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How can there be a "negative" there rainboo boi?
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Am I being negative when I tell you to stay away from the rented children at the border?
 
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Ocean Breeze said:

Appeals court grants 7-day stay on ruling that former White House counsel McGahn must comply with subpoena in impeachment inquiry

A federal appeals court on Wednesday evening stayed a lower-court ruling that Donald McGahn must comply with a House subpoena after the administration appealed, arguing the battle poses great consequences for the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit granted a seven-day administrative stay while it considers a longer-term order, and fast-tracked oral arguments in the case for a hearing Jan. 3.

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Due process at werk.
 
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AnnaEmber said:
New evidence says he directed Giuliani. There's also Giuliani's statement saying exactly that. Everyone knows what a liar Trump is. There's more.
Besides that, Trump knew there was a whistleblower before the newsmedia and before he started denying quid pro quo. So unless he was clairvoyant he wouldn't have denied the quid pro quo before the newsmedia and the public knew about it. And that's why he cancelled the holdup on the aid.
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Gotta citation for your BS
 
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Nicely summarized. The time line.....sequence is being filled in with facts.
Trump is not only a liar........ he changes his lies to fit the mood of the day.--er moment.
Of course that is not quite Fox news -Trump version........so the Trumpians will not accept it.
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Why are all the Dems. flocking to do interviews with Fox? What facts? 2nd and 3rd hand info?
 
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That's like us just randomly asking you how was the view from epstien's plane just as a joke...
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...and you saying it was fine, Praise the lawd!
 
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Twin_Moose said:
Why are all the Dems. flocking to do interviews with Fox? What facts? 2nd and 3rd hand info?
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lol No-one killed anyone so there's no "smoking gun" or "bloody knife". So it's diplomacy we are referring to and that consists of talking and listening. It's entirely, "he siad, she said", sometimes without recording, sometimes with. Maybe you watch too many cops n robber tv shows and war shows.
 
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AnnaEmber said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...laint-before-ukraine-aid-released-11574827150
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...0191127-dlnn7bqxjvalbh426brbleir3u-story.html
https://www.axios.com/trump-whistle...eze-c08a86e5-53fb-4929-9c5f-6f7e56149718.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-just-wrecked-trumps-last-remaining-defenses/
etcetera etcetera
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AnnaEmber said:
lol No-one killed anyone so there's no "smoking gun" or "bloody knife". So it's diplomacy we are referring to and that consists of talking and listening. It's entirely, "he siad, she said", sometimes without recording, sometimes with. Maybe you watch too many cops n robber tv shows and war shows.
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So I have to believe your anti Trump news reports over any links I put up? Why not find something from at least PBS or The Hill which is a little more centralist? Did you know the aid was to be terminated on Sept 30 and he released it on Sept. 11 so that it doesn't get cancelled? Does it matter in your mind?

ANALYSIS: Why did Trump release Ukraine aid? The answer is simple

Why did President Trump release aid to Ukraine on Sept. 11 after holding it up for 55 days? Democrats and Republicans have been fighting over the answer throughout the impeachment debate.

Democrats and their allies in the media contend Trump freed up the aid only after the White House learned that a whistleblower had filed a complaint against the president. "The reason the aid was produced was that the whistleblower had come forward at that point," CNN's Jeffrey Toobin said Tuesday. "Basically, the Trump administration was busted. They got caught, and that's the reason they released the money."
"They got caught," the Democratic impeachment leader, Rep. Adam Schiff, said Thursday. "That's the reason aid was finally lifted."
Republicans offered an entirely different explanation. Rep. Jim Jordan, a leader of GOP impeachment pushback, said the aid was released after Trump heard positive assessments of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky from Vice President Mike Pence, Sen. Ron Johnson, then-national security adviser John Bolton, and others.
"They all became convinced of the same thing," Jordan said last week. "Hey, Mr. President, this guy is real. Go ahead and release the dollars." Jordan also noted that the new Ukrainian parliament was working on anti-corruption reform measures at the time.
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On Sept. 11, the White House received a draft of a continuing resolution, produced by House Democrats, that would extend funding for the federal government. Among other provisions, the bill would push the Ukraine money out the door, whether in the final days of fiscal year 2019 or in 2020, regardless of what the president did.
"The draft continuing resolution ... would on September 30 immediately free up the remainder of the $250 million appropriated for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative in the fiscal 2019 Defense spending law and extend its availability for another year," Roll Call reported a little after noon on Sept. 11.
According to knowledgeable sources, the Office of Management and Budget received the draft on the morning of Sept. 11. OMB Director Russell Vought informed the president around midday. There was no doubt the Democratic-controlled House would pass the measure, which was needed to avoid a government shutdown. Later that afternoon, Trump — who must have already known that the Republican-controlled Senate would also support the bill — had the point emphasized to him when he received a call from Republican Sen. Rob Portman.
Portman, along with Democratic Sen. Richard Durbin, co-chairs the Senate Ukraine Caucus. Portman and several other senators wrote to the White House on Sept. 3, imploring the president to release the aid. On Sept. 11, Portman felt the need to talk again, with the same message — only this time with the backdrop of the House preparing to pass a bill that would force Trump's hand.
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Is The Washington Examiner good enough for you?
 
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Twin_Moose said:
So I have to believe your anti Trump news reports over any links I put up?
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Nope. Whatever I post is irrelevant to you. You'll believe what you want regardless of evidence.

Why not find something from at least PBS or The Hill which is a little more centralist?
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The Wall Street Journal is centrist with a slight conservative bias.

Did you know the aid was to be terminated on Sept 30 and he released it on Sept. 11 so that it doesn't get cancelled? Does it matter in your mind?
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Nope, because in August he learned about the whistleblower so he had to claim "no quid pro quo" and start denying sending Giuliani over there to pressure for the investigations into the Bidens.

Is The Washington Examiner good enough for you?
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Yes, the WE is fine. It's Jim Jordan's theory, though. It's a theory, but it doesn't add up. Jordan is a typical Trumplican making feeble attempts to show Trump is an honest dude. It's far too late to convince anyone other than you Trumplicans of that and I'm not even sure you people don't acknowledge it anyway.
 
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AnnaEmber said:
Nope. Whatever I post is irrelevant to you. You'll believe what you want regardless of evidence.
The Wall Street Journal is centrist with a slight conservative bias.
Nope, because in August he learned about the whistleblower so he had to claim "no quid pro quo" and start denying sending Giuliani over there to pressure for the investigations into the Bidens.
Yes, the WE is fine. It's Jim Jordan's theory, though. It's a theory, but it doesn't add up. Jordan is a typical Trumplican making feeble attempts to show Trump is an honest dude. It's far too late to convince anyone other than you Trumplicans of that and I'm not even sure you people don't acknowledge it anyway.
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Did you watch or listen to the hearings or just read the CNN breakdown?
 
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