Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

MHz

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Are you talking Australia or Cape Breton Island?
Water flow different?

Crabs and other scavengers eat the solids in raw sewage, plastic not so much. The rift is not that far offshore so even landfill garbage could be dumped there using some care so it lands in a deep canyon that will be covered as the rift spreads. You cannot hurt something that has black smokers as the highest form of life. (no link for that theory)
 

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And now the people who HATE OIL pipelines want to dismiss whatever marine life gets poisoned by those two "little spots" spewing sewage on Juam de Fuca!


They re hugely distressed if an Orca gets sick but can shrug off seals eating diseased fish and getting sick from that!!!!!


And the same people can ignore Seals STARVING TO DEATH thanks to our over fishing and to our destruction of fish spawning habitat!!!!


The same people who are demanding that the Alberta oil patch are the same people who are refusing to build public transit

because they have other spending priorities- like buying the votes of Black Lives Matter and Idle No more BIGOTS! And of course there is the costly care and feeding of hordes of illegals- also knonw as NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS!!!!


And the same people who want to destroy YOUR JOB with their environmental demands and shrug off the death of marine mammals in sewage that its too much trouble to treat - are also DEMANDING MORE GRAVY from LIE-beral govt!!!!


Oh well- nobody ever said LIE-beral logic is worthy of being called logic!!!!!!

No, the people who are wetting the bed over Victoria's sewage are the same people who are against pipelines.

More bullshit. It goes into Puget sound and Georgia Straight.Also onto Victoria beaches. Victoria's sewer system should have been shut down decades ago until they come up to the standards imposed on the rest of BC.
Of course if you are OK with poluting the ocean then leter rip.

I recommend you read this article.


Washington’s discharges into Juan de Fuca Strait and Puget Sound — and British Columbia’s discharges into Georgia Strait — flow to Victoria, not the reverse. This current is so strong and persistent that, contrary to popular concern, it’s extremely unlikely for Victoria’s discharge to flow to Washington’s shores. If it ever did, good luck detecting it because it would be infinitesimally dilute and indistinguishable from all of the other discharges.

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/guest-victoriarsquos-sewage-does-not-pollute-washington-shores/
 

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Impressive, now do one on how water and oil do not mix when it comes from a tanker.
Save an Orca but kill a few million Muslims based on an easily proven lie. You the smart one in the family?
 

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Depends what they are discharging and where they are discharging it. In Victoria's case it gets washed out to sea before it can accumulate to dangerous levels.
When did the current reverse? See that rotational current off of Victoria? That is how shit accumulates

 
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MHz

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If it is a clean as they say it should be pumped to greenhouses and the produce grown would supplement to other food that is grown there in quantity.
A huge dump at the rift could allow BC to bury garbage from a lot of places and the dead water it would have created is already O2 free. Find the right box canyon and the real nasty stuff can also be safely stored in a single location forever. Current flow there is from the N to the S and the rift should guide it to a certain extent so a swirl might exist that helps contain what is put there.
 

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More bullshit. It goes into Puget sound and Georgia Straight.Also onto Victoria beaches. Victoria's sewer system should have been shut down decades ago until they come up to the standards imposed on the rest of BC.
Of course if you are OK with poluting the ocean then leter rip.


The only "environment" that LIE-berals want to save is the one where their gravy train lives!!!!


Consider the Wynne-bag view of fossil fuels that Our idiot Boy Justin is just as dedicated to- and the article explains why the Kinder Morgan pipeline will NOT be built as long as federal LIE-berals are in charge:



Here is another in a series of excellent columns by Toronto Sun writer Lorry Goldstein. He has has done a wonderful job of exposing the various ways that tax mad LIE-berals are destroying our province and our country. I have included a few comments of my own in brackets.)



Goldstein writes: Liberals planning agency to dictate how Ontarians use energy

By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun

First posted: Thursday, April 28, 2016 06:09 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, April 29, 2016 12:07 AM EDT

Higher electricity rates kick in for Ontario

Watching Ontario’s Liberal government address climate change is like watching children running through the hall with scissors.

It’s all fun and games until the taxpayer loses an eye.

This is the same government that couldn’t deliver on a known commodity like computerized medical health records, leading to the $1-billion eHeath scandal.

The same government that presided over the Ornge air ambulance fiasco that is still being investigated by the police.

The same government that wasted a billion dollars canceling two gas plants.

The same government that, in the one thing it did right on the pollution front — ending Ontario’s use of coal-fired electricity in 2014 — blew billions of dollars on unneeded, unreliable and expensive wind and solar power, while actually replacing coal with nuclear power and natural gas.

