Tommy the Commie Mulcair blasts fracking plans in New Brunswick

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Medicine hats,all hell for a basement because of all the surface gas deposits.Once again,you would never be drawing water from next to an oil deposit,thats called brackish water and they use it for sagd wells.
The flaming tap storys are true,thats what happens when your well is next to a surface deposit.
That was never an issue, until the fracking started, according to many reports.
 

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That was never an issue, until the fracking started, according to many reports.
Sorry,I edited my post,cp rail hit so much surface gas at the hat on their ROW drilling for a water supply that most first water rigs burnt down,this is when they started exploiting it in the hat.Many years before fracking was invented.

You do not want to drink the water in the hat,it tastes like crap.
 

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Sorry,I edited my post,cp rail hit so much surface gas at the hat on their ROW drilling for a water supply that most first water rigs burnt down,this is when they started exploiting it in the hat.Many years before fracking was invented.
That's awesome. Medicine Hat isn't the only place on the planet.

There are a litany of horror stories of peoples property becoming absolutely worthless. Except to the oil companies, who only wish to purchase silence. Simply because the fracking came to town.
 

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That's awesome. Medicine Hat isn't the only place on the planet.

There are a litany of horror stories of peoples property becoming absolutely worthless. Except to the oil companies, who only wish to purchase silence. Simply because the fracking came to town.
Every gas or oil well has a service rig on it after the holes drilled,so then every well in Alberta and SK would have to be poisining the water,thats 2 provinces as fracking is used everywhere.

So why has this not happened? I can drink the water from my tap and I live next to one of the most poisonous h2s fields on the planet.
 

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Every gas or oil well has a service rig on it after the holes drilled,so then every well in Alberta and SK would have to be poisining the water,thats 2 provinces as fracking is used everywhere.

So why has this not happened? I can drink the water from my tap and I live next to one of the most poisonous h2s fields on the planet.
Luck of the draw.

Fracking has a documented history dude. It ain't pretty.
 

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UK Fracking Firm Admits They Are Causing Earthquakes - Business Insider
Following seismic tremors in North-West England this Spring, the firm exploring for natural shale gas in the region has admitted that the disturbances were caused by the controversial exploration process of fracking.


Dont leave out the unusual combination of geology at the well site and the fact that they were only seismic tremors,something thats measured 1000 miles away from here every time the elk valley coal mines blast and are nothing to worry about,tremors are a way of the earth to relieve a lil pressure.

Luck of the draw.

Fracking has a documented history dude. It ain't pretty.
Then why is Alberta and Sask people still alive?
Do you realize how many wells are in both provinces that have been hit by a service rig?

Every single well I tie in has been fracked.
 

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Dont leave out the unusual combination of geology at the well site and the fact that they were only seismic tremors,something thats measured 1000 miles away from here every time the elk valley coal mines blast and are nothing to worry about,tremors are a way of the earth to relieve a lil pressure.

Rose coloured glasses.
 

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Dont leave out the unusual combination of geology at the well site and the fact that they were only seismic tremors,something thats measured 1000 miles away from here every time the elk valley coal mines blast and are nothing to worry about,tremors are a way of the earth to relieve a lil pressure.
So we should apply a little more, for sh!ts, giggles and the profit margin?

Then why is Alberta and Sask people still alive?
Do you realize how many wells are in both provinces that have been hit by a service rig?
Why are you asking me? I don't have the answers. I'm not a geologist. What I do know is, fracking has been proven to have serious negating impacts.

You can ask me all the silly questions you want. At the end of the day, fracking has still been proven to have serious negative impacts.
 

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All im saying is if fracking is so bad then how are people in Alberta and Sask still alive?
We should all be dead,if you live near a well and theres lots in the 2 provinces then chances are that well has been fracked,all new ones are where I'm at.
 

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All im saying is if fracking is so bad then how are people in Alberta and Sask still alive?
We should all be dead,if you live near a well and theres lots in the 2 provinces then chances are that well has been fracked,all new ones are where I'm at.
All you are saying, is you have an excellent ability to talk out your ass.

Even in areas where fracking has provided steady and unquestionable evidence of its negative impacts, the residents are not all dead.

They have been put out, financial impacted and made to suffer.

Your question is idiotic and asinine.
 

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All you are saying, is you have an excellent ability to talk out your ass.

Even in areas where fracking has provided steady and unquestionable evidence of its negative impacts, the residents are not all dead.

They have been put out, financial impacted and made to suffer.

Your question is idiotic and asinine.
Im not trying to be a smartass,I dont understand how if its so bad then all the residents of Alta and Sask arent haveing problems where every single one of our new wells is fracked.Thats pretty well everywhere so the peeps living in these areas arent complaining.
 

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That was never an issue, until the fracking started, according to many reports.


That's not entirely true Bear. The Hat has had issues with 'gassy' drinking water going back over 100 years.

