Toronto Mayor Rob Ford in 'crack cocaine' video scandal

[JLM]

Just think of the repercussions the G&M story might have had they released it early November 2012 rather than keeping it in the can....

WTF is G & M?

 

[Walter]

WTF is G & M?

Globe and Mail. In my house we call it the Gob and Puke.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Wow, this has the potential to get very ugly if some of these claims prove to be genuine.

Doug Ford: Drug Dealing Allegations 'Disgusting'

The Globe’s report, an investigative article released Saturday, says multiple unnamed sources characterized Ford as “a go-to dealer of hash” in the Toronto suburb of Etobicoke for many years, mostly in the 1980s.

“Some of the sources said that, in the affluent pocket of Etobicoke where the Fords grew up, he was someone who sold not only to users and street-level dealers, but to dealers one rung higher than those on the street,” the article said.

It also cites sister Kathy Ford’s links to violence and white supremacists, and decades-old charges of assault causing bodily harm and forcible confinement against brother Randy Ford, which reportedly had to do with a neighbourhood drug dealer. The Globe couldn't determine the outcome of the charges. Toronto Mayor Rob Ford's lawyer, Dennis Morris, who represented Randy at the time, said he did not recall the incident, the paper reported.

Either Doug Ford has one hell of a good lawsuit on his hands... or he's a pathetic loser who has no business being in politics.

Globe investigation: The Ford family’s history with drug dealing - The Globe and Mail

Well before the events of the past week, The Globe and Mail began to research the Ford brothers in an effort to chronicle their lives before rising to prominence in Canada’s largest city. Over the past 18 months, it has sought out and interviewed dozens of people who knew them in their formative years.

What has emerged is a portrait of a family once deeply immersed in the illegal drug scene. All three of the mayor’s older siblings – brother Randy, 51, and sister Kathy, 52, as well as Doug, 48 – have had ties to drug traffickers.

Ten people who grew up with Doug Ford – a group that includes two former hashish suppliers, three street-level drug dealers and a number of casual users of hash – have described in a series of interviews how for several years Mr. Ford was a go-to dealer of hash. These sources had varying degrees of knowledge of his activities: Some said they purchased hash directly from him, some said they supplied him, while others said they observed him handling large quantities of the drug.

Looks like brother Randy was arrested as part of a drug related kidnapping.

One of those arrested was Randy Ford, who was 24 at the time. Court records retrieved from the Archives of Ontario show that he was charged with assault causing bodily harm and the forcible confinement of Mr. Orlando. The records do not disclose how the case was resolved. Randy Ford’s lawyer at the time, Dennis Morris – currently representing Rob Ford in the controversy over the alleged crack-cocaine video – said he did not recall the incident. He questioned the allegations surrounding the Ford family’s past: “What’s the point, other than a smear campaign?”

Starts to sound more and more plausible the more you read.

Most recently, in January, 2012, her long-time boyfriend, a convicted cocaine and hash dealer named Scott MacIntyre, was charged with threatening to murder the mayor at his Etobicoke home. He eventually pleaded guilty to a lesser offence and was given credit for time served.

(In a brief interview with CBC after the alleged death threat, Doug Ford said: “To be honest with you, I really don’t know Scott MacIntyre.” Photographs and video taken on the night of the 2010 election show that Mr. MacIntyre was part of the small group of family members celebrating with the new mayor, his wife, Renata, and Doug.)

Ms. Ford’s relationship with Mr. MacIntyre is even more perplexing because of an earlier incident: In 2005, he and another man were accused of shooting her in the face during an altercation in her parents’ basement. She survived the blast and was rushed to hospital, while Mr. MacIntyre fled in her mother’s Jaguar. Crown prosecutors later dropped numerous charges against him, while his co-accused, Michael Patania, pleaded guilty to one count of possession of a handgun.

But even before that, there was gunplay – and it was fatal. Seven years earlier, Ms. Ford’s lover was fatally shot by her ex-husband, a drug addict named Ennio Stirpe. At his trial, Mr. Stirpe testified that his victim, Michael Kiklas, was a martial artist, which forced him to bring along the shotgun as “an equalizer.”

Not mentioned in the press at the time was the fact that Mr. Kiklas was a white supremacist – a group with which Ms. Ford associated in the 1980s.

Which raises the question, how did Rob Ford get to be mayor in the first place, were the press totally asleep?

This is one messed up family, I'm starting to see why Rob Ford acts like such a sociopath.

 

[Goober]

Wow, this has the potential to get very ugly if some of these claims prove to be genuine.

Doug Ford: Drug Dealing Allegations 'Disgusting'



Either Doug Ford has one hell of a good lawsuit on his hands... or he's a pathetic loser who has no business being in politics.

Globe investigation: The Ford family’s history with drug dealing - The Globe and Mail



Looks like brother Randy was arrested as part of a drug related kidnapping.



Starts to sound more and more plausible the more you read.





Which raises the question, how did Rob Ford get to be mayor in the first place, were the press totally asleep?

This is one messed up family, I'm starting to see why Rob Ford acts like such a sociopath.