The same government that, aware of real-world experience (in British Columbia) showing a revenue neutral carbon tax is the best way to lower greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, chose the worst way.

That is an absurdly complicated cap-and-trade system which will increase government bureaucracy and cost Ontarians $2 billion annually to start, beginning next year.

A cap-and-trade scheme that has failed in Europe, where it has been inefficient at lowering emissions, sent consumer prices skyrocketing, driven millions of people into fuel poverty and is overrun by fraud and organized crime.

And where did the Liberals get their advice on setting up their cap-and-trade system?

From the architects of Europe’s 11-year-old cap-and-trade disaster, the Emissions Trading Scheme, of course.

Undeterred by this breathtaking record of incompetence, we now learn Premier Kathleen Wynne and Climate Change Minister Glen Murray are crafting a new government agency to dictate how Ontarians will use energy in the future.

This is so dumb it makes the former Soviet Union’s centrally-managed and disastrous five-year plan for the production of grain — which led to a famine — look like a work of genius.

According to the Globe and Mail, this new climate agency, no doubt to be headed by a climate czar, supported by untold climate minions, will issue diktats on everything from how utility companies supply electricity to their customers, to what kind of cars Ontarians buy.

Not content with having forced us to subsidize the purchase of five, $1.1 million Porsche 918 Spyder plug-in hybrids in Ontario — among the world’s most expensive cars — the Liberals are now plotting to game the car market so that every two-car household has at least one zero emission or hybrid vehicle in its driveway by 2024.

I say this LIE-beral car plan sounds like something from that insane literary utopia Brave new World in which it was the DUTY of all citizens to consume and purchase goods as dictated by govt or suffer a penalty!)

That means orchestrating the sale, with gawd only knows what public subsidies, of 1.7 million electric cars and hybrids by 2024, taking seven million gasoline-powered cars off the road by 2030 and ensuring that by 2050, 80% of Ontarians walk, bike or take public transit to work.

As one auto industry spokesman quipped to the Globe on whether it’s possible to reach such targets in the car market, it “depends on what you’re smoking”. Indeed.
 

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The numbers in your post suggest the move is to get rid of drivers. Bikes and public transport for the 'masses' while the elite drive around in bullet-proof SUV's. I'm all for the masses going with bikes, e-bikes to the extent they can be taken on the bus or subway so you have it at the end of bus ride.

To get 80% use the bus would have to replaced by pods that fit a few people at most so in the morning 1 bus doesn't show up and get filled but 50 of these things auto drive themselves there and people jump on then and enter their destination and it does the switching and hooking up to others going in the same direction. Amazon warehouse only city size so have them do a delivery service as well and that would add more coins to the program, outside on the street or at the closest bus stop would put the taxis out of business but the city makes a lot more. If we are to become slaves we might as well be happy slaves.



Canada would sell more trikes than bikes simply because a trike can make it through the snow without falling on the rider, pull a 'sled' and all the ruts get filled in by the ones that use the path so full throttle is the normal speed. Bikes are suspension free because it sucks up pedaling power. An e-bike could have 2 motors and the 'soft suspension' should resemble the design used in the 4x4 trucks in the Baja 1,000 so cracks in the sidewalks are not spine busters and mounting sidewalks and getting off them can be done at full speed (30kph) Perhaps even a scaled up version of a child's trike would end up with a 26" front wheel and 2 small ones on the back where 2 friends can stand as you drive it around. Zero permits, zero more costs but you might want to still have insurance and a 'dash-cam' so you can't get sued by people who get in front of you at the wrong time and pay a low fee for the ones you mow down. Most people with bikes don't have the money to make it worthwhile to sue them.
 

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The numbers in your post suggest the move is to get rid of drivers. Bikes and public transport for the 'masses' while the elite drive around in bullet-proof SUV's. I'm all for the masses going with bikes, e-bikes to the extent they can be taken on the bus or subway so you have it at the end of bus ride.

To get 80% use the bus would have to replaced by pods that fit a few people at most so in the morning 1 bus doesn't show up and get filled but 50 of these things auto drive themselves there and people jump on then and enter their destination and it does the switching and hooking up to others going in the same direction. Amazon warehouse only city size so have them do a delivery service as well and that would add more coins to the program, outside on the street or at the closest bus stop would put the taxis out of business but the city makes a lot more. If we are to become slaves we might as well be happy slaves.