"It was common knowledge in the industry that the CPR discovered gas in a water well at Langevin siding in 1883, and drilled a second well in 1884."

Petroleum History Society - preserving history of the petroleum industry in Canada

In today's O/G industry, basically all of the shallow, economic reserves have been tapped. Any new gas plays are generally very deep (thousands of meters). While the fracking fluids are delivered under high pressure, those pressures are no where near high enough to have an impact anywhere close to being able to impact strata and formations so close to the surface. To be honest, I am guessing that the overall impact of the actual frack is within a 30 meter diameter of the perforation(s) of the casing

I'm off to the GPS tomorrow where there will be some big fracking companies. I'll see what kind of answers their techs provide in terms of the kind of diameter that the fracture can have beyond the casing.
 

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That's not entirely true Bear. The Hat has had issues with 'gassy' drinking water going back over 100 years.

"It was common knowledge in the industry that the CPR discovered gas in a water well at Langevin siding in 1883, and drilled a second well in 1884."

Petroleum History Society - preserving history of the petroleum industry in Canada

In today's O/G industry, basically all of the shallow, economic reserves have been tapped. Any new gas plays are generally very deep (thousands of meters). While the fracking fluids are delivered under high pressure, those pressures are no where near high enough to have an impact anywhere close to being able to impact strata and formations so close to the surface. To be honest, I am guessing that the overall impact of the actual frack is within a 30 meter diameter of the perforation(s) of the casing

I'm off to the GPS tomorrow where there will be some big fracking companies. I'll see what kind of answers their techs provide in terms of the kind of diameter that the fracture can have beyond the casing.
Right on,im interested also as im by fracked wells 11 hours a day.I was going to quiz up my buds at Fracmasters.

I read that before about the hat,pretty interesting shyte,that was before BOP's I guess but who would think you would hit gas at such a shallow depth?
 

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There's Alberta.

I haven't read all the material, nor vetted it. But like I said, even if 10% is legit, fracking should be banned.
That's not entirely true Bear. The Hat has had issues with 'gassy' drinking water going back over 100 years.
I concede.

Although in my defence, I was referring to the articles in which people had lived fairly happily with their wells, until fracking came to town.

I can't remember where that is off hand. This isn't something I have been critically following. I didn't realise we were fracking in Canada on the scale that I just came to realize. And you know I'm no anti oil sector nutter.
 

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Right on,im interested also as im by fracked wells 11 hours a day.I was going to quiz up my buds at Fracmasters.


How deep are the verticals prior to getting the horizontal work done?

The other thing I'm interested in is the strength of the casing. The stuff is 'weak' enough that they can perforate along the horizontal lines for the frac and extraction... My question is; if you deliver the water/sand/chemical down under too much pressure, do you run the risk of blowing the whole line (casing) apart and screwing the whole well?

Alberta Surface Rights Group - Advocating for the future of Alberta's land and water.

There's Alberta.

I haven't read all the material, nor vetted it. But like I said, even if 10% is legit, fracking should be banned.I concede.

Although in my defence, I was referring to the articles in which people had lived fairly happily with their wells, until fracking came to town.

I can't remember where that is off hand. This isn't something I have been critically following. I didn't realise we were fracking in Canada on the scale that I just came to realize. And you know I'm no anti oil sector nutter.


I am not saying that you are wrong on this Bear.

I should have mentioned, the experience in the Canadian prairies is much different than in many other jurisdictions. O/G development is in a very mature stage in many places in BC, AB and Sask, hence the necessity to go really deep. That is not necessarily the case in places like Pennsylvania or Quebec that are in the initial stages of developing shale and coal gas.

Example: Pennsylvania has lots of coal deposits closer to surface. Any opportunity to frack on a shallow basis may very well open a fissure into an aquifer or drinking well...

To be honest, I don't know for certain, but the possibility certainly exists.
 

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How deep are the verticals prior to getting the horizontal work done?

The other thing I'm interested in is the strength of the casing. The stuff is 'weak' enough that they can perforate along the horizontal lines for the frac and extraction... My question is; if you deliver the water/sand/chemical down under too much pressure, do you run the risk of blowing the whole line (casing) apart and screwing the whole well?




I am not saying that you are wrong on this Bear.

I should have mentioned, the experience in the Canadian prairies is much different than in many other jurisdictions. O/G development is in a very mature stage in many places in BC, AB and Sask, hence the necessity to go really deep. That is not necessarily the case in places like Pennsylvania or Quebec that are in the initial stages of developing shale and coal gas.

Example: Pennsylvania has lots of coal deposits closer to surface. Any opportunity to frack on a shallow basis may very well open a fissure into an aquifer or drinking well...

To be honest, I don't know for certain, but the possibility certainly exists.
Interesting scenario,I'm interested in learning more though from someone in the know and industry.I think they have so far drilled about 800 wells in the Kindersley field so far this year,more to come as they havent been allowed on the provincial pasture land for years,they got untill september now to drill as many as they can.