Tories backpeddle on EI rule, say minister speaking in 'generalities'

JLM

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The biggest problem when government "fixes" things is that they are simply 'patching the roof' and they are mostly patching the roof over the heads of those that will vote them right into another term I don't care what 'party' the government is comprised of, this is what they do. They construct (often)big elaborate short term fixes to long term problems, it's just another method of passing the buck.

But eventually patching the roof is no longer going to be sufficient, at some point you have to put a new roof on!

Now some of these tweaks, or restrictions, are not necessarily bad ideas per se, they just need a bit of common sense applied to make them reasonable on the whole. In other words just have contingencies in place for those who legitimately may have difficulty complying with them.

Right on SLM. With your insight I think you should go after a lucrative contract to fix the problem for them.
 

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Ha! LOL. You couldn't pay me enough to work for or with the government! :)

Yeah, but if you caught them while they were sleeping you could stand to make $millions, not to mention another $halfmillion for expenses.........................:lol:
 

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I did 2 years with NRCan. Never again.

I went to one, one, preliminary cattle call type "interview" with CRA, that was enough for me. Now I spend a good portion of my time talking to the people who were hired. I have to tell you, I dodged a bullet!
 

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Beyond crushes it. I lived in Ottawa for years, I've spent time listening to the 'silly servants' talking. It's scary!

Speed may kill but bureaucracy is a slow, painful death.

Yeah, but you could get free helicopter rides and stay in places like the Savoy. (A job like that would necessitate going to London for something)
 

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Yeah, but you could get free helicopter rides and stay in places like the Savoy. (A job like that would necessitate going to London for something)

Lol. Well I'm afraid of heights so that would nix the nifty helicopter rides at least.

I could do with a trip to London, who couldn't ;), but I think I'll take the more reasonable approach of making a deal with Lucifer for my immortal soul, lol. Same end result but far less paper work. :):):)
 

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I went to one, one, preliminary cattle call type "interview" with CRA, that was enough for me. Now I spend a good portion of my time talking to the people who were hired. I have to tell you, I dodged a bullet!
My mom is a CPA. She did 15 years with the revnoors, learned the ins and outs of the loopholes and went on to do nothing but business taxes for the past 30 years
 

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My mom is a CPA. She did 15 years with the revnoors, learned the ins and outs of the loopholes and went on to do nothing but business taxes for the past 30 years

That's the side of the fence I much prefer working on too. And business tax as opposed to personal tax, it's more complex but there is far less variation from file to file. It's the little bits and pieces that drive me nuts, although not as nuts as I'd be on the bureaucratic side of things, lol.
 

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That's the side of the fence I much prefer working on too. And business tax as opposed to personal tax, it's more complex but there is far less variation from file to file. It's the little bits and pieces that drive me nuts, although not as nuts as I'd be on the bureaucratic side of things, lol.
You get shoe boxes full of uncategorized receipts too?
 

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I think they need to abolish EI.. you have a welfare system for people "who don't want to get off their fat asses and get a job." One safety net is enough.

EI is just glamorized welfare... others claim it's for seasonal workers.. what a 6 month paid vacation of the Government, isn't that nice.

People pay into it.. yeah, right you get far more out than you pay in..

I would love an opt out feature on my pay check.. have no need to pay EI or want it.. I have never had a problem finding a job and I am willing to move to get a job.. all my EI taxes are going to some lazy fukk that won't get a job.
Might be a good idea for a small pwercentage of people. I don't suppose you have the stats for the amount of people that abuse EI as opposed to those who don't?
But anyway, if there wasn't EI, it would be sensible for the gov't to give extra tax credits for those that worked for decades and saved "for a rainy day" and then found their health or whatever wouldn't allow them to work anymore. Also how would your idea help those that worked up to a $300 or $500 per day job and then couldn't find another job that would even pay half that. They should just dump their lifestyle, education, experience, etc. for a minimum wage job?
Get real.

People pay into it.. yeah, right you get far more out than you pay in..
THINK for a change. My mother paid into EI for 43 years and collected EI for 8 months. 8 months at about 60% of wage was about $8000 for her. 43 years of paying into it added up to an estimated (based upon her first and last check stubs and a few in between) 11 times that.
 
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Feds defend EI reform plan despite chorus of criticism

OTTAWA - The Harper government is being hounded about employment insurance changes but the feds are sticking up their plan to reform pogey.

Opposition parties are outraged the government is rewriting Canadian EI rules in their more than 300-page omnibus budget bill but Prime Minister Stephen Harper defended the decision in the Commons on Wednesday.

"Employment insurance will very much be there for people who cannot find a job within their qualifications and within their region," Harper said during question period. "There are, however, as we know, growing labour shortages in this country and we want to take every effort we can to ensure people can find jobs."

The government is creating three different types of EI recipients including frequent users, occasional claimants and long-tenured workers.

Frequent claimants - those who used EI at least three times for a total of 60 weeks in five years - will be given six weeks to look for work in their field. After this window closes, applicants will be expected to find another job they are qualified for which pays at least 70% of their last salary.

"When will they acknowledge that their cynical scheme targets the very businesses, communities and workers that our economy relies upon," NDP House leader Nathan Cullen said.

The opposition says the government's new rules targets people who commonly use EI like seasonal and contract workers.

"We are not actually pursuing this as a money-saving exercise. Our objective is to match people with jobs," Harper said. "We want to make sure we have the systems in place that allow people to get work they're qualified for in their area."

The feds are also scrapping two review boards used to appealing decisions made about EI.

"The changes being introduced to EI are not about forcing people to move," Human Resources Minister Diane Finley told the Human Resources committee Wednesday. "They're not about attacking certain regions of the country. The changesare about improving the federal system so Canadians better understand expectations of them while on EI."

In addition to EI reform, the government's budget bill contains changes to the age of eligibility for Old Age Security and environmental assessment changes.

Feds defend EI reform plan despite chorus of criticism | Canada | News | London Free Press