Canada would sell more trikes than bikes simply because a trike can make it through the snow without falling on the rider, pull a 'sled' and all the ruts get filled in by the ones that use the path so full throttle is the normal speed. Bikes are suspension free because it sucks up pedaling power. An e-bike could have 2 motors and the 'soft suspension' should resemble the design used in the 4x4 trucks in the Baja 1,000 so cracks in the sidewalks are not spine busters and mounting sidewalks and getting off them can be done at full speed (30kph) Perhaps even a scaled up version of a child's trike would end up with a 26" front wheel and 2 small ones on the back where 2 friends can stand as you drive it around. Zero permits, zero more costs but you might want to still have insurance and a 'dash-cam' so you can't get sued by people who get in front of you at the wrong time and pay a low fee for the ones you mow down. Most people with bikes don't have the money to make it worthwhile to sue them.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MHz has really jumped the shark this time with his delusional drivel about e-bikes that can be taken onto buses for longer trips!!!!!!


AS for bikes being "suspension free" free because it sucks up pedal power.........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!


I own a mountain bike with a nice rear suspension!!!!!!


And the real reason bikes dont have elaborate suspension is due to WEIGHT!!!!


And it is this same weight problem that will ensure e-bikes NEVER get loaded on buses!!!!


As for electric trikes carrying passengers- why not just admit you want to build electric Toy cars and be done with it??????


And I guess MHz is not aware of how notoriously unstable a trike is in a sharp corner so full speed in snow and ice AINT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!


And has MHZ given ANY thought to the wild skids AND WIPEOUTS THAT WOULD OCCUR EVERY TIME A SPEEDING TRIKE CAUGHT A WHEEL IN AN ICY STREET CAR TRACK????


Or maybe MHz is planning to make a lot of money selling trike wipeout videos to Fail Army????


What a MAROON!!!!!!
 

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The numbers in your post suggest the move is to get rid of drivers. Bikes and public transport for the 'masses' while the elite drive around in bullet-proof SUV's. I'm all for the masses going with bikes, e-bikes to the extent they can be taken on the bus or subway so you have it at the end of bus ride.

To get 80% use the bus would have to replaced by pods that fit a few people at most so in the morning 1 bus doesn't show up and get filled but 50 of these things auto drive themselves there and people jump on then and enter their destination and it does the switching and hooking up to others going in the same direction. Amazon warehouse only city size so have them do a delivery service as well and that would add more coins to the program, outside on the street or at the closest bus stop would put the taxis out of business but the city makes a lot more. If we are to become slaves we might as well be happy slaves.



Canada would sell more trikes than bikes simply because a trike can make it through the snow without falling on the rider, pull a 'sled' and all the ruts get filled in by the ones that use the path so full throttle is the normal speed. Bikes are suspension free because it sucks up pedaling power. An e-bike could have 2 motors and the 'soft suspension' should resemble the design used in the 4x4 trucks in the Baja 1,000 so cracks in the sidewalks are not spine busters and mounting sidewalks and getting off them can be done at full speed (30kph) Perhaps even a scaled up version of a child's trike would end up with a 26" front wheel and 2 small ones on the back where 2 friends can stand as you drive it around. Zero permits, zero more costs but you might want to still have insurance and a 'dash-cam' so you can't get sued by people who get in front of you at the wrong time and pay a low fee for the ones you mow down. Most people with bikes don't have the money to make it worthwhile to sue them.
When busses start packing bikes even fewer people will want to ride the bus for their daily commute since it will dramatically increase the time required to make the trip with all the loading and unloading.
 

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When busses start packing bikes even fewer people will want to ride the bus for their daily commute since it will dramatically increase the time required to make the trip with all the loading and unloading.


Currently YOU CAN takev a bike onto a bus or street car or Go train- BUT ONLY in off peak hours due entirely to loading and unloading



times and space limitations on our overloaded pubic transit!!!!

 

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Kid's trike design being unstable. True, however a clip-on design that would replace the single rear wheel on any bike with one with 2 electric wheels that also allows the rider to tip the bike 10deg to either side for corners and to allow hand's free steering. The 2 back wheels would remain flat and on the ground at all times. To keep the 'bike status' you would still need to pedal it so the axles would have to be able to transmit power. Making the chain a 6 speed would seem to be possible with not much of an issue if hills or top speed was to be 'adjustable' on the fly. A pedal system could be rigged up so the front fork is used to show it is a bike but they are foot-pegs in reality and the motor does all the work. A trike allows texting without falling over, even you stop you still don;t have to put your feet down. Wide back tires would solve the railway tracks as the narrow front one is visible so the steering ability takes care of that. I'm suggestion the suspension can be soft enough that the coffee in the cup holder is 'consumed' rather than spilled. Most people using them should be on golf karts rather than fast quads.



