Tories in damage control over abortion funding

darkbeaver

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The clearest sign the Harper is really NO Conservative at all, is on this issue, which he has deemed to be 'closed' and 'settled'. He was never interested in this, the greatest HOLOCAUST in history, as with most of those who started their political careers in the Reform Party.

He has one agenda, dictated to him by the running dogs of the Global Investment Organism.. the IMF, WTO and World Bank.. his puppet masters.. and that is to completely dismantle Canada's Economic Sovereignty and feed us to the waiting jaws of Wall Street and global trading and investment interests.

The agenda is completely AMORAL. It cares nothing about protecting the most vulnerable in our society. Its mandate is to enslave labour to the dictates of capital, by using borders to their advantage, to play one country off against another in game of pitting one desperate workforce against another.. for the enrichment of the few.

Harper is a hypocrite.. a buffoon.. and a true NEO-consevative, an imposter and parasite, sapping the lifeblood from real conservatism.

He is quasi man of these times a poison apple on stolen and subverted conservative stock. He is a very bad omen. He will lead us to war and ruin. All of the contenders will do the same to sleep with the real power.
 

gerryh

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If you are the one worried about having to support the child, don't have sex, it's quite simple. That's your worry, right? Quite trying to complicate it with your double standard BS


In that case, the same can be said about the woman then. If she doesn't want to give birth, then she shouldn't have sex.
 

cranky

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You're the one going on about virtuous morals and whatnot, so it's fair to assume that you belong to a backwood chapel in the badlands of Alberta. Correct?

I meant to go on about the perception of life being special. I suppose its natural to assume a christian connection, but thats not the case.

Every watch a movie called "Paint you wagon red"? where they couldn't share the woman as a wife, so they shared her as a 'mining claim' LOL well, that was a good example of how mining law can be used. I grew up in a mining town.Anyways, what I'm saying is I am not some bible thumping sod boy. My values are tied to family and a sense of community. I suppose the bible thumpers find that important too, so excuse me if that was confusing to you

/rant
 

coldstream

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He is quasi man of these times a poison apple on stolen and subverted conservative stock. He is a very bad omen. He will lead us to war and ruin. All of the contenders will do the same to sleep with the real power.

Yes.. it will fail, profoundly and catastrophically. No civilization has lost all understanding of a moral absolute and survived.. Once it feeds its own children to the sacrificial fires of a completely illusory idol of 'freedom' .. it has given up all sense of its future. It will immolate itself in its own relativism.
 

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Yes.. it will fail, profoundly and catastrophically. No civilization has lost all understanding of a moral absolute and survived.. Once it feeds its own children to the sacrificial fires of a completely illusory idol of 'freedom' .. it has given up all sense of its future. It will immolate itself in its own relativism.
That is a relatively personal opinion, but I think you have it back asswards. All empires rise and fall pretty much by the same patterns. This decline and decadence are inevitable because civilizations are un-natural to any species. We are overpopulating the planet, our species is under stress and so is the planet. This puts all other species under the same stress. Many of the activities that the religious find abhorrent and immoral are a product of that stress. It is natural, a subconscious attempt at relieving that stress. To think that we can just reproduce ad infinitum is absurd as looking at any other species and its behaviour will show.

We will decline not because of loss of moral compass but because our population is out of control. It is not a moral issue it is a psychological one - we have become egotistical maniacs thinking that we are the only important species on the planet and that we have a god given right to this planet and all its resources. We will decline because of our arrogance, ignorance and stupidity.
 

coldstream

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Many of the activities that the religious find abhorrent and immoral are a product of that stress.
Good grief, cliffy, where do you get this nonsense.

You cannot compare the human condition to that of any other species. Look around.. do you see anything resembling humans in the animal world. It's fair to say that humans are quite capable of becoming animals.. but there is never a case where animals become truly human.

Civilizations are natural.. in fact essential to the human cause. Without them there is anarchy. Morality is the bedrock of civilizations, through religious sentiment, again unique to humans.

The uniqueness of the human condition stems from one attribute.. they are made in the Image of God. They are imbued with reason and free will. They have the tools of language and conscience, and the ability, if they choose to use them to discern good from evil.

That is utterly unique and always will be. It is the psycho babble of the last 40 years substituting itself as a pseudo morality that is leading us to ruin.
 
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gerryh

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"anti-abortion"? nice choice of words for someone that is pro-life


I'm sorry.... pro life? Do they/him object to war? oppose the death penalty? If not, then it is anti abortion, not pro-life.
 

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Good grief, cliffy, where do you get this nonsense.

