Too many cops on leave WITH pay?

ironsides

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The cops also should be either charged with a crime or reinstated to active duty ASAP, not kept on the payroll forever while some prosecutor try's to make up their mind. Not fair to the cop nor the taxpayer.
 

Avro

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The cops also should be either charged with a crime or reinstated to active duty ASAP, not kept on the payroll forever while some prosecutor try's to make up their mind. Not fair to the cop nor the taxpayer.

An investigation by SIU first, charged and then sent to trial punished if convicted....sounds fair. As far as the taxpayer goes, they can stick it in their nose if they don't like due process, I just hope they remember that if they ever find themselves in court.
 

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According to JLM.

Good example is the Rodney King case...all were declared innocent even though what was seen on the video seemed conclusive guilt of battery.

That's not what I got out of it. Sheeple that were told what was happening in the video may have thought that.
 

JLM

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The cops also should be either charged with a crime or reinstated to active duty ASAP, not kept on the payroll forever while some prosecutor try's to make up their mind. Not fair to the cop nor the taxpayer.

Now we are getting some sense. :smile:

That's not what I got out of it. Sheeple that were told what was happening in the video may have thought that.

Try quoting the right person. :smile:
 

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Wow!

JLM's own little China.
Avro -

To label JLM as a cop hater is far from the facts - he like many are frustrated with just the public cases on abuse of authority - some resulting in death that we see - the Justice system for taking so long - a number of variables do come into play. But labeling JLM a Cop Hater well that would be like saying EAO loves Israel and JBeee is joining the US Army to go to Afghanistan. All would be false.
 

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The problem is if it were you or I we would be sent to jail forced to a bail hearing and then
the other problems would start for us, criminal record, the court system likely fired from our
job. I a democratic society where people are treated equally before the law, why are these
people not formally charged imprisoned and forced the the bail process and be off the job
at their own expense? I guess the equal mean some are more equal than others
 

JLM

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The problem is if it were you or I we would be sent to jail forced to a bail hearing and then
the other problems would start for us, criminal record, the court system likely fired from our
job. I a democratic society where people are treated equally before the law, why are these
people not formally charged imprisoned and forced the the bail process and be off the job
at their own expense? I guess the equal mean some are more equal than others

You've nailed it Grumpy. If the bank teller was caught siphoning off bank funds, would people expect she would be put on "administrative duties" at full pay while waiting months for a trial?
 

Unforgiven

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Family member of yours?

 

ironsides

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JLM wants the cops to be treated as guilty before they are proven so....he has said it many times.

He is a cop hater and a proven racist,:smile:

Once the cop is charged all pay should be suspended till conclusion of trial. If innocent they get all back pay, if guilty hang them. Just my thought: Police should be held to a higher punishment if they
Once the cop is charged all pay should be suspended till conclusion of trial. If innocent they get all back pay, if guilty hang them. Just my thought: Police should be held to a higher punishment if they violate their trust to the people they are sworn to protect..
Nothing worse than to violate their trust.


Yes, Canada should have a national police force responsible to all the people of Canada.

 

JLM

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Once the cop is charged all pay should be suspended till conclusion of trial. If innocent they get all back pay, if guilty hang them. Just my thought: Police should be held to a higher punishment if they
Once the cop is charged all pay should be suspended till conclusion of trial. If innocent they get all back pay, if guilty hang them. Just my thought: Police should be held to a higher punishment if they violate their trust to the people they are sworn to protect..
Nothing worse than to violate their trust.


Yes, Canada should have a national police force responsible to all the people of Canada.


Absolutely correct on all points (and they are worth repeating). You have be careful about mentioning "hanging" though:lol: or we'll have this retard back yammering.
 

Cannuck

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Absolutely correct on all points (and they are worth repeating). You have be careful about mentioning "hanging" though:lol: or we'll have this retard back yammering.

