has said the second wave of the pandemic makes it too dangerous for the government to comply with huge document production orders from the opposition, and that public servants have more important work to be focusing on. "We can produce 5000+ Personally Redacted Documents after Trudeau Prorogues Parliament, but to produce the same documents without all the extra black ink is way to dangerous!!" Wow...just wow.
These Doc's have already had to be gathered to be blocked out like Project Bluebook UFO Area 51 documents...so what the Hell? Put them on a USB Stick, tape it to a COVID 19 Safe Tennis Ball, and throw it across the isle in the House of Commons. Done deal. It can be placed in a zip-lock bag to sit for the weekend & Bob's your Uncle...
OTTAWA – The Liberals are threatening to send Canadians to the polls if Parliament passes an opposition motion to create an “anti-corruption” committee, calling the Conservative proposal “ultra-partisan” and “irresponsible.” On Monday, Liberal Government House Leader Pablo Rodriguez expressed frustration at the Conservatives’ push for the committee, which would be composed of 15 MPs tasked with delving into the WE Charity scandal and other possible conflicts of interest involving the Liberals.
“When you’re asking the government to concentrate all their efforts on what is requested by this committee instead of fighting the pandemic, or instead of being there for Canadian households, we think that it’s extremely irresponsible,” Rodriguez said during a news conference. This Gov't can't do more than two things at once (?) like walking & chewing gum? Does it have to be either/or?
Rodriguez sent a letter to all opposition parties threatening that if the Conservative motion is passed on Tuesday, it would raise “serious questions” about whether the government has lost the confidence of the House — which could then trigger an election.
When pressed on the threat by reporters, Rodriguez was vague about whether the Liberals would push for an election. “We’ll see about that later. But a motion like this one … sends a message saying that they don’t have confidence in the government,” Rodriguez said.
But Monday’s threat of a confidence vote by Liberals did not impress the opposition.
“Is he really suggesting that if the committee looks into Trudeau’s corruption that Trudeau is just going to call an election?” said Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre. “No government in Canadian history has been brought down because an opposition motion passed to set up a committee.” The Bloc Québécois supports the motion, while the NDP has not made a final decision on the matter and continues to negotiate with the Liberals (=Magic Beans).
Conservative house leader Gérard Deltell also blasted Rodriguez’s comments in a letter of his own released later on Monday. “To suggest that a motion concerning the internal affairs of the House of Commons and the organization of its committees constitutes a question of confidence is simply ridiculous,” Deltell said.
“To threaten to plunge the country into a general election while Canada is in the middle of the second wave of the pandemic, all because you want to avoid some tough questions, is simply reckless and irresponsible.” Though it’s now spilled into the House of Commons, the battle over the study of the WE Charity scandal has been raging in various committees for weeks now. Lately, the Liberals have filibustered multiple parliamentary committees as they try to avoid being outvoted by the opposition parties.
Meanwhile, Liberal filibustering over a Conservative motion that protests redactions applied to thousands of pages of WE Charity documents released by the government in the summer has paralyzed the finance committee.
The health committee has also been bogged down due to Liberals fighting a Conservative motion that would order a sweeping study into the government’s handling of the pandemic — including by ordering the production of a massive trove of government documents for committee inspection.
A Liberal counter proposal would see the committee study the response, but without the document production order. "Look at Our record & Trust Us in our open & transparent rule you filthy peasants." Rodriguez has said the second wave of the pandemic makes it too dangerous for the government to comply with huge document production orders from the opposition, and that public servants have more important work to be focusing on. "We can produce 5000+ Personally Redacted Documents after Trudeau Prorogues Parliament, but to produce the same documents without all the extra black ink is way to dangerous!!" Wow...just wow.
These Doc's have already had to be gathered to be blocked out like Project Bluebook UFO Area 51 documents...so what the Hell? Put them on a USB Stick, tape it to a COVID 19 Safe Tennis Ball, and throw it across the isle in the House of Commons. Done deal. It can be placed in a zip-lock bag to sit for the weekend & Bob's your Uncle...
Trudeau mentioning today that if the conservatives want to set up a committee to investigate all government covid-related spending then perhaps they want to call an election.
And that sounds reasonable to me.
How can you claim to have confidence in a government when you want to question every single dollar they spend?
Of course the conservatives want no part of an election. What they lack in courage they make up for in cowardice.
And that sounds reasonable to me.
How can you claim to have confidence in a government when you want to question every single dollar they spend?
Of course the conservatives want no part of an election. What they lack in courage they make up for in cowardice.
Re the current corruption committee brohaha - Mr Singh is incorrect in suggesting that it is not a matter that should ever be able to trigger a non-confidence vote. Although he would like to characterize it a simply creating a committee if that committee is created to look into spending then it can certainly trigger an election.
How can someone support a budget but question very single dollar being spent?
