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Twin_Moose

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Yes I did when we had the last go around over the EC. I'm probably mixing a little of our system in with Presidential election. With the separation in your system it may not be as much of a big deal with the House and Senate running separate of the POTUS. Both branches having veto power might not automatically be a greater advantage granted to the higher populated centers of your country. Our system is heavily favoured to the highest populated centers due to constituencies are based on density of population per square mile/km.
 

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The Canadian Senate is appointed on a regional basis.

Not sure how you could get any more regional emphasis than that
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Yes I did when we had the last go around over the EC. I'm probably mixing a little of our system in with Presidential election. With the separation in your system it may not be as much of a big deal with the House and Senate running separate of the POTUS. Both branches having veto power might not automatically be a greater advantage granted to the higher populated centers of your country. Our system is heavily favoured to the highest populated centers due to constituencies are based on density of population per square mile/km.
Way I see it, the problem with your thinking (not saying you're entirely wrong, just that this is a problem) is in assuming that everybody in a given area has the same interests, values, and opinions. Obviously they don't, or each riding would come back 90+% for one party (the 10% would be the permanent malcontents).
 

Twin_Moose

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OK Hoid is this where you want to go? How is the senate fair to the nation when it is basically set up in the same way as Parliament Population density of a region? And without the say of the region they represent (no vote) at the will of the governing party?
 

Hoid

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who else will ever represent them?

Trump is the once in a lifetime leader of the deplorables.
 

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There are four basic areas of the senate - western provinces/Ontario/Quebec/Maritime provinces.

The western provinces get the same number of reps as does Ontario as does Quebec as does the Maritimes.

How do we make it more fair than that?

By giving the western provinces more than equal representation?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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OK Hoid is this where you want to go? How is the senate fair to the nation when it is basically set up in the same way as Parliament Population density of a region? And without the say of the region they represent (no vote) at the will of the governing party?

I greenied you on that. Your Senate appears to be the House of Lords without the whole hereditary thing.

I agree with the notion of having an "upper chamber" more insulated from the trend of the week, but c'mon, appointment by the political parties?

That's not democracy.

We handled that down here. The distribution of senators is still something of a problem, to my mind, but we solved the main problem when we scrapped appointment of senators by state legislatures for direct, popular election of senators in 1913.
 

Twin_Moose

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Way I see it, the problem with your thinking (not saying you're entirely wrong, just that this is a problem) is in assuming that everybody in a given area has the same interests, values, and opinions. Obviously they don't, or each riding would come back 90+% for one party (the 10% would be the permanent malcontents).

This is where I might have been convoluting our system in with yours, the popular vote of 1 constituency is a direct vote for the Governing party, within a 100 miles2 in the 905 where the view isn't skewed too much will result in 20-30 direct votes.

And I guarantee it would have not have a significant effect on your life, so why do you care?
Seriously, what the heck is it you love so much about Trump?

With our current Gov. it may have had a positive effect on us, however it was Hillary and that should say enough on it's own.

I don't think it would have mattered whose name it would have been, it's the optics of someone fighting uphill against a system that don't want him in the game, thus someone to cheer for, and the sucker for the underdog post yesterday. We all know he is trying to set up a system to succeed in after he leaves office, but which POTUS didn't? Carter maybe?

It does appear (optics again) that he is trying to lay a foundation to benefit the American people. He speaks badly like most persons do on a construction site, which translates well to the working class, not a polished speaker that translates well to scholars and the press.

Subsiding all the fears of what he was going to do, the struggles and battles trying to out maneuver the establishment is worth the price of admission.
 

Twin_Moose

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There are four basic areas of the senate - western provinces/Ontario/Quebec/Maritime provinces.
The western provinces get the same number of reps as does Ontario as does Quebec as does the Maritimes.
How do we make it more fair than that?
By giving the western provinces more than equal representation?

Let the voters decide who is to represent them, and see if the attitude of the senate changes.
 

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