You cannot compare the human condition to that of any other species. Look around.. do you see anything resembling humans in the animal world. It's fair to say that humans are quite capable of becoming animals.. but there is never a case where animals become truly human.

Civilizations are natural.. in fact essential to the human cause. Without them there is anarchy. Morality is the bedrock of civilizations, through religious sentiment, again unique to humans.

The uniqueness of the human condition stems from one attribute.. they are made in the Image of God. They are imbued with reason and free will. They have the tools of language and conscience, and the ability, if they choose to use them to discern good from evil.

That is utterly unique and always will be. It is the psycho babble of the last 40 years substituting itself as a pseudo morality that is leading us to ruin.
That is your assumption that there is a god and that it created humans in its own image. That is not the belief of the majority of humans. The majority do not believe in the bible or its god.

Humans are just a part of the biodiversity of the biosphere called Earth, an integral and interdependent part of the web of life. We are not any more important than any other life form within that web. The main thing that separates us from all other species is our ego, our concept of self importance and that is, by any other name, a psychosis.

Civilization is like an anaerobic bacterial colony in your colon. When it grows too large it produces foul smelling gas. It is like intellectual hot air produced by the ego.
 
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coldstream

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Civilization is like an anaerobic bacterial colony in your colon. When it grows too large it produces foul smelling gas. It is like intellectual hot air produced by the ego
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:lol: :rolleyes: I have to admit, cliffy, that you garnish your nonsense with a bit of scatological flair, but that doesn't make in any less nonsensical.
 

Liberalman

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The Bible belt Conservative supporters must be taken care of and abortion is a big no no

When Harper gets the majority that has eluded him for years the Bible will replace the Human Rights Act.

Immorality will not be tolerated or funded.

Women will be chased back into the kitchen and out of the work place and the only jobs they will have is baby makers or child care workers or elderly care and the men will take care of the more important work like God intended for them.

Now this is the thinking of the Reform Conservatives and the Progressive Conservatives are always battling them and the new Conservative party is on the verge of fracturing and this is the only reason why they can’t get the majority.

The fracturing of a political party has happened before like when the Reform party dumped Preston Manning and when the Liberal party dumped Jean Chretien.

This is why voting Conservative in this federal election is a real gamble because no one knows the real Conservative party.
 

JLM

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The Bible belt Conservative supporters must be taken care of and abortion is a big no no

When Harper gets the majority that has eluded him for years the Bible will replace the Human Rights Act.

Immorality will not be tolerated or funded.

Women will be chased back into the kitchen and out of the work place and the only jobs they will have is baby makers or child care workers or elderly care and the men will take care of the more important work like God intended for them.

Now this is the thinking of the Reform Conservatives and the Progressive Conservatives are always battling them and the new Conservative party is on the verge of fracturing and this is the only reason why they can’t get the majority.

The fracturing of a political party has happened before like when the Reform party dumped Preston Manning and when the Liberal party dumped Jean Chretien.

This is why voting Conservative in this federal election is a real gamble because no one knows the real Conservative party.

Don't you think perhaps you are sensationalizing a tad? I doubt if women are going to be "chased" back into the kitchen. It might not be a bad idea if a few women did get back "into the bedroom". The way it is now natural population growth is in the negative and we are importing immigrants to sustain the population. Not all immigrants are bad by any stretch, but we certain do have our share of problems caused by bad immigrants. Many of the women who do have children are putting it off until the close to the end of the window before menopause. Medical experts say that the healthiest children are born to women who have them early in their child producing window. :smile:
 

Taxx

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Abortion is an issue that people will continuously fight. However I fail to see how people can complain that the government is in debt, yet question when this kind of funding is slashed. I'd wager that at least some of the people that complain about the conservatives are anti-abortion. Pick a side.
 

cranky

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Abortion is an issue that people will continuously fight. However I fail to see how people can complain that the government is in debt, yet question when this kind of funding is slashed. I'd wager that at least some of the people that complain about the conservatives are anti-abortion. Pick a side.

Yes I'll bet that too. there are Liberals against abortion. the are NDP against abortion. abortion isn't well aligned with any one party as it isn't really a political ideal.
 

Taxx

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Good point about how there are people from most parties who are against it. I'll add in that there are people from most parties who support it as well.
 

cranky

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Good point about how there are people from most parties who are against it. I'll add in that there are people from most parties who support it as well.

my personal opinion: I support it but with active reluctance. ie I recognize that not allowing abortion would be cruel, yet I have this strong fear that we are abusing it.
 

cranky

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in some ways, we would be better to listen to their opinions than their promises, we might get a better idea of how they will represent us.