Conservative neophyte leader triggering an election that will drive his ridiculous party even further down the drain they are destined for.
How can someone support a budget but question very single dollar being spent?
Conservative neophyte leader triggering an election that will drive his ridiculous party even further down the drain they are destined for.
Seriously? This is how you perceive this? That's twisted man....The only one triggering an election if it happens is Justin Trudeau and his band of merry whatever they are. To point the finger anywhere else is asinine at best and extremely deceitful as a stance. Nobody made Justin & the Lib's enter into scandal after scandal and ethics violation after ethics violation. Not the Bloc or the Cons or the NDP....but all on their own from Aga Kahn to Admiral Mark Norman to SNC Lavalin to this WE goat rodeo and the other financial & ethical shenanigans that the public knows about from this Gov't and those that they don't know about yet.
We are in a pandemic, and came out of a federal election less than a year ago. The Liberals have a minority, and this stance demonstrates just how little this clown actually gives a shit about the general voting public to stuff this out there like the monarch he thinks he is. A confidence vote over setting up a committee to look into what sure looks like nefarious goings on is reckless and stupid on the part of the Liberals & Justin Trudeau. Justin wants an election, but doesn't want to be blamed for calling one. This is stanky.
It reads like satire now but five years ago, the Trudeau Liberals were elected on a platform that promised electoral reform; stronger Access to Information legislation; an end to the use of omnibus bills and prorogation; and, more robust parliamentary committees that could better hold the government to account. http://nationalpost.com/opinion/joh...ption-to-avoid-awkward-questions-is-troubling Having broken the first three pledges, the Liberals are now threatening to provoke a general election over the fourth.
The House of Commons will vote Wednesday on a Conservative motion to create a new special committee that would focus on investigating the WE Charity affair and other 'alleged' scandals. The Bloc Québécois will back the motion but the NDP is already edging towards another deal with the Liberals.
The Liberals have proposed their own committee to examine COVID spending, albeit one chaired and dominated by their own MPs, and this may prove enough of a face-saving compromise for the NDP to acquiesce. The Liberals want to investigate themselves again to find themselves innocent? But Justin Trudeau’s willingness to opt for the nuclear option to avoid answering awkward questions is troubling. This was a government that promised to be open by default. In this case, Trudeau has taken a sledgehammer to the legitimacy that Parliament offers government.
If the Conservative strategy in all this is obvious – go digging for more mud to sling – the Liberal game-plan is less so. Pablo Rodriguez, the government House leader, feigned synthetic anger when he declared the Conservatives’ “dangerous partisan plan to paralyze government” is a matter of confidence. Yet he said the Liberals are “totally open to give all the information that is requested from the opposition.” That will be news to all the MPs who sat through hours of filibustering at committee last week because the Liberals were not prepared to hand over documents.
Conservative leader Erin O’Toole said that, while he has no confidence in the government’s handling of the WE Charity issue, he does not want an election. Even NDP leader Jagmeet Singh said that the only way there will be an election is if the prime minister chooses to have one. “Imagine the prime minister trying to explain to people who are worried about their livelihoods…his reason is because he doesn’t like the committee,” Singh said.
The Liberals have performed the parliamentary equivalent of putting a butterfly on a torture rack – threatening an election in the middle of pandemic over an opposition motion to set up a committee aimed at keeping the government accountable. It could be that Trudeau has looked at public opinion polls and decided to take advantage of the pandemic. At a time when one in three people say they would have been destitute without government support, the public mood certainly favours the incumbent Liberals. But the prime minister risks a backlash at this brazen over-reach, which makes one wonder: What is it he doesn’t want people to know?
Rather than restoring trust in democracy, as the Liberals promised five years ago, they are in danger of stripping it of its authority and dignity.
So given all of that you expect anyone to believe that there is no basis for a no confidence vote?Seriously? This is how you perceive this? That's twisted man....The only one triggering an election if it happens is Justin Trudeau and his band of merry whatever they are. To point the finger anywhere else is asinine at best and extremely deceitful as a stance. Nobody made Justin & the Lib's enter into scandal after scandal and ethics violation after ethics violation. Not the Bloc or the Cons or the NDP....but all on their own from Aga Kahn to Admiral Mark Norman to SNC Lavalin to this WE goat rodeo and the other financial & ethical shenanigans that the public knows about from this Gov't and those that they don't know about yet.
We are in a pandemic, and came out of a federal election less than a year ago. The Liberals have a minority, and this stance demonstrates just how little this clown actually gives a shit about the general voting public to stuff this out there like the monarch he thinks he is. A confidence vote over setting up a committee to look into what sure looks like nefarious goings on is reckless and stupid on the part of the Liberals & Justin Trudeau. Justin wants an election, but doesn't want to be blamed for calling one. This is stanky.