Ford and his brother are their own worst enemies. Yet all the news stories are just that, stories, allegations, unnamed sources, nothing proven in a court as the NP stated.

And if he was that big of a dealer, should be thousands who would know that.

SO CK - where have you been when Libs are caught with their hands in the cookie jar? No threads- No nothing.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...report-that-he-sold-drugs-during-high-school/

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Doug Ford looks poleaxed in this video.

Doug Ford responds to allegations - Politics - CBC Player

He also says he won't sue, so how serious is he about defending his "good" name. If they fabricated this he could hammer them in court.

Ford and his brother are their own worst enemies. Yet all the news stories are just that, stories, allegations, unnamed sources, nothing proven in a court as the NP stated.

And if he was that big of a dealer, should be thousands who would know that.

SO CK - where have you been when Libs are caught with their hands in the cookie jar? No threads- No nothing.

Toronto Councillor Doug Ford denies that he sold drugs in high school | Posted Toronto | National Post

He wasn't alleged to be a street level dealer, read the story. Some of the convicted dealers who were sources for the story claim he was very good at staying out of public view.

I wasn't on this site when the Liberals were in power federally, I also didn't like the abuses of power when they were in office. One doesn't justify the other, this isn't a partisan issue, it's a basic public accountability one.

Having such a dysfunctional and almost openly sociopathic mayor and supporters surely can't be good for Toronto and Canada at large.

I'd be more than happy with fiscally responsible, democratically minded and honest conservatives in power...that doesn't to seem to even happen anymore.

 

[Goober]

Doug Ford looks poleaxed in this video.

Doug Ford responds to allegations - Politics - CBC Player

He also says he won't sue, so how serious is he about defending his "good" name. If they fabricated this he could hammer them in court.



He wasn't alleged to be a street level dealer, read the story. Some of the convicted dealers who were sources for the story claim he was very good at staying out of public view.

I wasn't on this site when the Liberals were in power federally, I also didn't like the abuses of power when they were in office. One doesn't justify the other, this isn't a partisan issue, it's a basic public accountability one.

Having such a dysfunctional and almost openly sociopathic mayor and supporters surely can't be good for Toronto and Canada at large.

I'd be more than happy with fiscally responsible, democratically minded and honest conservatives in power...that doesn't to seem to even happen anymore.

In the drug trade names always travel. He was alleged to be a drug dealer, not Scarface. If that was the case many would have known about it. Just the way it works.

 

[JLM]

Wow, this has the potential to get very ugly if some of these claims prove to be genuine.

Doug Ford: Drug Dealing Allegations 'Disgusting'



Either Doug Ford has one hell of a good lawsuit on his hands... or he's a pathetic loser who has no business being in politics.

Globe investigation: The Ford family’s history with drug dealing - The Globe and Mail



Looks like brother Randy was arrested as part of a drug related kidnapping.



Starts to sound more and more plausible the more you read.





Which raises the question, how did Rob Ford get to be mayor in the first place, were the press totally asleep?

This is one messed up family, I'm starting to see why Rob Ford acts like such a sociopath.

According to Gerry, one can't draw those conclusions! I personally am not convinced the family is on par with the Cleavers-

 

[Goober]

According to Gerry, one can't draw those conclusions! I personally am not convinced the family is on par with the Cleavers-

All we have is innuendo. Check the libel laws in Canada. It is near impossible to win. And it can cost millions.

 

[Ron in Regina]

.....Which raises the question, how did Rob Ford get to be mayor in the first place, were the press totally asleep?

This is one messed up family, I'm starting to see why Rob Ford acts like such a sociopath.

From the outside looking in, I'm assuming the majority of the voting public in
Toronto voted for this guy. Just an assumption, & I know the ***/u/me thing.

We all have black sheep in out family. Hell, some of us are the back sheep in
our families!! Do you judge the rest of the family based on one, or even some?
Your call.

I, myself, still haven't seen this video, so I'm reserving judgment in an "innocent
'till proven guilty" sort'a thing.....

I don't know much about this "Rob Ford" beyond the fact that the majority of the
voting folks in Toronto must voted for him in recent memory, or I wouldn't have even
have heard his name out here, but he must'a scared the living bajeebee's out'a a vocal
minority or I'm assuming I'd still not have heard of this dude out here on the prairies.

(P.S. Without a webseach, can you name the mayor of Regina?)

In search of balance, and just out'a curiosity, can you name five positive things that
this "Rob Ford" has done for the city of Toronto in the time that he's held the office?
I, myself, can't....as I don't live out that way....but I'm assuming the panic and ruffled
feathers surrounding this "Ford" have to come from someplace.....

 

[DaSleeper]

Most city councils have a little clique, and he's the outsider that wouldn't play ball with that clique, so they are now trying to replace him with an insider who will play their little games.....

 

[Goober]

Most city councils have a little clique, and he's the outsider that wouldn't play ball with that clique, so they are now trying to replace him with an insider who will play their little games.....

Well he is not a silk suited nor a silver tongued speaker that after they have been in power for a time many find out how much they cost the taxpayer.

