To IMPEACH ????

AnnaEmber

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I've just be beginning to wonder about the preferences of genders! Do women (by and large) prefer leaders who "be nice" while men prefer (by and large) leaders who try to do the right things?
This one prefers competent people that do the job correctly without lying, dishonouring the office, etc. Ones with integrity, fairness, and a good sense of justice. Trump doesn't qualify.
 

Serryah

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For anyone who thinks this whole impeachment does nothing... think again.

Taken from Jim Wright

https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle/posts/2613873621981358



I wanted a haircut.
So I went up to base. It's nothing special. Dinky little training field where they teach shiny young officers who look way, way too young how to fly helicopters.
Afterwards, I decided to get a sandwich.
Handful of people in the base sandwich shop, some broken down looking aviation contractor, Navy/USMC pilots and trainees, and two women who worked there.
And Fox News on the TV.
It was the usual lineup, Barbie and the Ken dolls, opining seriously about impeachment.
I watched the rest of the room with an ear cocked towards the TV.
Fox was amazingly reality free.
It was patently obvious none of the commentators had any actual direct knowledge of the impeachment process. I'm not sure they even understood what impeachment actually IS. It was as if they were describing a fantasy sporting event. Excitedly waving their arms about and earnestly recounting lines of scrimmage and imagined touchdowns.
This is "news" designed to alter fact and reality. To appeal directly to emotion.
It doesn't inform opinion, but rather shapes it.
We report, you decide.
That's the Big Lie. They would never, EVER, leave the something so important as deciding up to you.
There's no expert analysis.
No presentation of fact.
And not even a pretense of impartiality.
This is carefully made psychological warfare designed to reinforce existing opinion and turn a profit.
I had the strangest sense of déjà vu.
Here I am, sitting in a Subway, on a some backwater, overgrown, Southern Navy base in 2019, and for some reason I could FEEL the hair on my neck stand up. 1980s. Europe. Something eerily familiar.
I watched the room. Yeah. Something familiar.
Something...
The sandwich ladies were watching the TV intently, along with Contractor Guy.
But the military pilots, who in my experience, aren't exactly silent bastions of liberalism were ignoring Fox News completely.
ALL of them.
And I saw it.
I saw it.
I'd seen it before. Déjà vu.
The civilians were engrossed in impeachment. The Sandwich Ladies talked about how unfair it was, the way they were picking on Trump who only wanted to do good for America.
Contractor Guy was staring raptly at the flatscreen, nodding every few seconds in agreement.
It's custom, among officers, to avoid talking about politics at a Navy table, but this wasn't that. No. I was in when Bill Clinton was being impeached, we talked about impeachment all of the time.
Impeachment. They SHOULD have been interested.
But they weren't. At all.
And I knew what it was.
That feeling. The 1980s. Europe. The Cold War.
Déjà vu.
See, back then I was a junior Navy intelligence technician. My first tour. Specializing in Soviet Air Defense.
Working out of Rota, Spain.
Know your enemy. And back then our enemy was the Soviet Union. And copies of Prava and Red Star were stacked ten deep on the Read Desk. And you'd look at that stuff, listen to the tapes of Soviet news broadcasts. It was unclassified. Hell, some of it they broadcast in English, they WANTED us to listen, to read.
The state news of Communism.
And it was all so, so ... obviously, laughably, bullshit.
That's what you noticed first: Soviet news was hilariously divorced from reality. It was so incredibly bad, so ridiculously, ineptly, obviously WRONG.
But the people who created it were deadly serious.
See, it wasn't about reporting the news.
It wasn't about reporting the news. The USSR sure wasn't going to let CITIZENS decide reality.
That's the mistake WE made. We'd look at it and laugh. Who believes this clumsy bullshit?
Nobody. It wasn't about truth.
It was about enforcing the narrative of the State.
In those days, before the fall of the USSR, before the internet and ubiquitous cell phones in the hands of every Russian, the average citizen knew only what the government told them.
It wasn't so much they believed State media as there wasn't ANYTHING else. By design.
The Soviet military officers were force-fed this stuff. And they developed a reflex of pretending to pay attention while not believing a single word of it.
THEY knew better.
That didn't mean they wouldn't carry out their orders though. They would. They were professionals.
Who believes this stuff, we'd laugh?
The government believed, because for them it HAD to be true, even if it was a lie. They MADE reality, they didn't wait for it.
The citizens believed even when they knew it was all bullshit, because they had nothing else. They cheered for the same reasons North Koreans do today. They might not trust the State, but there's nothing else.
And the Soviet military? The officers? They didn't need to watch Central Television, or read Red Star or Pravda.
They believed -- or pretended to believe -- because it was their DUTY to do so, same as any other military.
Thirty-five years later, and I sat there, watching what has become the de facto organ of State TV, free of reality, divorced from fact, designed not to provide information but to reinforce the narrative of the state.
To tell citizens what they WANT to believe.
But, here's the thing: Unlike those old Soviets, Americans have other sources of information, other narratives. But, they believe -- many of them anyway -- even though they know it's all lies.
Not because they have nothing else, but because they don't WANT anything else.
They've done to themselves what the USSR never could.
And the military? The professionals?
They don't need to watch. They believe -- or pretend to believe -- the narrative of the State, because THAT is their duty, same as it ever was.
Déjà vu.
 

