Tories in damage control over abortion funding

DurkaDurka

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wow, I just dont buy into this crap about how a child can ruin a person's life. This is 2010 not 1970, if you have a child, you can still go to school, you can still get a good paying job, its actually socially acceptable enough that it doesn't ruin your chances of finding a good spouse in the future.


WTF are you going on about it and what does your reply have to do with what I posted?
 

DurkaDurka

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yep, double standard there. If the father wants the child, the woman still has the right to abort. If the father doesn't want the child, the woman can keep the child ( with a built in pay check)

It's her body and you have a choice on whether to shag her or not. Deposit your semen in a balloon next time. :)

you brought up christianity, I should ask you the same thing.

You're the one going on about virtuous morals and whatnot, so it's fair to assume that you belong to a backwood chapel in the badlands of Alberta. Correct?
 

mentalfloss

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wow, I just dont buy into this crap about how a child can ruin a person's life. This is 2010 not 1970.


Human Population in 1970:




Human Population Now:





World Population Clock
 

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It's her body and you have a choice on whether to shag her or not. Deposit your semen in a balloon next time. :)

there are plenty of possible scenarios where the man is no more or no less irresponsible with their choice of birth control, yet the woman not only has the right to keep the child but she has the right to demand support to a father that is willing to pay for the costs of the abortion.

the double standard doesn't just exist with the woman's body, it exists with the man's pocket book.

Human Population Now:




Human Population in 20 Years:




World Population Clock

when I was young scientists didnt beleive that the world could sustain 6billion people, why should I be worried about 8 billion in 20 years from now?
 

DurkaDurka

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there are plenty of possible scenarios where the man is no more or no less irresponsible with their choice of birth control, yet the woman not only has the right to keep the child but she has the right to demand support to a father that is willing to pay for the costs of the abortion.

the double standard doesn't just exist with the woman's body, it exists with the man's pocket book.



when I was young scientists didnt beleive that the world could sustain 6billion people, why should I be worried about 8 billion in 20 years from now?

Don't have sex then, problem solved.
 

DurkaDurka

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thats a double standard if applied to men but not women.

If you are the one worried about having to support the child, don't have sex, it's quite simple. That's your worry, right? Quite trying to complicate it with your double standard BS
 

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If you are the one worried about having to support the child, don't have sex, it's quite simple. That's your worry, right? Quite trying to complicate it with your double standard BS

If you are the woman that is worried about having support for your child then dont have sex with a man that doesnt want one. Quit trying to make this into a man thing.
 

mentalfloss

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when I was young scientists didnt beleive that the world could sustain 6billion people, why should I be worried about 8 billion in 20 years from now?

Well me and you will be just fine. But if the trend continues into the next century...

Some problems associated with or exacerbated by human overpopulation:

  • Inadequate fresh water[182] for drinking water use as well as sewage treatment and effluent discharge. Some countries, like Saudi Arabia, use energy-expensive desalination to solve the problem of water shortages.[205][206]
  • Depletion of natural resources, especially fossil fuels[207]
  • Increased levels of air pollution, water pollution, soil contamination and noise pollution. Once a country has industrialized and become wealthy, a combination of government regulation and technological innovation causes pollution to decline substantially, even as the population continues to grow.[208]
  • Deforestation and loss of ecosystems[209] that sustain global atmospheric oxygen and carbon dioxide balance; about eight million hectares of forest are lost each year.[210]
  • Changes in atmospheric composition and consequent global warming[211][212]
  • Irreversible loss of arable land and increases in desertification[213] Deforestation and desertification can be reversed by adopting property rights, and this policy is successful even while the human population continues to grow.[214]
  • Mass species extinctions.[215] from reduced habitat in tropical forests due to slash-and-burn techniques that sometimes are practiced by shifting cultivators, especially in countries with rapidly expanding rural populations; present extinction rates may be as high as 140,000 species lost per year.[216] As of 2008, the IUCN Red List lists a total of 717 animal species having gone extinct during recorded human history.[217]
  • High infant and child mortality.[218] High rates of infant mortality are caused by poverty. Rich countries with high population densities have low rates of infant mortality.[219]
  • Intensive factory farming to support large populations. It results in human threats including the evolution and spread of antibiotic resistant bacteria diseases, excessive air and water pollution, and new virus that infect humans.
  • Increased chance of the emergence of new epidemics and pandemics[220] For many environmental and social reasons, including overcrowded living conditions, malnutrition and inadequate, inaccessible, or non-existent health care, the poor are more likely to be exposed to infectious diseases.[221]
  • Starvation, malnutrition[181] or poor diet with ill health and diet-deficiency diseases (e.g. rickets). However, rich countries with high population densities do not have famine.[222]
  • Poverty coupled with inflation in some regions and a resulting low level of capital formation. Poverty and inflation are aggravated by bad government and bad economic policies. Many countries with high population densities have eliminated absolute poverty and keep their inflation rates very low.[223]
  • Low life expectancy in countries with fastest growing populations[224]
  • Unhygienic living conditions for many based upon water resource depletion, discharge of raw sewage[225] and solid waste disposal. However, this problem can be reduced with the adoption of sewers. For example, after Karachi, Pakistan installed sewers, its infant mortality rate fell substantially.[226]
  • Elevated crime rate due to drug cartels and increased theft by people stealing resources to survive[227]
  • Conflict over scarce resources and crowding, leading to increased levels of warfare[228]
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You see what kind of problem we'll have if everyone is f'ing like rabbits and forced to keep their litter.

