Tories backpeddle on EI rule, say minister speaking in 'generalities'

JLM

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So you don't see the end of the Maritime gravy train as fair?

C.B.C. radio interviewed a woman from Nova Scotia the other night whose husband is a fisherman earning $50,000-$60,000 a year for 13 weeks work and collects E.I. for the other 9 months. She said he'd be quite willing to take work during his time off from fishing, if the pay was reasonably close.
 

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Yes,and he fishes off the dock. You ignorant fck,do you have any idea what a boat costs,or what it costs to maintain,or how hard and dangerous fishing is.You lot are the ones that think Canada only reaches as far as ,meby the Ontario border.
 

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Yes,and he fishes off the dock. You ignorant fck,do you have any idea what a boat costs,or what it costs to maintain,or how hard and dangerous fishing is.You lot are the ones that think Canada only reaches as far as ,meby the Ontario border.

Who is your post directed at?
 

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C.B.C. radio interviewed a woman from Nova Scotia the other night whose husband is a fisherman earning $50,000-$60,000 a year for 13 weeks work and collects E.I. for the other 9 months. She said he'd be quite willing to take work during his time off from fishing, if the pay was reasonably close.
Reasonably close? LMAO!!!

Yes,and he fishes off the dock. You ignorant fck,do you have any idea what a boat costs,or what it costs to maintain,or how hard and dangerous fishing is.You lot are the ones that think Canada only reaches as far as ,meby the Ontario border.
I'm well aware of the overhead of a fishing boat, and the risks the industry faces.

We aren't talking about the owners. We're talking about the crew.

The crew gets paid after the overhead is skimmed off.

And not being able to collect EI for 9 months, after earning $50,000/60,000, in just 3 months, has nothing to with the risk they are compensated for, in that 3 months.

Maybe if you tried to use your brain for more than formulating lame insults, your posts wouldn't be so easily made to look foolish.

Who is your post directed at?
Does it matter? It was lame and stupid.
 

JLM

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Does it matter? It was lame and stupid.

That's what I thought. I was under the impression that the purpose of E.I. was to tide the unemployed over for living costs like food, shelter, clothing etc. and Relic lost me when with his impression that it was to pay for boats and compensate for adverse working conditions, so was hoping he might explain. :lol:
 

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C.B.C. radio interviewed a woman from Nova Scotia the other night whose husband is a fisherman earning $50,000-$60,000 a year for 13 weeks work and collects E.I. for the other 9 months. She said he'd be quite willing to take work during his time off from fishing, if the pay was reasonably close.

Amazingly some people live off a $50,000 to $60,000 salary for an entire year.

Give farmers EI too if fishermen can receive it.

Lol. Watch the fur fly then.

Yes,and he fishes off the dock. You ignorant fck,do you have any idea what a boat costs,or what it costs to maintain,or how hard and dangerous fishing is.You lot are the ones that think Canada only reaches as far as ,meby the Ontario border.

Since when does an employee have to purchase or maintain a boat? As far as the danger in the occupation goes I'd say the $200,00 per annum salary base (as per the example provided) more than adequately compensates for that.

Grow a thicker skin, not everything is a personal freaking insult.
 

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And not being able to collect EI for 9 months, after earning $50,000/60,000, in just 3 months, has nothing to with the risk they are compensated for, in that 3 months.

You'd almost think that one or a few of these deckhands would get together and buy a boat themselves... Then again, that would mean that you would have to work 8 or 9 months for a few years to get that done.

Adds an interesting perspective on the mentality of some folks

Give farmers EI too if fishermen can receive it.

Wouldn't that be something... And relic pisses and moans about the op costs of a boat and crew.

You'd know the numbers on this Petros, what is the equipment cost to seed and harvest grain? We'll leave the costs of the land, fertilizer, pesticides, insurance and diesel out of the equation for now... Brand new - 2 tractors around $400k? Leased, around $12k a month? Am I in the ballpark?
 

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Hey, I know a guy who a department store pays for two weeks of the year to be Santa Claus. :lol:
 

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You'd know the numbers on this Petros, what is the equipment cost to seed and harvest grain? We'll leave the costs of the land, fertilizer, pesticides, insurance and diesel out of the equation for now... Brand new - 2 tractors around $400k? Leased, around $12k a month? Am I in the ballpark?
You're waaaaay off.

Tractors (you need two), seeder, sprayer, swather, cultivater, baler, 10 Tonne truck. You looking at 1.1. to 1.2 Million
 

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Trappers could use it too in summer months.

Couldn't everybody use a few extra bucks in the summertime?

For goodness sake, I get my vacation pay paid out once per year. If I want to take a second week at a later time, it is up to me to set aside enough for that to happen. Somehow I manage. How can someone, as per the example posted, earn 50K in a 13 week period and not have enough to live on after that period ends?

The entire EI system needs a complete overhaul as far as I'm concerned. And not necessarily the way the current government is doing it either. They're taking the political approach which is to tweak it here and there, so as to balance out the potential votes come next election, and will likely leave it in just as much of a mess as when they found it.
 

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Tractors (you need two), seeder, sprayer, cultivater, baler, 10 Tonne truck. You looking at 1.1. to 1.2 Million


Ok.. So I was way low on that.

Add-in the material costs and I'm guessing that this # heads north by a minimum of 30%.

For goodness sake, I get my vacation pay paid out once per year. If I want to take a second week at a later time, it is up to me to set aside enough for that to happen.

Looks like you made a critical error in choosing to live in the real world.

Somehow I manage. How can someone, as per the example posted, earn 50K in a 13 week period and not have enough to live on after that period ends?


Don't these guys go bat-sh*t crazy with nothing to do for 8-9 months?
 

JLM

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The entire EI system needs a complete overhaul as far as I'm concerned. And not necessarily the way the current government is doing it either. They're taking the political approach which is to tweak it here and there, so as to balance out the potential votes come next election, and will likely leave it in just as much of a mess as when they found it.

Yes, perhaps the Fed. Gov't. is trying to solve it using too broad of a brush. E.G. the rules about commuting, every case is a little different, some have cars, some don't, some drive, some don't, some have transit at their door, others don't. Some live in single industry communities and when they are unemployed there simply are no other jobs available anywhere close. On the other hand there are "computer" jobs that can be done at home, so perhaps, some money should go into training and setting people up so they can benefit in that regard. The possibilites are endless!
 

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Yes, perhaps the Fed. Gov't. is trying to solve it using too broad of a brush. E.G. the rules about commuting, every case is a little different, some have cars, some don't, some drive, some don't, some have transit at their door, others don't. Some live in single industry communities and when they are unemployed there simply are no other jobs available anywhere close. On the other hand there are "computer" jobs that can be done at home, so perhaps, some money should go into training and setting people up so they can benefit in that regard. The possibilites are endless!

The biggest problem when government "fixes" things is that they are simply 'patching the roof' and they are mostly patching the roof over the heads of those that will vote them right into another term I don't care what 'party' the government is comprised of, this is what they do. They construct (often)big elaborate short term fixes to long term problems, it's just another method of passing the buck.

But eventually patching the roof is no longer going to be sufficient, at some point you have to put a new roof on!

Now some of these tweaks, or restrictions, are not necessarily bad ideas per se, they just need a bit of common sense applied to make them reasonable on the whole. In other words just have contingencies in place for those who legitimately may have difficulty complying with them.