One of the reasons we have such piss poor policing now is that very few competent people want the job. If you have your way, even the incompetents might think twice about the career. Who do you suggest we hire then to be police officers? The RCMP is already having a difficult time attracting people.
 

CDNBear

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Taze 'em...
Repeatedly.

JLM,
So if I understand you correctly, you believe we shouldn't waste time on a trial before punishing someone, when we all know they are guilty.

Why not replace the entire criminal justice system with citizen action groups?

The self appointed citizen action group just accuses someone of something, ie Nazi, terrorist, communist, witch... and they show up outside the criminal's house at night, kick in the doors, drag the person out into the street and just hang 'em. I can see many benefits such as community involvement, immediacy and low cost.... no need for police, lawyers, judges, courts or prisons.
Oh EAO, as soon as I saw the tone of this post, I nearly wet myself laughing. Seriously.

May I ask how this disingenuously plays in with your conviction of Israel with anecdotal evidence? Them never having stood trial. Not a single case or claim laid, having been examined by a court of law.

I mean, none of that has prevent you from stating "They are war criminals, committing crimes against humanity" At no time have I seen you use the word "alleged".

Or is this a case, as I have pointed out before, that people of your ilk, tout the law, so long as it suits your agenda?

I didn't claim that you have a right to drive. You do, however, have the right to a trial for a criminal charge. Imposing the sentence when you are charged (ie, seizing your car and suspending your license) with a CRIMINAL offense is just the tiniest bit in conflict with our Charter.

But don't let that stop you.
Your car can be removed from the impound as soon as you pay the towing and impound fee. Your license is actually the property of the Province and is a privilege, not a right.

I say that being the owner of a car that was "IMPOUNDED", (which is what actually happens), after the driver was stopped, charged and arrested for street racing. He couldn't cover the impound and towing fees, so I got his suped up Honda for a really great price. And the latest e test and cert were still in the glove box. So all I had to do was license the vehicle. I was tickled pink.

Even then the courts have made rulings on the legality of what you are talking about. Rulings that I agree with. So is there is some validity to what you are saying.

You say that like I care.
We know you don't, but he's still right.
 

JLM

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One of the reasons we have such piss poor policing now is that very few competent people want the job. If you have your way, even the incompetents might think twice about the career. Who do you suggest we hire then to be police officers? The RCMP is already having a difficult time attracting people.

Good question- cops have to put up with a lot, people swearing, spitting, calling them "pigs" etc. I still think 90% of them are good, but you'll always have the bad apples whose power has gone to their heads.
 

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Yes it is. Care to answer it?

That would be tough- someone with the patience of Job and the strength of Sampson and the wisdom of Soloman and enough self control to use only what force is necessary to restrain the culprit. How's that?
 

shadowshiv

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Innocence until proven guilty.

It's when he's proven guilty that the hammer should fall and in the case of abuse of authority, it should fall the hardest.

Exactly what Unf said. It's not like this is unique with Law Enforcement. Pretty much any public service job is the same(Firefighter, Paramedic, teacher, etc.).

This is more to protect the innocent officers(it's not like no one has ever thrown false accusations at them, right?) than it is to reward the guilty officers.

I'm not talking about convicting I'm talking about being paid. If the work is to be suspended it only follows the pay should be suspended. If the final outcome shows him to be innocent then he should be paid for the time missed.

So the officer(and by extension, his family) should not be paid during this time? Say they finally figure out that the accuser was simply someone with an axe to grind, but not for months(as it finally comes out during the trial)! I don't know about you, but I certainly can't afford to not have a paycheque for months as I have bills to pay.

If the officer is guilty, then perhaps he should have to pay back some of that money he earned while under suspension.

Tough, maybe they should think about that before kicking the sh*t out of people or tasering them to death.

You know, you seem to be painting police officers with a pretty broad brush. Just because some are guilty, does NOT mean they are all guilty. So, to spite the guilty ones let the innocent ones suffer. That is not justice, that is just assinine.