I'll bet there are already a dozen lawyers lined up to defend the pr!ck!
Not without a hell of a struggle. -
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Three RCMP Shot Dead in Moncton NB
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I'll bet there are already a dozen lawyers lined up to defend the pr!ck!
Not without a hell of a struggle. -
Either way I don't see a particularly enjoyable future for him. Down the road a few years, I think he might reflect that "he shouldn't have done that".
This "person" had this planned. He spoke about doing something like this to friends, he purposefully walked out in public with weapons and an appearance that would alarm people to get them to call 911...
There IS no defense for this; none. He wasn't "crazy", he didn't "snap"... he did this with full knowledge of what he was doing.
I hope he rots for what he did.
There IS no defense for this; none. He wasn't "crazy", he didn't "snap"... he did this with full knowledge of what he was doing.
I hope he rots for what he did.
There's no doubt in my mind, but between the lawyers and psychiatrists they'll make it out to be something else. That's the problem with our "justice" system, the people we should be able to depend on are just as bonkers/evil as the miscreants.
Indeed, everybody deserves a defense.
But nobody ever said they deserve a good defense.
And I'd hate to be the lawyer trying to defend the indefensible.
But nobody ever said they deserve a good defense.
And I'd hate to be the lawyer trying to defend the indefensible.
it's not him you are defending it's our system so they sure as hell had better do a good job, the lives of the innocent depend upon it
People of Moncton take back their streets, thank RCMP after shootings
By Andy Blatchford, The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – 14 hours ago
MONCTON, N.B. - Clutching his loaded hunting rifle, Justin Savoie huddled with his wife and two small children in their basement, unsure of what to expect as a gunman prowled their Moncton neighbourhood.
Savoie scrambled into the impromptu bunker after hearing the pops of multiple gunshots and the shouts of an RCMP officer urging him to run home as fast as he could.
"I didn't sleep at all," Savoie said Saturday of how he spent the next 30 hours under lockdown as the RCMP hunted for a suspect who shot five of their colleagues, killing three.
"It made me more comfortable to know that I had that hunting rifle in the house. That was my security system."
One of the officers killed Wednesday was the man who had warned Savoie about the danger.
RCMP officers arrested a suspect on Friday not far from Savoie's house. Justin Bourque, 24, is facing three charges of first-degree murder and two counts of attempted murder in the shootings, which besieged a large section of Moncton.
He appeared in court on Friday to face the allegations and his case was adjourned until next month.
On Saturday, people in the area shared stories about their traumatic experiences and expressed their gratitude to the RCMP for keeping them safe.
Savoie, a banker, said he was so impressed by their work that he signed up to take an RCMP entrance exam at the end of the month.
"This kind of intrigued me a little bit, and some other people actually, to join the RCMP," he said.
A parade and a regimental funeral is be held Tuesday afternoon for the three officers killed in the shootings: Const. Dave Ross, Const. Fabrice Georges Gevaudan, and Const. Douglas James Larche.
The force said in a statement that assistant commissioner Francois Bidal will oversee preparations for the funeral, which will follow the parade at the Moncton Coliseum.
Signs of widespread appreciation for the RCMP were visible Saturday in Moncton, where people were invited to sign books of condolences for the fallen officers at city hall.
But the gratitude was particularly prominent in the city's northwestern end where the shootings took place.
Messages of thanks were posted on businesses along the bustling Mountain Road, scrawled on colourful homemade banners outside residences and a few were even drawn in chalk on driveways.
People who live in the area also recognized the Mounties by hopping on their bicycles — en masse.
More than 200 locals, most of whom were children, raced up and down the streets in a bike rally that passed some of the spots where the officers were shot.
Many of the bikes had colourful, handmade signs hanging from the handlebars that featured messages like, "Thank you RCMP" and "Thanks to our officers." The children also planted red and white flowers in a garden as teary-eyed parents looked on.
"We wanted to sort of show people that this isn't a crime scene, it's our home," said Angela Gates, who helped organize the rally with her children.
"This is where we live, this is where our kids play and we just wanted to do something to say our streets are safe again."
At the end of the event, dozens of people lined up to shake the hands of two on-duty RCMP officers guarding one of the crime scenes. Some even gave them hugs.
Across the street, a curb was still stained with blood that hadn't been completely washed off.
Gates said she thanked the officers for their work during the lockdown.
"We felt very safe here," she said. "When we looked out our windows, there were police everywhere in our neighbourhood."
A woman who lives across the street from the scene of one shooting said she was impressed with how officers stood outside her home, guns drawn for hours.
She said she couldn't believe how dedicated they were, particularly after five of their colleagues had been shot.
"I can say that our officers were amazing — amazing," said Diana, who would only give her first name.
"They were scared out of their wits, too, just like the rest of us."
Diana, whose husband, Floyd, witnessed the shooting and saw the suspect, said the whole neighbourhood has been traumatized.
She said she was still trembling Saturday.
"It was scary as hell," she said.
Police continued their work in the area on Saturday.
A few dozen Mounties scoured a ballpark, a wooded area, and a field close to where officers arrested Bourque.
