Torture: crimes with impunity

Cliffy

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Oh , and to say , that the US is not as bad as Russia or some other torturing country is pretty lame. How bad does it have to get before you take it seriously ??? Keep giving the US the pass and it will continue on the same path , but only get worse. The past decade has shown that. Does anyone know what goes on in those secret prisons?? There is more "secrecy" surrounding the US activities now than ever before. Is that how a progressive, dynamic, "wealthy" modern "free" nation operates???
Karma has a way of balancing the scale. The economic collapse may be part of that. But you cannot fault the US alone. There is far more going on this world, behind the scenes, that indicates our governments are just there to give us the illusion of independence when in fact the opposite is true.
 

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A lot of good that does while everyone starves or freezes to death.

True....MAD is MAD.....but it has worked for 60 years. Unfortunately, our enemies no longer have any grip whatsoever on sanity......even on self-preservation.

BTW, they also (we are talking terrorist or terror states here, you know who I mean) do not have the capability to cause an EMP pulse over a very large area..........
 

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Karma has a way of balancing the scale. The economic collapse may be part of that. But you cannot fault the US alone. There is far more going on this world, behind the scenes, that indicates our governments are just there to give us the illusion of independence when in fact the opposite is true.

Agree. What we are seeing now seems like just the beginning of the Karma.

( maybe its just me........but I find the torture , secret prisons, blatantly lying to invade a nation that was no threat, and other things we have seen .....just too barbaric for what I used to consider a modern, and humane nation. Wow.......was I ever wrong. )

MAD is MAD.....but it has worked for 60 years

Has it??? Or have we all been "conditioned" ( brainwashed ) to believe that ??

Also......that assumes that things have not changed in 60 yrs.....and that is completely wrong. New and intelligent approaches are needed One definition of . Insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting different results. If ever that fit the current situation.
 

Cliffy

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Agree. What we are seeing now seems like just the beginning of the Karma.

( maybe its just me........but I find the torture , secret prisons, blatantly lying to invade a nation that was no threat, and other things we have seen .....just too barbaric for what I used to consider a modern, and humane nation. Wow.......was I ever wrong. )
Nature always strives to maintain balance. For every person that raises their consciousness, someone has to lower theirs. Yes, barbarism is on the rise but higher awareness is also. Soon there will be a chasm or rift between the two forces - the day of reckoning. Just make sure you are on the right side of the rift. A long time ago I realized that if you stand and watch a dinosaur dying, you may get killed as it thrashes about in its death throws. Walk away from the dinosaur. It is hard to do when we were brought up to be voyeurs.
 

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What if it could be set up so that each crime-doer experiences the effects of their crime from the subjects points of view?

It would require investment and financing, hiring educated researchers, and would result in fewer spaces in prisons, and fewer jobs for guards, who could be hired the next day to do something better, because I know a guy who took a job as a prison guard and dropped out of university after he accidentally knocked up the girl he loved before they'd finished school.

What if it were possible for wires and visors and ear-pieces and maybe drugs to be put into a criminal for them to feel the effects of their crime subjectively as if they were the one getting it, in order to measure if they were truly psychopathic or just messed up.

It would save a fortune in the long run, plus it would save tonnes of wasted time.

Now that we have lots of south-Asians here, we'd have to include head-sets for the family, so they could feel that the perpetrator is feeling pain for his crime.

And while we're on the subject, what's more important: Let in immigrants by family because you're running away from a cheep sloppy disease infected country and your job is to get them out, or to be smart and worthy of entrance in order to build this civilization up?

Why are you bashing to get in? The Democracy, the Justice or the Money, none of which it was stopping you to do with your own country.

Oh, you're running away from monopolists into the hands of coke-snorting *****-f*cking New York financiers capable of bringing the world down into a global recession?

Try again. What's really the problem.

Is it because you won't accept logic without it messing up your emotion?
 
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petros

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True....MAD is MAD.....but it has worked for 60 years. Unfortunately, our enemies no longer have any grip whatsoever on sanity......even on self-preservation.

BTW, they also (we are talking terrorist or terror states here, you know who I mean) do not have the capability to cause an EMP pulse over a very large area..........
If you can put a sattelite in space you can launch an EMP over USA. It can even be done by balloon. How hard would it be to launch a "stealth" balloon with bupkis for a radar signature? How hard do you think it really is to build a nuclear weapon if you have even just a few oz's of 238? Million dollar facilities or a well equipped technical high school? How about a place like Darra?