Ocean Breeze

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For anyone who thinks this whole impeachment does nothing... think again.

Taken from Jim Wright

https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle/posts/2613873621981358



I wanted a haircut.
So I went up to base. It's nothing special. Dinky little training field where they teach shiny young officers who look way, way too young how to fly helicopters.
Afterwards, I decided to get a sandwich.
Handful of people in the base sandwich shop, some broken down looking aviation contractor, Navy/USMC pilots and trainees, and two women who worked there.
And Fox News on the TV.
It was the usual lineup, Barbie and the Ken dolls, opining seriously about impeachment.
I watched the rest of the room with an ear cocked towards the TV.
Fox was amazingly reality free.
It was patently obvious none of the commentators had any actual direct knowledge of the impeachment process. I'm not sure they even understood what impeachment actually IS. It was as if they were describing a fantasy sporting event. Excitedly waving their arms about and earnestly recounting lines of scrimmage and imagined touchdowns.
This is "news" designed to alter fact and reality. To appeal directly to emotion.
It doesn't inform opinion, but rather shapes it.
We report, you decide.
That's the Big Lie. They would never, EVER, leave the something so important as deciding up to you.
There's no expert analysis.
No presentation of fact.
And not even a pretense of impartiality.
This is carefully made psychological warfare designed to reinforce existing opinion and turn a profit.
I had the strangest sense of déjà vu.
Here I am, sitting in a Subway, on a some backwater, overgrown, Southern Navy base in 2019, and for some reason I could FEEL the hair on my neck stand up. 1980s. Europe. Something eerily familiar.
I watched the room. Yeah. Something familiar.
Something...
The sandwich ladies were watching the TV intently, along with Contractor Guy.
But the military pilots, who in my experience, aren't exactly silent bastions of liberalism were ignoring Fox News completely.
ALL of them.
And I saw it.
I saw it.
I'd seen it before. Déjà vu.
The civilians were engrossed in impeachment. The Sandwich Ladies talked about how unfair it was, the way they were picking on Trump who only wanted to do good for America.
Contractor Guy was staring raptly at the flatscreen, nodding every few seconds in agreement.
It's custom, among officers, to avoid talking about politics at a Navy table, but this wasn't that. No. I was in when Bill Clinton was being impeached, we talked about impeachment all of the time.
Impeachment. They SHOULD have been interested.
But they weren't. At all.
And I knew what it was.
That feeling. The 1980s. Europe. The Cold War.
Déjà vu.
See, back then I was a junior Navy intelligence technician. My first tour. Specializing in Soviet Air Defense.
Working out of Rota, Spain.
Know your enemy. And back then our enemy was the Soviet Union. And copies of Prava and Red Star were stacked ten deep on the Read Desk. And you'd look at that stuff, listen to the tapes of Soviet news broadcasts. It was unclassified. Hell, some of it they broadcast in English, they WANTED us to listen, to read.
The state news of Communism.
And it was all so, so ... obviously, laughably, bullshit.
That's what you noticed first: Soviet news was hilariously divorced from reality. It was so incredibly bad, so ridiculously, ineptly, obviously WRONG.
But the people who created it were deadly serious.
See, it wasn't about reporting the news.
It wasn't about reporting the news. The USSR sure wasn't going to let CITIZENS decide reality.
That's the mistake WE made. We'd look at it and laugh. Who believes this clumsy bullshit?
Nobody. It wasn't about truth.
It was about enforcing the narrative of the State.
In those days, before the fall of the USSR, before the internet and ubiquitous cell phones in the hands of every Russian, the average citizen knew only what the government told them.
It wasn't so much they believed State media as there wasn't ANYTHING else. By design.
The Soviet military officers were force-fed this stuff. And they developed a reflex of pretending to pay attention while not believing a single word of it.
THEY knew better.
That didn't mean they wouldn't carry out their orders though. They would. They were professionals.
Who believes this stuff, we'd laugh?
The government believed, because for them it HAD to be true, even if it was a lie. They MADE reality, they didn't wait for it.
The citizens believed even when they knew it was all bullshit, because they had nothing else. They cheered for the same reasons North Koreans do today. They might not trust the State, but there's nothing else.
And the Soviet military? The officers? They didn't need to watch Central Television, or read Red Star or Pravda.
They believed -- or pretended to believe -- because it was their DUTY to do so, same as any other military.
Thirty-five years later, and I sat there, watching what has become the de facto organ of State TV, free of reality, divorced from fact, designed not to provide information but to reinforce the narrative of the state.
To tell citizens what they WANT to believe.
But, here's the thing: Unlike those old Soviets, Americans have other sources of information, other narratives. But, they believe -- many of them anyway -- even though they know it's all lies.
Not because they have nothing else, but because they don't WANT anything else.
They've done to themselves what the USSR never could.
And the military? The professionals?
They don't need to watch. They believe -- or pretend to believe -- the narrative of the State, because THAT is their duty, same as it ever was.
Déjà vu.
excellent little article. Thanks for posting it. It indicates a rare understanding of what is actually taking place in REALITY........... and the"reality" being imposed on the population.