In the field, which runs behind the neighbourhood where Bourque was apprehended Friday, more than 20 officers walked nearly shoulder to shoulder, carefully sifting through the long grass in search of clues.
Police have said Bourque was not armed when he gave himself up to police on the lawn of a home close the field.
Longtime Mailhot Avenue resident Bob Leblanc said the town will overcome these events.
"I feel that the community is strong," he said.
"We'll get through this."
Leblanc said he saw a man carrying a rifle walk right past his house "nonchalantly" and slip between some hedges before the gunshots rang out.
The officer killed near Leblanc's house was the same one who warned Savoie to run away.
Savoie said he was the second-last person the Mountie shouted a directive at before being fatally shot.
The officer's final command, he said, told the shooter to get down.
Moments later, Savoie said he heard what he believes were the fatal blasts.
He's confident people in the community will eventually recover.
"You can only take things one day at a time and you can't assume that this is going to happen twice in a lifetime," Savoie said.
"Obviously, it's still something that's always going to be in the back of your mind."
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/rcmp-scour-moncton-wooded-area-suspect-mountie-shootings-145241948.html
By Andy Blatchford, The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – 14 hours ago
MONCTON, N.B. - Clutching his loaded hunting rifle, Justin Savoie huddled with his wife and two small children in their basement, unsure of what to expect as a gunman prowled their Moncton neighbourhood.
Savoie scrambled into the impromptu bunker after hearing the pops of multiple gunshots and the shouts of an RCMP officer urging him to run home as fast as he could.
"I didn't sleep at all," Savoie said Saturday of how he spent the next 30 hours under lockdown as the RCMP hunted for a suspect who shot five of their colleagues, killing three.
"It made me more comfortable to know that I had that hunting rifle in the house. That was my security system."
One of the officers killed Wednesday was the man who had warned Savoie about the danger.
RCMP officers arrested a suspect on Friday not far from Savoie's house. Justin Bourque, 24, is facing three charges of first-degree murder and two counts of attempted murder in the shootings, which besieged a large section of Moncton.
He appeared in court on Friday to face the allegations and his case was adjourned until next month.
On Saturday, people in the area shared stories about their traumatic experiences and expressed their gratitude to the RCMP for keeping them safe.
Savoie, a banker, said he was so impressed by their work that he signed up to take an RCMP entrance exam at the end of the month.
"This kind of intrigued me a little bit, and some other people actually, to join the RCMP," he said.
A parade and a regimental funeral is be held Tuesday afternoon for the three officers killed in the shootings: Const. Dave Ross, Const. Fabrice Georges Gevaudan, and Const. Douglas James Larche.
The force said in a statement that assistant commissioner Francois Bidal will oversee preparations for the funeral, which will follow the parade at the Moncton Coliseum.
Signs of widespread appreciation for the RCMP were visible Saturday in Moncton, where people were invited to sign books of condolences for the fallen officers at city hall.
But the gratitude was particularly prominent in the city's northwestern end where the shootings took place.
Messages of thanks were posted on businesses along the bustling Mountain Road, scrawled on colourful homemade banners outside residences and a few were even drawn in chalk on driveways.
People who live in the area also recognized the Mounties by hopping on their bicycles — en masse.
More than 200 locals, most of whom were children, raced up and down the streets in a bike rally that passed some of the spots where the officers were shot.
Many of the bikes had colourful, handmade signs hanging from the handlebars that featured messages like, "Thank you RCMP" and "Thanks to our officers." The children also planted red and white flowers in a garden as teary-eyed parents looked on.
"We wanted to sort of show people that this isn't a crime scene, it's our home," said Angela Gates, who helped organize the rally with her children.
"This is where we live, this is where our kids play and we just wanted to do something to say our streets are safe again."
At the end of the event, dozens of people lined up to shake the hands of two on-duty RCMP officers guarding one of the crime scenes. Some even gave them hugs.
Across the street, a curb was still stained with blood that hadn't been completely washed off.
Gates said she thanked the officers for their work during the lockdown.
"We felt very safe here," she said. "When we looked out our windows, there were police everywhere in our neighbourhood."
A woman who lives across the street from the scene of one shooting said she was impressed with how officers stood outside her home, guns drawn for hours.
She said she couldn't believe how dedicated they were, particularly after five of their colleagues had been shot.
"I can say that our officers were amazing — amazing," said Diana, who would only give her first name.
"They were scared out of their wits, too, just like the rest of us."
Diana, whose husband, Floyd, witnessed the shooting and saw the suspect, said the whole neighbourhood has been traumatized.
She said she was still trembling Saturday.
"It was scary as hell," she said.
Police continued their work in the area on Saturday.
A few dozen Mounties scoured a ballpark, a wooded area, and a field close to where officers arrested Bourque.
In the field, which runs behind the neighbourhood where Bourque was apprehended Friday, more than 20 officers walked nearly shoulder to shoulder, carefully sifting through the long grass in search of clues.
Police have said Bourque was not armed when he gave himself up to police on the lawn of a home close the field.
