Tory MP says we'll be able to drink from oilsands tailing ponds

Cabbagesandking

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You two idiots make it sound like droughts were non existant in the past. The fact is droughts are a fact of life. Neither of you, or any other GW adherents for that matter, can definitively link GW with droughts in Canada or the u.s.

Droughts are not just a fact of life. That is a facile description. Droughts now are conclusively linked to climate change. Thirty years of increasing drought frequency an spread in area to many regions are sufficient time for that conclusion. Particularly as the drought regions ALL fall within changes in atmospheric patterns that are dictated by changing climate.

This was predicted for Alberta a couple of decaeds ago and it is happening.
as is the reduction in river flows in the face of greatly increased demand for water.
You live in a fool's paradise.
 

Cabbagesandking

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Why not? Because it basically stating that droughts are a natural thing? That there is basically no control over them. Nothing about droughts being caused by global warming.
It does not state that droughts are a "natural thing." It describes droughts under natural conditions. If yyou read the piece, you will notice - you don't need the rest, the description of the role of the jet stream. The jet stream has shifted. That is one of the reasons for the topsy turvy weather in the Northern hemisphere.

One part of the reason for the colder winters in some places and warmer ones in others. With the overall much higher mean temperatures.
 

gerryh

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and the droughts from the dirty thirty's was because of GW... cause GW shifted the jet stream? What happened after the 30's till recently? Did GW leave the jet stream alone and let it shift back and now it's decided to shift the jet stream again?
 

Cabbagesandking

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and the droughts from the dirty thirty's was because of GW... cause GW shifted the jet stream? What happened after the 30's till recently? Did GW leave the jet stream alone and let it shift back and now it's decided to shift the jet stream again?
Droughts in the thirties was not caused by Global Warming and I don't have any idea why you say that. There was, though, some warming in the thirties but it was inconsequential compared to what is happening now.

Global warming causes droughts, petros, by shifting the jet stream among other factors. The irony is that there is more moisture to fall but it now falls in different places. As in the now permanent drought in the Horn of Africa. Even where there is more rainfall, there are also droughts because the greater volume falls in heavie storms and in changing seasons. It is very complex but the upshot is droughts and floods that are only going to get worse.
 

Kakato

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I wouldnt drink anything from a tailings pond,the technology they are now useing drys them up but it does'nt do much for the toxins,those go back into the mined out pit where they came from.Thats what tailings ponds are,mined out pits.
As I used to work right in them I can also say I would get a headache,burning eyes and throat within seconds of getting into the slop we were drying out.

 

MapleDog

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I wouldnt drink anything from a tailings pond,the technology they are now useing drys them up but it does'nt do much for the toxins,those go back into the mined out pit where they came from.Thats what tailings ponds are,mined out pits.
As I used to work right in them I can also say I would get a headache,burning eyes and throat within seconds of getting into the slop we were drying out.
So that MP is talking about something he knows nothing about?

kinda like lawyers in court who somehow are expert in medicine and other things.
 

Kakato

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What was the point of the shovel? For vaulting?
Exactly,million and a half for that machine and it had 107 hours on it.Sometimes they dont get to them in time and they just dissapear.Thats why most cell cats have the rads on the roof.

So that MP is talking about something he knows nothing about?

kinda like lawyers in court who somehow are expert in medicine and other things.
They can make a tailings pond dissapear in about 3 years instead of 25 now,that's what the whole TRO program up there is about.Since it is new technology there is a lot of experimenting and tweaking going on at all the mines,they all use the same procedure but have their own ways of useing it.
There will be huge improvements coming as it is perfected.
Suncor and Canadian dewatering were the pioneers of this but all the mines are now useing the same procedure.
 

Redmonton_Rebel

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You two idiots make it sound like droughts were non existant in the past. The fact is droughts are a fact of life. Neither of you, or any other GW adherents for that matter, can definitively link GW with droughts in Canada or the u.s.

See Ad Hominim attacks.

I'm not claiming there have been no droughts in the past, I'm stating that based on the science, more severe droughts and other extreme weather events associated with a warmer global climate will become more common.

And if we slip into a more or less permanent El Nino state as has been predicted by some researchers then the consequences could be severe indeed, and this in conjunction with the rapid retreat of many of the glaciers that help maintain year-round flow of important river systems in this region.

The dumbing down of this nation can be readily seen by the almost total lack of understanding of key issues involving climate change by the very people who keep yelling we need to stop talking about it.

I'm reminded of the movie Idiocracy by a few of the members here, being happy in your ignorance can get you killed, despite claims to the contrary.

and the droughts from the dirty thirty's was because of GW... cause GW shifted the jet stream? What happened after the 30's till recently? Did GW leave the jet stream alone and let it shift back and now it's decided to shift the jet stream again?

And you were refering to us as idiots?

The entire energy balance between incoming solar radiation and out-going longwave radition is being shifted into a higher state which means the Earth's atmosphere must warm to compensate. All that CO2 we're constantly pumping into the atmosphere slows down outgoing radiation effectively raising the altitude that heat is transfered back into space and requiring the atmospheric envelope as a whole to warm.

This in turn drives other system-wide changes like the warming of the oceans which in turn has had a dramatic effect in both the timing and strength of large scale ocean-atmospheric oscillations like ENSO which have a profound influence on weather and climate globally.

We could possibly be heading into a permanent El Nino state which would with regularity create the conditions for severe droughts in western North America and other regions.

If you think that a desert spanning from Mexico to central Alberta is a good thing then just keep supporting what we're currently doing.

People aren't concerned because they're uninformed, once you learn the specifics of Global Warming only a lunatic would want to continue on the path to a much warmer Earth in what is in geological terms a heartbeat.