It reads like satire now but five years ago, the Trudeau Liberals were elected on a platform that promised electoral reform; stronger Access to Information legislation; an end to the use of omnibus bills and prorogation; and, more robust parliamentary committees that could better hold the government to account. http://nationalpost.com/opinion/joh...ption-to-avoid-awkward-questions-is-troubling Having broken the first three pledges, the Liberals are now threatening to provoke a general election over the fourth.
The House of Commons will vote Wednesday on a Conservative motion to create a new special committee that would focus on investigating the WE Charity affair and other 'alleged' scandals. The Bloc Québécois will back the motion but the NDP is already edging towards another deal with the Liberals.
The Liberals have proposed their own committee to examine COVID spending, albeit one chaired and dominated by their own MPs, and this may prove enough of a face-saving compromise for the NDP to acquiesce. The Liberals want to investigate themselves again to find themselves innocent? But Justin Trudeau’s willingness to opt for the nuclear option to avoid answering awkward questions is troubling. This was a government that promised to be open by default. In this case, Trudeau has taken a sledgehammer to the legitimacy that Parliament offers government.
If the Conservative strategy in all this is obvious – go digging for more mud to sling – the Liberal game-plan is less so. Pablo Rodriguez, the government House leader, feigned synthetic anger when he declared the Conservatives’ “dangerous partisan plan to paralyze government” is a matter of confidence. Yet he said the Liberals are “totally open to give all the information that is requested from the opposition.” That will be news to all the MPs who sat through hours of filibustering at committee last week because the Liberals were not prepared to hand over documents.
Conservative leader Erin O’Toole said that, while he has no confidence in the government’s handling of the WE Charity issue, he does not want an election. Even NDP leader Jagmeet Singh said that the only way there will be an election is if the prime minister chooses to have one. “Imagine the prime minister trying to explain to people who are worried about their livelihoods…his reason is because he doesn’t like the committee,” Singh said.
The Liberals have performed the parliamentary equivalent of putting a butterfly on a torture rack – threatening an election in the middle of pandemic over an opposition motion to set up a committee aimed at keeping the government accountable. It could be that Trudeau has looked at public opinion polls and decided to take advantage of the pandemic. At a time when one in three people say they would have been destitute without government support, the public mood certainly favours the incumbent Liberals. But the prime minister risks a backlash at this brazen over-reach, which makes one wonder: What is it he doesn’t want people to know?
Rather than restoring trust in democracy, as the Liberals promised five years ago, they are in danger of stripping it of its authority and dignity.
You have basically made the case that there is.
For some reason, you finding that reasonable doesn't surprise me...
I'm seeing lacking & cowardice also, but now in the direction that you're looking. How bad are the documents that the Trudeau government is trying to hide? http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-liberals-threaten-election-to-keep-things-hidden I don’t just mean the WE Charity documents that they have been trying to hide but also the documents that opposition members of the Commons health committee would like to see related to the government’s COVID-19 response.
Just like they have done with the ethics and finance committees, the Liberals also spent a good part of Monday trying to filibuster the Commons health committee to stop Canadians from seeing documents demanded by opposition MPs. They even threatened an election if a Conservative motion to investigate corruption passes this week. So, let’s get this straight: the Liberals have prorogued Parliament, filibustered committees and are now threatening an election all to stop the release of documents? That doesn’t sound like the open and transparent government that Justin Trudeau promised when he was elected.
“Government and its information should be open by default,” Trudeau promised in the 2015 Liberal platform.
Now he is doing everything he can to keep secrets, secret. What exactly would we find in those documents? If only the Liberals would answer questions. How bad are the documents the Liberals are trying to hide? We may have an election before we ever get to find out and depending on how it goes, we may never know.
I'm trying to make the case that we just came out of a federal election less than a year ago, & the case that there is a global pandemic that we're currently in since the last election, & the case that this becoming a confidence vote to force another election during a pandemic is asinine, & that Canadians deserve to know what's happening.
I've no idea what you're trying to do. Troll for trolling's sake? Anything beyond that?
Whatever Bizarro World philosophy guides the Prime Minister’s Office this week led to the Liberals threatening to bring down their own government if they can’t control Parliamentary examinations of the WE Charity scandal??http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...tening-to-provoke-an-election-over/?cmpid=rss
It’s a nuclear option whose threat inevitably provokes one question: What are the Liberals so desperate to hide? This brinksmanship is surely encouraged by the fact the Liberals feel confident, based on current polling, that a snap election would likely return them to power but at what cost? What has them so spooked that they would rather call an election than allow a committee that they don’t control to dig into their handling of the WE Charity fiasco?
It’s a nuclear option whose threat inevitably provokes one question: What are the Liberals so desperate to hide? This brinksmanship is surely encouraged by the fact the Liberals feel confident, based on current polling, that a snap election would likely return them to power but at what cost? What has them so spooked that they would rather call an election than allow a committee that they don’t control to dig into their handling of the WE Charity fiasco?