Children just aren't that special.

Sorry.
 

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Well spreading rumors is what the Liberal party of Canada is best at. Hypocrisy being a close second.

Hmm... well... so far Harper's crew are holding the gold-standard for out-and-out lying. But that's not the same as spreading rumors, right?

As for hypocrisy... come on... have you compared Harper's election promises from 2006 to what he actually did?

Anyway, I was thinking, and I have a question for the merged PC/Reform/National-Citizens-Coalition Tories (who should be called Borg-Tories, because they're Borgs who speak not from a mind of their own; if they get a majority then Canada will be assimilated, and resistance will be futile) and it has to do with gays and abortion.

Specifically, suppose gayness is genetic, and suppose an amniotic test of a fetus's DNA can show if it will be gay or lesbian.

Should the mother abort?

According to Borg-Tories, gayness is a sin, but so is abortion.

Do two sins make a grace?
 
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Well me and you will be just fine. But if the trend continues into the next century...

Some problems associated with or exacerbated by human overpopulation.

The big problem is emerging economies.

It's all fine when the hungriest consumers make up a tenth of the worlds population but happens when that doubles?

Pollution.....food....water....energy.....resources.....etc etc.

Todds' never think about this stuff because God says it will all be okay.:roll:

Isn't that right Ray?
 

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Hmm... well... so far Harper's crew are holding the gold-standard for out-and-out lying. But that's not the same as spreading rumors, right?

As for hypocrisy... come on... have you compared Harper's election speeches from 2006 to what he ended up actually doing?

Anyway, I was thinking, and I have a question for the merged PC/Reform/National-Citizens-Coalition Tories (who should be called Borg-Tories, because they're Borgs who speak not from a mind of their own; if they get a majority then Canada will be assimilated and resistance will be futile) and it has to do with gays and abortion.

Specifically, suppose gayness is genetic, and suppose an amniotic test of a fetus's DNA can show if it will be gay or lesbian.

Should the mother abort?

According to Borg-Tories, gayness is a sin, but so is abortion.

Do two sins make a grace?

aborting makes it harder for gays and lesbians to adopt.

The big problem is emerging economies.

It's all fine when the hungriest consumers make up a tenth of the worlds population but happens when that doubles?

Pollution.....food....water....energy.....resources.....etc etc.

Todds' never think about this stuff because God says it will all be okay.:roll:

Isn't that right Ray?

the impoverished will have more people to sell their bananas and coffee beans to. whats the problem?

and another thing, I've lived off of bananas and cofee for months, so why are they starving, hasnt anyone told them that its edible?
 

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And we've now finally reached the inevitable conclusion in the wonderful story of how christians became douchebags..

I hear the epilogue is an absolute blast.
 

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I'm pro-life myself, so a pro-life candidate wins points with me no doubt. that said, I do expect him to be honest about his position during the campaign, and if it true that Planned Parenthood got its funding cut owing to its funding of abortion, while I'd agree with such a move in principle, the government should have made its reason clear from the start. Harper's secrecy is deeply worrying, to the point that even pro-lifers like myself shy away from him.

If you're going to be pro-life, then be honest about it.
 

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The clearest sign the Harper is really NO Conservative at all, is on this issue, which he has deemed to be 'closed' and 'settled'. He was never interested in this, the greatest HOLOCAUST in history, as with most of those who started their political careers in the Reform Party.

He has one agenda, dictated to him by the running dogs of the Global Investment Organism.. the IMF, WTO and World Bank.. his puppet masters.. and that is to completely dismantle Canada's Economic Sovereignty and feed us to the waiting jaws of Wall Street and global trading and investment interests.

The agenda is completely AMORAL. It cares nothing about protecting the most vulnerable in our society. Its mandate is to enslave labour to the dictates of capital, by using borders to their advantage, to play one country off against another in game of pitting one desperate workforce against another.. for the enrichment of the few.

Harper is a hypocrite.. a buffoon.. and a true NEO-consevative, an imposter and parasite, sapping the lifeblood from real conservatism.
 

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I'm neither pro or anti, but I'm not sure I understand why that individual (or MP) should not be allowed to have an opinion on the subject of abortion.

Sure they are allowed to have an opinion on abortion. The problem here is that the candidate claimed that "pro-life supporters shaped a decision to “de-fund” Planned Parenthood over its abortion stance." If true, that says volumes about somebody's not so hidden agenda.
 
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