Honestly though, foreign money going into Canadian movements is a good thing, no? It creates jobs in the activism industry, along with other industries like computer, printer, ink, pen, paper, cardboard, etc.
Titanic clash looms over proposed Northern Gateway pipeline
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Well the argument coming from B.C. is not necessarily one about the economy if I'm not mistaken.
The only place that I know of in B.C. that dumps raw sewage into the ocean is Victoria. Ironically the same city that houses all the government types that made everyone else in the province put in expensive treatment plants at great expense.
Where money is god and you have an accountant at the helm, you can expect that those in opposition to this project will be demonized. I said it before, Harper is a dangerous man because he is an ideologue, he worships the money god and he will stop art nothing to please his puppet masters. If the money that will be spent on this project alone were used to develop alternative technology, we wouldn't need this god damn pipeline. This is just another nail in our grandchildren's coffin.
I suspect that MF is right in one respect. This is where the line will be carved in Granite. No more lines in sand that the anti work rabble are forever moving, We are finally going to have economic development and prosperity in B.C. again. No more costly and unnecessary public hearings where foreign funded ecoterrorists from outside the area affected can hold peoples livelihoods ransom. Projects will be accepted or rejected on merit not political expediency.
The money extracted from these projects finances your pension cheque every month and pays for my grandchildren's education.
The money extracted from these projects finances your pension cheque every month and pays for my grandchildren's education.
The money worshipers have spoken.
Ecoterrorists indeed. Let the demonization begin. Education will do them no good if they are dead.
Faces of so-called radicalism: Three opponents of the Northern Gateway
Viewed from the government’s perch in Ottawa, the pipeline's opponents are agents of "environmental and other radical groups.' But the faces of the opposition go well beyond the stereotype of anti-development tree-huggers
Mike Hicks
Mike Hicks is a fisherman, a businessman, and stalwart federal Conservative voter; in fact, he once ran as a Progressive Conservative candidate. He has done battle with environmentalists over development on Vancouver Island.
And he is convinced that the Enbridge pipeline, with its requirement for more oil-tanker traffic to bring Alberta oil to market, will spell disaster for marine life in the rich waters off B.C.’s coast, from the tiny krill to the humpback whales that pass by his Port Renfrew fishing lodge every year.
“I don’t have some huge philosophy, I’m very selfish,” he explained Monday. “It’s absolutely inevitable there is going to be an oil-tanker collision in the Juan de Fuca Strait.”
Mr. Hicks now finds himself on the same side as the Dogwood Initiative, an environmental organization he has sparred with in the past. “I’m not a radical environmentalist. Fiscally, I’m a conservative, no question.”
Premier Christy Clark has refused to take a position on the pipeline, and her government has carefully endorsed the federal government promise to speed up the review process only on the grounds that business needs to hear the federal government’s decision more quickly.
But Mr. Hicks, as an elected official for the Capital Regional District on southern Vancouver Island, calculates that he is speaking for his constituents on this one. “The good people of Juan de Fuca who I represent can’t afford the chance of an oil disaster.”
Charles Helm
Dr. Charles Helm is a family physician in Tumbler Ridge and is practical-minded about resource development. “I work in a coal-mining town and people have this bad image of coal,” he said. That, he said, is an undeserved rap when it comes to Tumbler Ridge’s metallurgical coal, used in the manufacturing of steel. Although he won’t commit to any political party, he is a proponent of nuclear energy, putting him more in alignment with the federal Conservatives than with the Greens on energy policy. And he is not rabid about battling “big oil,” describing his exchanges with Enbridge officials as “very pleasant.”
But the avid outdoorsman (and amateur paleontologist) is joining, for the first time in his life, an environmental protest movement.
“I don’t like the word radical,” he said. “As a physician I’m trained to be evidence-based.”
Dr. Helm has lived in Tumbler Ridge for 20 years where he has developed a network of hiking trails. He and his fellow fossil hunters have explored the backcountry intimately, giving Tumbler Ridge a newfound status as a hotbed of dinosaur footprints and fossils.