Even 3, 200 tonne highschool shop bombs could do enough damage to the electrical grid to kill 10 's of millions without a single person ever being killed by the explosions, radiation or fall out.

Our weakest link is our electrical grid and digital reliance on them controlling potentially lethal facilities.

Remember this? The great blackout of 2003 - CBC Archives

One small 200t nuke over a coal fired power plant in 3 major cities would put 200 million in the dark for weeks to months with no gasoline or water pumps, sewage treatment pumps. telecomm. TV or refrigerated food. A
nd those three cities would have toasted electronics. Cop radios aren't hardened just like cell phones.

10's of thousand of nukes all be came useless when the priveleged world went digital. I don't fear being fried by one. I fear being attacked by someone wanting one of my potatos or a jar of pickles.
 
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"When watching the WTC fall on 9-11, I told my wife: "This is the Americans. Someone is going to pay, big-time". ".....

...and you were correct. this was americas fault. it brought 9/11 upon it`s self. americans are paying still to this day, it`s loss of freedoms, continually being decieved by and lied to, by its elected officials (government).

i, along with tens of millions world wide, exhaled with a sense of relief, while watching those towers come a tumblin down and thinking, finally, america is witnessing live on tv (commercial breaks and all) a sampling of the destruction its been dishing out on other nations for decades (hidden from its US populace, of course by our state-run media). 9/11 (the actual destruction), the media could not control or hide. it was afterall in thier own back yard. though it have since, tried dicing and slicing reasons for its happening, to suite what it`s handlers (govs) will allow.

the usa is not the `most powerful` country in the world. it is the biggest bully in the world that carries the biggest stick. yet a handful of rag-tag `tarrist`, educated and trained in usa for the deed, were able to show the world what it takes to bring down this bully to it`s knees using only box-cutters and of course, the ultimate act of courage and bravery, giving thier lives in doing so.

all this happening, while its leader g-dubya read fairy-tales and its defence department were trying to scrounge up the courage to send up a few jets to `defend` the nation.

fcuking bluffs and cowards today that make up links to the chain, running that (once) great nation.









Ahhhh....the USA being able to destroy the next three largest militarys in the world simultaneously does not consider nuclear weapons.....conventional only.

Two or three nuclear weapons set off in the USA would just piss them off.......and that would be unwise. When watching the WTC fall on 9-11, I told my wife: "This is the Americans. Someone is going to pay, big-time".

Afghanistan did, the Taliban did, al Queda did. Islamists around the world did. Bin Laden did. So did Iraq, simply by being an enemy of the USA.

Set off nukes within the USA, and i Promise you, a large area of land somewhere out there will become a radio-active glass amusement park.
 

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With that vile, slimy, ass-kissing weasle we have as leader of this country, we`d all be wise to look under our seats.
 

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"When watching the WTC fall on 9-11, I told my wife: "This is the Americans. Someone is going to pay, big-time". ".....

...and you were correct. this was americas fault. it brought 9/11 upon it`s self. americans are paying still to this day, it`s loss of freedoms, continually being decieved by and lied to, by its elected officials (government).

i, along with tens of millions world wide, exhaled with a sense of relief, while watching those towers come a tumblin down and thinking, finally, america is witnessing live on tv (commercial breaks and all) a sampling of the destruction its been dishing out on other nations for decades (hidden from its US populace, of course by our state-run media). 9/11 (the actual destruction), the media could not control or hide. it was afterall in thier own back yard. though it have since, tried dicing and slicing reasons for its happening, to suite what it`s handlers (govs) will allow.

the usa is not the `most powerful` country in the world. it is the biggest bully in the world that carries the biggest stick. yet a handful of rag-tag `tarrist`, educated and trained in usa for the deed, were able to show the world what it takes to bring down this bully to it`s knees using only box-cutters and of course, the ultimate act of courage and bravery, giving thier lives in doing so.

all this happening, while its leader g-dubya read fairy-tales and its defence department were trying to scrounge up the courage to send up a few jets to `defend` the nation.

fcuking bluffs and cowards today that make up links to the chain, running that (once) great nation.

Rant deleted, as I see no reason to give this useless troll the satisfaction.......