The question is : Is the US being gradually and insidiously converted to something the Republic would be in opposition with. The reality is that Trump is not a leader that follows democratic principles."He believes he can do whatever he wants."...........and we are seeing just that.
 

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Still not sure if I understand right.


The report was released to the public on the 26th.


But.

Aug. 12 — A whistleblower files a complaint, addressed to chairmen of the House and Senate intelligence committees, that says: “In the course of my official duties, I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.”



Then: Aug. 26Michael Atkinson, the inspector general for the intelligence community, writes to Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire to say that he has reviewed the whistleblower’s complaint and has deemed it an “‘urgent concern’ that ‘appears credible.'” Atkinson informs Maguire that, under the law, he has seven days to forward the complaint to the committee chairmen “together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.”


Sept. 9 — Atkinson, the inspector general of the intelligence community, notifies the House intelligence committee that he received a whistleblower’s complaint relating to an “urgent concern” on Aug. 12. He says he found the information credible, and sent “my determination of a credible urgent concern” along with a copy of the complaint to Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, who had seven days to forward the complaint to Congress. But, contrary to “past practice,” Maguire did not forward the complaint to Congress, believing “the allegations do not meet the definition of an ‘urgent concern’ under the [whistleblower] statute,” Atkinson writes. The inspector general says he will keep the committee apprised of his attempts to resolve the issue.
Three House committees announce investigations into whether Trump and Giuliani tried to pressure Ukraine into conducting “politically-motivated investigations under the guise of anti-corruption activity.”



