Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

Danbones

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Compared to the largest land owner in Toronto at the time dumping a whole defunct metal plating business into the storm drains and rivers and directly into lake Ontario to save a couple bucks compared to what he would have paid doing it properly, I think the natives are NOT likely the problem.

A bankrupt metal plating factory is about as toxic as it gets.

The natives ( including 7000 year old red haired white folks in Florida ) were here for 50 thousand years without the kind of extinktion level damage corporate civilization is causing lately.
 

pgs

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Compared to the largest land owner in Toronto at the time dumping a whole defunct metal plating business into the storm drains and rivers and directly into lake Ontario to save a couple bucks compared to what he would have paid doing it properly, I think the natives are NOT likely the problem.

A bankrupt metal plating factory is about as toxic as it gets.

The natives ( including 7000 year old red haired white folks in Florida ) were here for 50 thousand years without the kind of extinktion level damage corporate civilization is causing lately.
I hope the company was sued into bankruptcy.
 

petros

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The latest Keystone leak you can see the stained ground, didn't look to be a tough cleanup, they sent in a coupon of the pipe for tests for the reason of the leak. If a coupon was sent in I'm thinking a defect was found in the pipe there maybe some integrity digs depending on the results of the testing.
Can't be Evraz pipe then.
 

spilledthebeer

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First you tell me I live in a sh-t hole and when I counter that you post an article describing the sh-t hole you live in.




WE Have already documented THE DISMALLY LOW QUALITY


OF SEWAGE TREATMENT ON THE WEST COAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Just because B.C. HYPOCRITES regard Fraser River and coastal tidal areas..................................


as ALWAYS FLUSHING FREE TOILETS ......................................................


does not excuse your Fake News CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


At least we in the EAST ACTUALLY OWN some effective sewage treatment plants...................................


that only OVERFLOW WHEN IT RAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What is YOUR HYPOCRITE EXCUSE FOR DELIBERATE DUMPING and FLUSHING????????????????????


And then trying to get all virtuous about your "love" of the environment?????????????????????????????????
 

spilledthebeer

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Compared to the largest land owner in Toronto at the time dumping a whole defunct metal plating business into the storm drains and rivers and directly into lake Ontario to save a couple bucks compared to what he would have paid doing it properly, I think the natives are NOT likely the problem.

A bankrupt metal plating factory is about as toxic as it gets.

The natives ( including 7000 year old red haired white folks in Florida ) were here for 50 thousand years without the kind of extinktion level damage corporate civilization is causing lately.








If natives are so saintly and devoted to the natural world..............................


THEN WHY are natives DEMANDING that govt build, pay for and MAINTAIN WHITE STYLE SUBURBS..........................


COMPLETE WITHE ALL CARBON SPEWING 21st Century gadgets........................................



on remote northern reserves?????????????????????????


WHY are natives on reserves so wildly excited about LIVING JUST LIKE...............................


the WHITE PEOPLE THAT SO MANY NATIVES SCORN?????????????????
 

JLM

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WE Have already documented THE DISMALLY LOW QUALITY


OF SEWAGE TREATMENT ON THE WEST COAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Just because B.C. HYPOCRITES regard Fraser River and coastal tidal areas..................................


as ALWAYS FLUSHING FREE TOILETS ......................................................


does not excuse your Fake News CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


At least we in the EAST ACTUALLY OWN some effective sewage treatment plants...................................


that only OVERFLOW WHEN IT RAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What is YOUR HYPOCRITE EXCUSE FOR DELIBERATE DUMPING and FLUSHING????????????????????


And then trying to get all virtuous about your "love" of the environment?????????????????????????????????


Not that I totally buy it because I don't think you can flush sewage into salt water forever but the explanation for Juan de Fuca Strait at the time it all got started was the sea water would take care of it. This was back when Victoria had 30,000 people, now it has two or three hundred thousand. So I think that old explanation may be getting a little stale.
 

taxslave

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Yes and no . Whale watching can be intrusive , but I really don’t think it is that big of a deal unless they are interfering with the hunt . Watching the southern whales herd salmon is amazing , but not nearly as crazy as seeing them play catch with a seal or dolphin.
As for the fishing , commercial ground fishing is banned and we are seeing a resurgence of halibut in the Gulf of Georgia and other rock fish are starting to recover . Not all is doom and gloom .
I think the whale watching is interfering not only with the hunt but also breeding. The whales are never left alone except at night. THere is also the noise from all those high speed boats to consider. There is also the impact of the largely unregulated commercial sports fishery to consider.And the garbage all these people deposit in the ocean.
On another note I have been watching the damage to the ecosystems tourism is causing. All those people tramping through the bush is taking its toll. Garbage in Pacific Rim park is astonishing.
 

spilledthebeer

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B.C. First Nations drop out of court challenge, sign deals with Trans Mountain

Told you Cliffy and Hoid it's all about the money, the remaining 4 tribes are disappointed that the Supreme court will only hear the argument about lack of consultation




I AM SORRY TO SAY...........................


that it does not matter what choices natives now make!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE ONLY PARTY in our parliament interested in completing Kinder Morgan..........................


is the Conservative party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Western rage at Trudope is now apparently so huge...............................


that it will not matter if the pipeline is built!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The west has watched its economy fall into the toilet while LIE-berals LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Will people who have lost their houses and life savings easily forgive?????????????????????????