Longtime Mailhot Avenue resident Bob Leblanc said the town will overcome these events.
"I feel that the community is strong," he said.
"We'll get through this."
Leblanc said he saw a man carrying a rifle walk right past his house "nonchalantly" and slip between some hedges before the gunshots rang out.
The officer killed near Leblanc's house was the same one who warned Savoie to run away.
Savoie said he was the second-last person the Mountie shouted a directive at before being fatally shot.
The officer's final command, he said, told the shooter to get down.
Moments later, Savoie said he heard what he believes were the fatal blasts.
He's confident people in the community will eventually recover.
"You can only take things one day at a time and you can't assume that this is going to happen twice in a lifetime," Savoie said.
"Obviously, it's still something that's always going to be in the back of your mind."
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/rcmp-scour-moncton-wooded-area-suspect-mountie-shootings-145241948.html
I hear you too but don't believe that will happen here...
none the less looking for every wrinkle is the job of the lawyer, and if he were defending you, the emotion attached to it would not be the label of fuking azzhole...
it can not be done one way for one and another for someone else
it's the way the system plays it...it is not truthful or just but it's the best we currently have and we have to protect it at all costs
As one of the a*sholes, I'll answer that. The criminal judicial system is a machine, a machine that grinds up lives and spits them out. It also grinds up the Constitution and individual rights along the way, and produces bizarre results, like 5X the sentence for crack cocaine than for an equal amount of powder cocaine, or in some states a major felony conviction and substantial prison time for half a joint. The prosecutor is supposed to independently investigate and be convinced of the accused's guilt before he proceeds, but that doesn't happen. The cops find somebody who "looks good" for the crime, then the whole machine switches from looking for the criminal to making the tightest case they can against the accused. They bring dozens of people, millions of dollars, and a veil of secrecy that's damned hard to break. Against that, unless the accused happens to be rich, you've got a defence lawyer working alone, or a public defender with 500 other cases on his desk (the average U.S. public defender handles 600 cases a year). The defence rarely has any ability to conduct independent tests, little if any budget to investigate, and often can't even see the prosecution's full case, despite the legal requirement that the prosecution turn over all exculpatory evidence to the defence. It's also fighting against the bias of "if he wasn't guilty, the cops wouldn't have arrested him," which is the exact OPPOSITE of what the bias should be (innocent until proven guilty).
So, yeah, I'm gonna blow holes in the procedural case if I possibly can. I'm going to leap on every single tiny little error the cops and prosecutors have made. Because if they spelled the accused's name wrong, or got his address wrong, or his birthday, they're being sloppy. And being sloppy means they also might have fudged the forensic tests, or maybe it just kinda slipped their minds that they have some exculpatory evidence they were supposed to turn over to me.
And if my guy is guilty, I'm gonna use every trick in the book to get him off, or to get him a lighter sentence. Because when you have the might and wealth of the state all set up to lock you in a cell forever, you deserve to have one guy who's in your corner.
Oh, I like that avatar!! I agree with every "wrinkle" that casts doubt as to the guilt of the accused but not wrinkles arising from some bureaucrat screwing up. In this case there are lots of eye witnesses, finger prints etc. so I can't see any reason why the trial should last more than half an hour. Of course I know realistically (again because of a f*(ked up justice system) that, that won't happen.
O.K. Tecumseh, I stand corrected and upon further thought agree with what you say with one exception, which I've high lighted. How would you feel if you got an axe murderer (that you know to be guilty) acquitted and he went out and did a few more axe murders?
A whole lot worse than a prosecutor feels when somebody he locked up 20 years ago is finally exonerated. I know, I've spoken to them. And I've watched and listened while they just shrugged and said "Too bad. I was just doing my job." Even when the case was shot through with abuses of process and Constitutional violations.
But you're giving me a hypothetical. In real life, murderers who murder again after getting off are vanishingly rare. It's like the recently-popular hypothetical "What if you have a terrorist and he knows where and when the bomb will go off, but won't talk? Do you torture him?" My first question is "How do you know he has this knowledge?" You can construct absurd hypotheticals to "prove" anything you want to prove.
Seriously!!!
I posted on page one a link to the fathers Facebook page which was no better than the sons facebook page filled with pro-gun and anti-police..
https://www.facebook.com/nathaniel.bourque
Lets just say the apple doesn't fall far from the apple tree..
It also looks like he cleaned it up a little too.
A rare moment of reason for him if it happens.
Of course they will, thats what defence people do, anything that will get their client a lesser sentence or get them off. Thats part of the system like it or not. It does not mean that they will be successful.
Personally I couldn't do it. Not knowingly anyway. If I knew for a fact the person was guilty I wouldn't be able to defend them. If they are guilty and it is known, counsel them to plead guilty. Saying "not guilty" otherwise is a lie and a waste of time and money.
That is my feeling on the subject. What I think I could do is see the person gets a fair trial. Cops and prosecutors have been known to try through dishonest means to get a conviction, so they are just as scummy as the accused.
Take a gander at this and keep a dry eye.
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