Sept. 13 — Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, the chairman of the House intelligence committee, issues “a subpoena to the Acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Joseph Maguire to compel the production of a whistleblower complaint that the Intelligence Community Inspector General’s (IC IG) determined to be credible and a matter of ‘urgent concern,’ as well as the IC IG’s determination and all records pertaining to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence’s (ODNI) involvement in this matter, including any and all correspondence with other Executive Branch actors such as the White House.”



Sept. 18 — The Washington Post, citing unnamed sources, reports that the whistleblower complaint involves Trump’s “communications with a foreign leader,” including “a ‘promise’ that was regarded as so troubling that it prompted an official in the U.S. intelligence community to file a formal whistleblower complaint.”


So in all of this, if we're talking 'leak' as in when the committee's were first aware, it was at the earliest August. If we're talking leak as in got out to the public, then it's the 18th.


This is using your own link.


So Pelosi announces on the 24th that they're going through with the impeachment inquiry.


Which is after all this happened.


Pelosi had no choice at this point but to go forward with it.
Good who is the whistleblower ? For whom did he work ? What are his political affiliations ?
 

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This one prefers competent people that do the job correctly without lying, dishonouring the office, etc. Ones with integrity, fairness, and a good sense of justice. Trump doesn't qualify.
Have any of the last ten met your standards ?
 

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‘You don’t have to date him’: the women standing by Trump in 2020

“We realized there are an awful lot of women listening to the fake news, and they think our president doesn’t have the support of women voters. We know that’s fake, right?” another co-founder, Mariane Sheridan, asked as she drew loud cheers and gestured toward the tables filled with women at a golf-themed restaurant called The Masters.

“You’re like-minded, and you look around and realize you’re an army. We are doing this because we love the president
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ump-michigan-supporters-grassroots-organizing
 

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excellent little article. Thanks for posting it. It indicates a rare understanding of what is actually taking place in REALITY........... and the"reality" being imposed on the population.

The question is : Is the US being gradually and insidiously converted to something the Republic would be in opposition with. The reality is that Trump is not a leader that follows democratic principles."He believes he can do whatever he wants."...........and we are seeing just that.


Mr Wright is neither Democrat or Republican, was an Intelligence Officer (Chief in the Navy) and did this time.

I'd honestly trust his evaluation on politics in the US over many people's any day, as he doesn't pander to people.


He has, consistently, repeated that Trump et al are a threat to the US Republic as it is. I think it's entirely possible that the US IS being changed into something that, under normal circumstances, anyone would be appalled at. I'm not just saying in the Trump era, or even Obama, perhaps not even Bush2 or Clinton, but further back; with Regan or before even him.


At one time the US was so petrified of Russian interference they created the "Red Scare". Now its people would rather embrace the "reds" rather than their own countrymen.


That's how bad it is in the US.
 

pgs

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Mr Wright is neither Democrat or Republican, was an Intelligence Officer (Chief in the Navy) and did this time.

I'd honestly trust his evaluation on politics in the US over many people's any day, as he doesn't pander to people.


He has, consistently, repeated that Trump et al are a threat to the US Republic as it is. I think it's entirely possible that the US IS being changed into something that, under normal circumstances, anyone would be appalled at. I'm not just saying in the Trump era, or even Obama, perhaps not even Bush2 or Clinton, but further back; with Regan or before even him.


At one time the US was so petrified of Russian interference they created the "Red Scare". Now its people would rather embrace the "reds" rather than their own countrymen.


That's how bad it is in the US.
He has constantly repeated that Trump is a threat . But really he is unbiased .
 

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AnnaEmber

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excellent little article. Thanks for posting it. It indicates a rare understanding of what is actually taking place in REALITY........... and the"reality" being imposed on the population.

The question is : Is the US being gradually and insidiously converted to something the Republic would be in opposition with. The reality is that Trump is not a leader that follows democratic principles."He believes he can do whatever he wants."...........and we are seeing just that.
Yup. He wants a kingdom and so is rebuilding the USA. Or specifically, he wants his own fiefdom.
 
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