 

[Mowich]

Maybe when I see photos of a skinny Rob Ford sporting numerous zits and a mouthful of rotting teeth.........I'll give some credence to the story..........till then, I'm with Ron. Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Locutus]

Produce the video!"

Sun News : Warmington: Mayor Ford not down for the count

 

[Sal]

Maybe when I see photos of a skinny Rob Ford sporting numerous zits and a mouthful of rotting teeth.........I'll give some credence to the story..........till then, I'm with Ron. Innocent until proven guilty.

pffffffffffffffft good point

 

[SLM]

Crack Cocaine Scandal. Nice to see we've now completely descended into tabloid journalism 100%.

I really don't care one way or the other about Mayor Rob Ford, personally I find him rather boorish but that's just a personal opinion based on observed behaviour. What I am really sick to death of though is tabloid-esque news headlines that do nothing but detract from actual issues of government, be they at Federal, Provincial or Municipal levels.

 

[Sal]

Crack Cocaine Scandal. Nice to see we've now completely descended into tabloid journalism 100%.

I really don't care one way or the other about Mayor Rob Ford, personally I find him rather boorish but that's just a personal opinion based on observed behaviour. What I am really sick to death of though is tabloid-esque news headlines that do nothing but detract from actual issues of government, be they at Federal, Provincial or Municipal levels.

but, but, but the masses must be entertained

 

[SLM]

but, but, but the masses must be entertained

Can the masses not just get HBO?

 

[JLM]

Crack Cocaine Scandal. Nice to see we've now completely descended into tabloid journalism 100%.

I really don't care one way or the other about Mayor Rob Ford, personally I find him rather boorish but that's just a personal opinion based on observed behaviour. What I am really sick to death of though is tabloid-esque news headlines that do nothing but detract from actual issues of government, be they at Federal, Provincial or Municipal levels.

I think the key to situations like this is "open mindedness". While having no idea myself of his guilt or innocense, I think one must be prepared for the possibility that some one knows more than we do, so won't be shocked either way when the full story comes out.

 

[SLM]

I think the key to situations like this is "open mindedness". While having no idea myself of his guilt or innocense, I think one must be prepared for the possibility that some one knows more than we do, so won't be shocked either way when the full story comes out.

It's not that I don't think that he is incapable of succumbing to any addiction, it's happens everyday for people in all walks of life. While I've not followed every piece written on this, the first thing I always think is 'consider the source'. The source, as far as I can determine, is hardly the most forth-coming, honest group of citizens. So while there certainly have been over the top allegations against major public figures in the past that have turned out to be true, given all the players in this little drama it seems to me to be highly questionable to continue printing headlines. It is tabloid journalism, period.

 

[Locutus]

All brought to you by the toronto star; your moral and intellectual superiors...dontcha know.

Example:

Star overdid ‘Somali’ references in first report of drug dealers peddling Rob Ford crack video: Public Editor

Star overdid ‘Somali’ references in first report of drug dealers peddling Rob Ford crack video: Public Editor | Toronto Star


Toronto mayor Rob Ford crack scandal, Somalis own the evidence - Page 5




via scaramouche:


Toronto Star Apologizes for That Sleazy Rob-Ford-Smokes-Crack Story--But Not to Ford


The Star apologizes (abjectly and profusely) to local Somalis for referring to "Somali drug dealers" in the above-mentioned sleazy report:

We all agree greater sensitivity was called for. While the newsroom stands by its judgment of the relevance of the “Somali”references, numerous reports this week have made little mention of the sources’ background. That first troubling story, which was written in great haste on deadline, was revised shortly after publication with half of the “Somali” references edited out.
​

“We realize the first version of the story used ‘Somali’ too heavily,” Managing Editor Jane Davenport told me.
​

“We understand why the community is upset and we apologize.”
​

My, Jane, that is extra-sensitive of you. I bet Rob Ford would love to get in on a bit of that sensitivity. But since he's fat, white and on the right, I guess it's no way Jose, eh?

And speaking of sleazy reporting--Canada's newspaper of record spent a year and a half looking into claims by ten--count 'em ten--unnamed sources that some 30 years ago Rob's bro Doug was into hash (and I don't mean the corned beef variety)? Seriously?

Does it seem to you (as it does to me) that the brothers Ford are having a disastrous effect on journalistic integrity/ethics in this city?

Scaramouche!: Toronto Star Apologizes for That Sleazy Rob-Ford-Smokes-Crack Story--But Not to Ford


'nuther angle:

Mayor Ford Affair: Star Apologizes To Somali Community For Crack Dealer References But Says It's Not Racist When They Do It



At every stop, they point out that the individuals involved are Somali. ‘Somali’ appears 11 times in the article, exactly as many times as the word ‘crack,’ ” Aidid said. “I am deeply hurt by this.
“Is it so salient a fact that it warrants mention as often as the drug in question?”
That is a fair question...Let’s look first at why the Star considers the Somali references fair to report here.

Big Hat tip to Scaramouche who has more.

Meanwhile there are interesting comments in this Somali Forum, pay attention to "Safferz" who is considering staying in the States after they "graduate"


http://www.blazingcatfur.blogspot.ca/2013/05/mayor-ford-affair-star-apologizes-to.html