To JBee:

You are a complete waste of my oxygen.
 

JBeee

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yes you deleted the full-blown still images of folks jumping from the towers and splattering on the side-walks below because you know dam well the US gov is guilty of commiting more appaling atrocities elsewhere both long before and since 9/11....again, the reasoning behind those attacks.

theres a reason our western media will not show its viewers photos of victims of its gov`s actions abroad today. its called hiding/covering up what america has and is guilty of. it perhaps learned a lesson by showing what took place in veitnam in american livingrooms (the blood and guts spilled) during the late 60`s/early 70`s and the resulting actions at home to put a stop to those atrocities thus ending americas free-for-all killing during that defeat.
since those long lost days of real journalism, our govs have made it clear to all american media out-lets....you will only air what suites the current story-line and nothing more else expect to lose your license and/or recieve jail time....or worse.

no colpy...the blood and guts spilled on new york`s side-walks that day is no different (heart-breaking or shocking) than the blood and guts of innocent iraqis or any other nationality by the cowardly, indifferent hands of american gunners hiding amongst the clouds and dropping thier 500 lb bombs on known civilian `targets` below.

and i find it quite two-faced of you to think differently.













Rant deleted, as I see no reason to give this useless troll the satisfaction.......

To JBee:

You are a complete waste of my oxygen.
 

DaSleeper

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JBeee, I hope that someday some of your beloved will plant a bomb under your most deserving ass.

The only thing I wish on JBeee is a weekend alone with Ann Coulter ..packing heat....he would come out a changed man....


 

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JBeee, I hope that someday some of your beloved will plant a bomb under your most deserving ass.


and that kind of revenge wishing attitude is exactly what germinates the terrorist movement. It is also what drives the USG as it pretends to find "justice" for the one terror act that it is suspiciously complicit in. Anyone who doubts that is not paying attention.

Torture is a form of terrorism. The US does it. It is official policy now. Secret prisons with no oversight, and guarded with "shoot to kill " guards that protect these vile places is another US policy. Now.

What is completely shameful is how the ones in power continue to justify their atrocious actions while condemning anyone else that does things similar. THAT defines hypocracy in its most ugly form.

Be careful what you wish for....... you might get it ten fold.

The only thing I wish on JBeee is a weekend alone with Ann Coulter ..packing heat....he would come out a changed man....



THAT is inflamatory and disgusting. They should send her to deal with the terror groups ...That would put the fear of life into these suicidal social misfits. She is the US stockpile of WMD all rolled up into one dangerous package ....with a mouth
 

JBeee

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don`t go getting colpy jealous now. *grin*


The only thing I wish on JBeee is a weekend alone with Ann Coulter ..packing heat....he would come out a changed man....



"THAT is inflamatory and disgusting. They should send her to deal with the terror groups ...That would put the fear of life into these suicidal social misfits. She is the US stockpile of WMD all rolled up into one dangerous package ....with a mouth"....

lmao.....but dammit i find that bitch sexy for some perverse reason!!



and that kind of revenge wishing attitude is exactly what germinates the terrorist movement. It is also what drives the USG as it pretends to find "justice" for the one terror act that it is suspiciously complicit in. Anyone who doubts that is not paying attention.

Torture is a form of terrorism. The US does it. It is official policy now. Secret prisons with no oversight, and guarded with "shoot to kill " guards that protect these vile places is another US policy. Now.

What is completely shameful is how the ones in power continue to justify their atrocious actions while condemning anyone else that does things similar. THAT defines hypocracy in its most ugly form.

Be careful what you wish for....... you might get it ten fold.



THAT is inflamatory and disgusting. They should send her to deal with the terror groups ...That would put the fear of life into these suicidal social misfits. She is the US stockpile of WMD all rolled up into one dangerous package ....with a mouth
 

DaSleeper

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The only thing I wish on JBeee is a weekend alone with Ann Coulter ..packing heat....he would come out a changed man....



What is completely shameful is how the ones in power continue to justify their atrocious actions while condemning anyone else that does things similar. THAT defines hypocracy in its most ugly form.

Be careful what you wish for....... you might get it ten fold.



THAT is inflamatory and disgusting. They should send her to deal with the terror groups ...That would put the fear of life into these suicidal social misfits. She is the US stockpile of WMD all rolled up into one dangerous package ....with a mouth

Jealousy will get you nowhere.....