Even just a scooter wheel attached to some handlebars could be clipped to a manual wheelchair and you have 30kph and a tiller steering so you would still have control if it was going 2x faster than that. Put on some roller-blades and you could put the wheel out back and sit on the handle that ends in a throttle/brake control. Add a small rod between the wheel and a skateboard and that becomes almost as handy as a bike.
Any bus could have a tow behind bike-rack, if it is popular enough the rider sits on his own bike until it is time to get off

When busses start packing bikes even fewer people will want to ride the bus for their daily commute since it will dramatically increase the time required to make the trip with all the loading and unloading.
Plug the bikes in and the bus runs for free. The point is the bike has to stay with the owner or it goes missing before the owner returns.
 

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why am i suddenly feeling a little inadequate?
Kid's trike design being unstable. True, however a clip-on design that would replace the single rear wheel on any bike with one with 2 electric wheels that also allows the rider to tip the bike 10deg to either side for corners and to allow hand's free steering. The 2 back wheels would remain flat and on the ground at all times. To keep the 'bike status' you would still need to pedal it so the axles would have to be able to transmit power. Making the chain a 6 speed would seem to be possible with not much of an issue if hills or top speed was to be 'adjustable' on the fly. A pedal system could be rigged up so the front fork is used to show it is a bike but they are foot-pegs in reality and the motor does all the work. A trike allows texting without falling over, even you stop you still don;t have to put your feet down. Wide back tires would solve the railway tracks as the narrow front one is visible so the steering ability takes care of that. I'm suggestion the suspension can be soft enough that the coffee in the cup holder is 'consumed' rather than spilled. Most people using them should be on golf karts rather than fast quads.



even just a scooter wheel attached to some handlebars could be clipped to a manual wheelchair and you have 30kph and a tiller steering so you would still have control if it was going 2x faster than that. Put on some roller-blades and you could put the wheel out back and sit on the handle that ends in a throttle/brake control. Add a small rod between the wheel and a skateboard and that becomes almost as handy as a bike.
Any bus could have a tow behind bike-rack, if it is popular enough the rider sits on his own bike until it is time to get off






hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


a tow behind bike rack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


oh i can just picture that mess shambling through city streets on a dark and snowy day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and have you considered how long it would take to hitch up and detach your electric toys??????????



and.....those little things called brake lights..........where would they be visible behind the bus?????


though i guess bus riders would appreciate the cushion of electric toys behind the bus to absorb any rear collisions!!!!!!!!



and cant you just hear the curses once the trike riders get out of the bus and get a good look at their machines- all mired in slush and salt thrown up by traffic!!!!!!!!


yeah a woman in a nice outfit or a man in a suit is going to spend how much time cleaning off the splattered and gawky gizmo - while standing in traffic!!!!!!!!!



go back to the drawing board einstein- your delusions are clouding your judgement!!!!!!!!!

 

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MHz has really jumped the shark this time with his delusional drivel about e-bikes that can be taken onto buses for longer trips!!!!!!


AS for bikes being "suspension free" free because it sucks up pedal power.........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!


I own a mountain bike with a nice rear suspension!!!!!!


And the real reason bikes dont have elaborate suspension is due to WEIGHT!!!!


And it is this same weight problem that will ensure e-bikes NEVER get loaded on buses!!!!


As for electric trikes carrying passengers- why not just admit you want to build electric Toy cars and be done with it??????


And I guess MHz is not aware of how notoriously unstable a trike is in a sharp corner so full speed in snow and ice AINT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!


And has MHZ given ANY thought to the wild skids AND WIPEOUTS THAT WOULD OCCUR EVERY TIME A SPEEDING TRIKE CAUGHT A WHEEL IN AN ICY STREET CAR TRACK????


Or maybe MHz is planning to make a lot of money selling trike wipeout videos to Fail Army????


What a MAROON!!!!!!
You are the moron, not he. His engineering ideas seem quite valid to me but I only spent 42 yeaes in nuclear and aerospace engineering.

On problem might be the weught of the batteries. It seems the universe just does not want us to find and develop really good ones,
 

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You are the moron, not he. His engineering ideas seem quite valid to me but I only spent 42 yeaes in nuclear and aerospace engineering.

On problem might be the weught of the batteries. It seems the universe just does not want us to find and develop really good ones,

Graphene.

Everything we have in electronics is obsolete.