“There has been so much attention on what this pipeline means for the coast, it seems to me everybody has forgotten that this pipeline is going over a remote stretch of the Rocky Mountains. It’s impact is not minimal,” he said. “There are very few areas that are as truly virgin and pristine.”
Kevin Derksen
For the past seven years, Kevin Derksen has been working to the rural town of Burns Lake on the map as a tourism destination. The cover of Bike magazine has featured the result under the heading, “Miles from nowhere, is Canada’s Burns Lake Mountain Biking Nirvana?” The initiative last year earned the Premier’s Innovation award.
The proposed pipeline would run right through the Burns Lake network of designated trails that that have earned international biking recognition. By the time that happens, the Burns Lake Mountain Biking Society estimates it will have spent $1-million on trail work on a 4,000 hectare area with a camp site, race track and skills area.
Mr. Derkson, who grew up in this resource-dependent town, is sympathetic to the cause of moving Alberta oil to Asian markets. “I get the economics behind it, to relieve ourselves from dependence on the U.S. for our oil markets. Those are huge issues,” Mr. Derksen said Monday. “And our area has been primary industry since the dawn of time. You’re not going to see a lot of hard-core environmentalism here.”
But the tourism jobs are real and ongoing, he said. Enbridge faces a tougher time explaining how residents of Burns Lake will benefit from a pipeline going through their backyard.
“We’ve got this economic development happening, we have hotels benefitting and bike shops opening. The long-term vision is sustainability and bringing dollars into the community,” he said.
“But if this pipeline goes ahead and goes through the rec area, it will kill the project. One you cut a huge swath through the park, it’s lost its attraction.”
Faces of so-called radicalism: Three opponents of the Northern Gateway - The Globe and Mail
Viewed from the government’s perch in Ottawa, the pipeline's opponents are agents of "environmental and other radical groups.' But the faces of the opposition go well beyond the stereotype of anti-development tree-huggers
Mike Hicks
Mike Hicks is a fisherman, a businessman, and stalwart federal Conservative voter; in fact, he once ran as a Progressive Conservative candidate. He has done battle with environmentalists over development on Vancouver Island.
And he is convinced that the Enbridge pipeline, with its requirement for more oil-tanker traffic to bring Alberta oil to market, will spell disaster for marine life in the rich waters off B.C.’s coast, from the tiny krill to the humpback whales that pass by his Port Renfrew fishing lodge every year.
“I don’t have some huge philosophy, I’m very selfish,” he explained Monday. “It’s absolutely inevitable there is going to be an oil-tanker collision in the Juan de Fuca Strait.”
Mr. Hicks now finds himself on the same side as the Dogwood Initiative, an environmental organization he has sparred with in the past. “I’m not a radical environmentalist. Fiscally, I’m a conservative, no question.”
Premier Christy Clark has refused to take a position on the pipeline, and her government has carefully endorsed the federal government promise to speed up the review process only on the grounds that business needs to hear the federal government’s decision more quickly.
But Mr. Hicks, as an elected official for the Capital Regional District on southern Vancouver Island, calculates that he is speaking for his constituents on this one. “The good people of Juan de Fuca who I represent can’t afford the chance of an oil disaster.”
Charles Helm
Dr. Charles Helm is a family physician in Tumbler Ridge and is practical-minded about resource development. “I work in a coal-mining town and people have this bad image of coal,” he said. That, he said, is an undeserved rap when it comes to Tumbler Ridge’s metallurgical coal, used in the manufacturing of steel. Although he won’t commit to any political party, he is a proponent of nuclear energy, putting him more in alignment with the federal Conservatives than with the Greens on energy policy. And he is not rabid about battling “big oil,” describing his exchanges with Enbridge officials as “very pleasant.”
But the avid outdoorsman (and amateur paleontologist) is joining, for the first time in his life, an environmental protest movement.
“I don’t like the word radical,” he said. “As a physician I’m trained to be evidence-based.”
Dr. Helm has lived in Tumbler Ridge for 20 years where he has developed a network of hiking trails. He and his fellow fossil hunters have explored the backcountry intimately, giving Tumbler Ridge a newfound status as a hotbed of dinosaur footprints and fossils.