The 2020 LIE-beral choices about federal transfer payments will RESTART the western rage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy needs lots of gravy to make Quebec forget about voting for CAQ or Bloc heads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Idiot BOY NEEDS Gravy to win back seats in maritime provinces................................


idiot Boy needs gravy to keep a hold over more of Ontari-owe..............................


and idiot Boy needs gravy to win votes away from B.C. NDPEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Alberta is OUT IN THE COLD AS FAR AS LIE-berals are concerned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Twin_Moose

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How the American environmental movement dealt a blow to Alberta's oilpatch

It was the fall of 2008, and a group of environmental activists spent part of a conference there brainstorming tactics for slowing down the growth of the oilsands — and they identified pipelines as the most vulnerable target.

One in particular fit the bill: Keystone XL — a 1,897-kilometre pipeline to be built by TC Energy that would carry up to 830,000 barrels of crude oil per day from Hardisty, Alta., to Nebraska, where it would link up with the company's existing pipeline network.
Their fateful decision at that meeting to throw money and organizational effort into attacking the proposed pipeline opened a difficult new chapter for the oilpatch.
Now, those activists are claiming victory.
A decade later, Alberta crude is increasingly choked off from international markets; growth forecasts have been cut in half; iconic Canadian energy companies are rebranding themselves or moving head offices; and parts of Western Canada are simmering with talk of separatism.
'Keystone was a turning point'
Several American activists interviewed in recent days cited the tactical decisions made in 2008 as setting the stage for the industry's current woes.
"Keystone was a turning point," said Kenny Bruno, an organizer and author in the environmental movement who helped shape the anti-pipeline strategy.
"It really did impact the industry — as we intended."
Anthony Swift, director of the Canada Project at the Washington-based Natural Resources Defence Council (NRDC), agrees that the effort helped at least curb growth even if, overall, oilsands output continues to rise.
"We really did stop expansion," Swift said.
While delays in large oil projects are now fairly common, in 2008, it was near inconceivable that the United States would reject a pipeline — especially one from Canada, Swift said.
In November of that year, activists reviewed the protest methods employed up to that point and concluded they needed new tactics.
Bruno said they talked about protesting at refineries or lobbying industrial users such as shipping companies that might be using fuel sourced in Alberta.
The problem with targeting refineries and companies, however, was there were so many of them that altering the behaviour of one would have a limited impact. Isolating Alberta oil within a company's fuel supply was also impractical, Bruno said.
But when it came to pipelines, at the time, there were only a few major cross-border projects in the works...………..More
 

spilledthebeer

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How the American environmental movement dealt a blow to Alberta's oilpatch


YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



There have been multiple articles written about Yankee interference in Cdn affairs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Over the hill boob David Suzuki even admitted taking several million dollars in donations...........................


in exchange for his condemnation of Alberta oil sands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Curious Cdn

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



There have been multiple articles written about Yankee interference in Cdn affairs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Over the hill boob David Suzuki even admitted taking several million dollars in donations...........................


in exchange for his condemnation of Alberta oil sands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Yanks don't want a drop of their Alberta oil going anywhere but south. Become the 51st State and guarantee that a pipeline is never, ever pushed through to the Coast.
 

spilledthebeer

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So your information proves that generations of LIE-beral



legislators - who all want us to believe they are staunch



defenders of the environment.....................................


have been VERY SLOPPY ABOUT IMPOSING



RESPONSIBLE REGULATIONS ON PIPE LINE



OPERATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is no reason for plumbing to leak...............................


other than sheer cheap ass carelessness by operators!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Preventative maintenance IS NOT SOMETHING that LIE-berals believe in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals operate our sewage and drinking water infrastructure in the same way pipelines are handled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The plumbing is IGNORED till it springs a leak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then LIE-berals act shocked that rusted out and NEGLECTED infrastructure would fail them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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Trans Mountain received $320M in government subsidies in first half 2019: report




Uh...............YOU DO RECALL ..................................


that Our idiot Boy BOUGHT the pipeline right???????????



And after reading the report you mention it seems to me that LIE-berals are mangling the English language yet again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In this case "subsidy" is a LIE-beral euphemism meaning "pay for purchase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are using revenue from oil operations on the east coast...........................


that they CANNOT AFFORD TO CLOSE DOWN............................


because people on the est coast are still willing to consider voting LIE-beral................................


and they are using that east coast revenue to pay for and SHUT DOWN the pipeline........................


because LIE-berals have long ago GIVEN UP trying to win votes in the West!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As I have said before - the pipeline WILL BE BUILT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SHORTLY AFTER we get a change of govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

taxslave

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Trans Mountain received $320M in government subsidies in first half 2019: report
They got some very strange definitions of subsidy. Much along the lines of the BC teachers union claiming our previous Liberal government was cutting education funding because the annual increases in funding were not as high as the union wanted.
 

Hoid

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The oil industry received a $4.5 billion subsidy when the government bought the pipeline for them