A new era of digital is no longer on the horizon, it's rising fast.

https://www.techradar.com/news/20-ways-graphene-is-about-to-change-your-life
 

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You are the moron, not he. His engineering ideas seem quite valid to me but I only spent 42 yeaes in nuclear and aerospace engineering.

On problem might be the weught of the batteries. It seems the universe just does not want us to find and develop really good ones,
It seems ships that use salt water ponds have to take steps to stop electricity being created. Put the salt at Dead Sea levels and you might have a hard time not producing electricity. Could be awhile before we run out of salt water.
Heavy vehicles are actually more stable than the light ones, Getting the same performance is why big blocks were invented, you know the engine where you start slowing down when you let off on the gas.
 

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Water flow different?

Crabs and other scavengers eat the solids in raw sewage, plastic not so much. The rift is not that far offshore so even landfill garbage could be dumped there using some care so it lands in a deep canyon that will be covered as the rift spreads. You cannot hurt something that has black smokers as the highest form of life. (no link for that theory)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-BERALS ARE SO DEDICATED TO DEFENDING THE ENVIRONMENT THEY WANT TO TURN BACK THE CLOCK TO 19th CENTURY THINKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


JUST DUMP OUR CRAP IN THE OCEAN- THEY SAY- AND THE WATER WILL SWALLOW IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It seems ships that use salt water ponds have to take steps to stop electricity being created. Put the salt at Dead Sea levels and you might have a hard time not producing electricity. Could be awhile before we run out of salt water.
Heavy vehicles are actually more stable than the light ones, Getting the same performance is why big blocks were invented, you know the engine where you start slowing down when you let off on the gas.


NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-BERALS BELIEVE THEY CAN SUSPEND THE LAWS OF PHYSICS AND BUILD A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE!!!!!!!!!!


THEY POINT TO SHIPS IN SALT WATER PONDS CREATING STATIC ELECTRICITY AND SUGGEST THIS IS A VIABLE ELECTRICITY GENERATOR!!!!


TOO BAD THEY DO NOT ASK WHAT DRIVES THE SHIP?????????



BUT PERPETUAL MOTION OF ONE SORT OR ANOTHER HAS ALWAYS MESMERIZED LIE-BERALS!!!!!


JUST LOOK AT THE OLD NDP BOB RAE PLAN TO MAKE ONTARI-OWE RICH WITH BORROWED MONEY- JUST BORROW ENOUGH GRAVY AND THE ECONOMY WILL TAKE OFF IN PERPETUAL RICHES!!!!!!!!!!!!



AND NOW WE HAVE OUR IDIOT BOY JUSTIN DOING AN EVEN BIGGER AND MORE COSTLY VERSION OF THE NDP PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!


IDIOT BOY OFFERS US BIGGER DEBTS AND MORE BORROWING THAN NDP EVER DARED DREAM OF!!!!!!!!!!!


OUR IDIOT BOY IS SO DETERMINED TO GROW OUR ECONOMY THAT HE IS EVEN BORROWING PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD TO COME TO CANADA TO HELP ENJOY THE BORROWED BONANZA!!!!!!!!!!



i SAY THAT AFTER LIE-BERALS GET TIRED OF PLAYING WITH PERPETUAL MOTION- MEANING THEY ARE THROWN OUT OF OFFICE IN DISGRACE- I SAY WE SHOULD SET THEM UP IN A LAB AND LET THEM CREATE COLD FUSION- YOU KNOW THE ATOMIC REACTION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SO EFFICIENT THAT WE WILL NOT EVEN NEED TO CHARGE FOR ELECTRICITY- WE WILL ONLY HAVE TO CHARGE OR THE WIRES!!!!!


BUT JUST TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE WE SHOULD SET UP THE LIE-BERAL COLD FUSION LAB ON PLUTO!!!!!!!!!!


IT IS WHERE THE SPACE CADETS BELONG ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!

you are the moron, not he. His engineering ideas seem quite valid to me but i only spent 42 yeaes in nuclear and aerospace engineering.

On problem might be the weught of the batteries. It seems the universe just does not want us to find and develop really good ones,


42 years in nuclear science?


would that be in the iranian nuclear program?


or the iraqi weapons of mass destruction program?????


or should we just assume that exposure to a nice array of toxic heavy metals has altered yoyr thinking apparatus??????????



as a long time space cadet you are the perfect candidate to lead the lie-beral mission to create cold fusion that i posted about below!!!!!


it is a perfect job for lie-beral space cadets like you!!!!!!!!!!!!!