“There has been so much attention on what this pipeline means for the coast, it seems to me everybody has forgotten that this pipeline is going over a remote stretch of the Rocky Mountains. It’s impact is not minimal,” he said. “There are very few areas that are as truly virgin and pristine.”
Kevin Derksen
For the past seven years, Kevin Derksen has been working to the rural town of Burns Lake on the map as a tourism destination. The cover of Bike magazine has featured the result under the heading, “Miles from nowhere, is Canada’s Burns Lake Mountain Biking Nirvana?” The initiative last year earned the Premier’s Innovation award.
The proposed pipeline would run right through the Burns Lake network of designated trails that that have earned international biking recognition. By the time that happens, the Burns Lake Mountain Biking Society estimates it will have spent $1-million on trail work on a 4,000 hectare area with a camp site, race track and skills area.
Mr. Derkson, who grew up in this resource-dependent town, is sympathetic to the cause of moving Alberta oil to Asian markets. “I get the economics behind it, to relieve ourselves from dependence on the U.S. for our oil markets. Those are huge issues,” Mr. Derksen said Monday. “And our area has been primary industry since the dawn of time. You’re not going to see a lot of hard-core environmentalism here.”
But the tourism jobs are real and ongoing, he said. Enbridge faces a tougher time explaining how residents of Burns Lake will benefit from a pipeline going through their backyard.
“We’ve got this economic development happening, we have hotels benefitting and bike shops opening. The long-term vision is sustainability and bringing dollars into the community,” he said.
“But if this pipeline goes ahead and goes through the rec area, it will kill the project. One you cut a huge swath through the park, it’s lost its attraction.”
Faces of so-called radicalism: Three opponents of the Northern Gateway - The Globe and Mail
Why can't technology flourish without trashing the environment? We can put people on the moon! We are well into the 21st century!
Yep, Victoria would be the city in question.
Ironic ain't it? The location that houses such a large population of eco-warriors can't see fit to clean up their own mess, but sure holler like scalded cats the moment that someone else wants to move a project forward.
Just like Goober pointed out yesterday, you rely on money as your life-line Cliffy in terms of social services, roads, parks, healthcare, etc..
Where do you think that the $$ comes from to fund all this?.. The greenies donate it to society maybe?
As for the investment in eco-tech.. Have you put your investment cash into the kitty? Suzuki? The rest of the eco-crowd?
I thought not
Physician - Heal thyself.
If nothing else, you are consistent and predictable. I know what I have done and it hasn't been at the expense of our life support system, which, BTW, is not the economy. If you want and choose to be blinded by the almighty dollar, that is your problem. There are far more important things in life, naming them would be meaningless to someone who cant see the forest for the dollar signs.
Do tell. Exactly what has NG to do with a tanker collision in Juan de Fuca strait?
Hiking trails bring in how much revenue?
Are a couple of part time minimum wage jobs in Burns lake more important than the thousands of high paying and highly taxed jobs producing and selling oil are to the economy?
The forest that has been harvested, replanted, hugged, reached maturity and is now ready to harvest again?
Jesus Christ I don't believe it- your first sensible post! Obviously you've been listening to me. :lol:
That is not a forest. It is a tree plantation. There are only about 5% of our old growth forests left. Mountain caribou are almost extinct along with many other species, red and blue listed species waiting for their final bow at the hands of the rapers and pillagers. Keep this crap up and we will be a victim of our our greed and stupidity. We don't need all this crap. We need quality of life not quantity.
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Solar and wind isn't going to cut it Cliffy. Do you have a woodstove or fireplace to heat your home?
Hell, give them the 18 months... Just start the construction on the first day of the hearings.
... But, but, doesn't burning wood add copious amounts of GHG's to the atmosphere? Will we have to start clear-cutting forests so we all can heat our homes?
Isn't that bad?
Did you look at the web site? It is way beyond solar and wind. Wood heat is what I used in the forest, not in town. It uses dead wood not live trees. Tesla's technology is being developed. There are a whole bunch of new tech coming up and would replace our dependency on oil if only the oil cartels would stop killing the people who are trying to bring it on line.