Nah... it wasn't so bad... they weren't good terrorist... maybe they were making a bomb for the Americans... yeah that was it... not us in Canada... we're too nice... everyone loves us.
There was NO FERTILIZER - Toronto 17
- Thread starter Karlin
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eagle,
so a bomb goes off and lets say some group was good at their actions and killed as many as died in the twin towers.
So what?
3000 deaths in canada from terrorism is still small compared to the leading causes of death and still far less likely.
We do a better job of killing ourselves than terrorists could ever do.
So you get all worked up because it was sudden? Does it really make you more comfortable to know if it is coming? Would you be more comforted if you were told that exposure to PCBEs has caused cancer to grow in your body and you have 6 months to live?
Make no mistake, canada is not nice, everybody does not love canada. Just remember the real threats to your health and happiness come from within the organizations you cherish and trust more than from terrorist ideologists.
so a bomb goes off and lets say some group was good at their actions and killed as many as died in the twin towers.
So what?
3000 deaths in canada from terrorism is still small compared to the leading causes of death and still far less likely.
We do a better job of killing ourselves than terrorists could ever do.
So you get all worked up because it was sudden? Does it really make you more comfortable to know if it is coming? Would you be more comforted if you were told that exposure to PCBEs has caused cancer to grow in your body and you have 6 months to live?
Make no mistake, canada is not nice, everybody does not love canada. Just remember the real threats to your health and happiness come from within the organizations you cherish and trust more than from terrorist ideologists.
RE: There was NO FERTILIZ
Don't we try to avoid dying? Don't we have regulations on how to drive and who can drive and penalties if you injure/kill someone when you drive.
Don't we have medical and scientific research that attempt to rid us of diseases like Cancer, HIV, etc.
Shouldn't we try to prevent the loss of 3,000 lives?
Don't we try to avoid dying? Don't we have regulations on how to drive and who can drive and penalties if you injure/kill someone when you drive.
Don't we have medical and scientific research that attempt to rid us of diseases like Cancer, HIV, etc.
Shouldn't we try to prevent the loss of 3,000 lives?
it is called acceptable risk, vicious.
We do try to control the death rates, we do invest in research, but everything is done based on acceptable risk.
We do try to control the death rates, we do invest in research, but everything is done based on acceptable risk.
Interesting discussion guys. I am not going to weigh in yet. But I've got my popcorn, and I am really interested.
And seriously both sides have very valid points, I thought this was a silly thread but it is a really good interesting discussion.
And seriously both sides have very valid points, I thought this was a silly thread but it is a really good interesting discussion.
RE: There was NO FERTILIZ
I know this has Already been said.
But Iam gonna Lay ti right down nice and simple, It seems to be the mind set of the thread poster.
This operation, was a Sting. It was a set up to bust the alleged Terrorists, because the RCMP knew what they were looking to buy and knew what they wanted it for....Stings usally mean the alleged are infact Guilty.
I also fail to see Karlins awful connection between 9/11 and the Terror Plot. Apperantly, Bush knew the attacks were going to happen and let them happen. RCMP/HARPER/CSIS knew about Attacks AND STOPPED THEM...There for you theroy of Canadian Government trying to gain our support seems a little ....out to lunch...Because what seems to bet he fad is to allow the Attack to happen, then reap the Populations support for war.
I know this has Already been said.
But Iam gonna Lay ti right down nice and simple, It seems to be the mind set of the thread poster.
This operation, was a Sting. It was a set up to bust the alleged Terrorists, because the RCMP knew what they were looking to buy and knew what they wanted it for....Stings usally mean the alleged are infact Guilty.
I also fail to see Karlins awful connection between 9/11 and the Terror Plot. Apperantly, Bush knew the attacks were going to happen and let them happen. RCMP/HARPER/CSIS knew about Attacks AND STOPPED THEM...There for you theroy of Canadian Government trying to gain our support seems a little ....out to lunch...Because what seems to bet he fad is to allow the Attack to happen, then reap the Populations support for war.
Re: RE: There was NO FERTILIZER - Toronto 17
If you don't mourn the dead then I see no reason why you are commenting on what I said. Try again.
the caracal kid said:
If you don't mourn the dead then I see no reason why you are commenting on what I said. Try again.
the reason should be obvious, ITN.
You said we should be thankful we are debating "what ifs" and not mourning the dead, as if to suggest we here in Canada are so lucky or fortunate for our current conditions. There is nothing to be thankful for. That is the point.
You said we should be thankful we are debating "what ifs" and not mourning the dead, as if to suggest we here in Canada are so lucky or fortunate for our current conditions. There is nothing to be thankful for. That is the point.
Re: RE: There was NO FERTILIZER - Toronto 17
No, you are fortunate that your intelligence agencies did their job very well. That's what you should be thankful for.
the caracal kid said:
No, you are fortunate that your intelligence agencies did their job very well. That's what you should be thankful for.
why?
because a few people didn't get blown up?
your right. blowing them up would disrupt industry and not serve the intrests of the government well. Keeping the minions slaving away, now that serves their purpose. Should they die from exposure to toxins, or other reasons after enough exploitation, well thats ok. We would not want to shut down the meat-robot lines, would we.
There will always be malcontents. It just so happens the minions are told to be happy to be safe so that they will willingly continue to be exploited. "Oh no, there is a big bad terrorist out there that might just have killed a few people. Good thing our government which through its actions kills thousands of people a year stopped it. Now I am much safer". :lol:
because a few people didn't get blown up?
your right. blowing them up would disrupt industry and not serve the intrests of the government well. Keeping the minions slaving away, now that serves their purpose. Should they die from exposure to toxins, or other reasons after enough exploitation, well thats ok. We would not want to shut down the meat-robot lines, would we.
There will always be malcontents. It just so happens the minions are told to be happy to be safe so that they will willingly continue to be exploited. "Oh no, there is a big bad terrorist out there that might just have killed a few people. Good thing our government which through its actions kills thousands of people a year stopped it. Now I am much safer". :lol:
"I would have to say that I agree something is not right here. You guys don’t see a difference between having a bomb and trying to make one but the RCMP could have told us that they were attempting to buy the fertilizer not that the bomb was ready to go. It goes to show that the RCMP and the government are trying to make us afraid. That does not mean that these guys were harmless but We should have been told the truth."
Personally I don’t see a difference between having a bomb and trying to make one.
Much the same as commiting armed robbery without pulling the trigger.
Or kidnapping someone without killing them.
If you show that kind of intent I don't want you in my country or my community period.
"It goes to show that the RCMP and the government are trying to make us afraid."
Better afraid then dead my grandpa used to say.
Personally I don’t see a difference between having a bomb and trying to make one.
Much the same as commiting armed robbery without pulling the trigger.
Or kidnapping someone without killing them.
If you show that kind of intent I don't want you in my country or my community period.
"It goes to show that the RCMP and the government are trying to make us afraid."
Better afraid then dead my grandpa used to say.
Karlin: It came out today that there was not actually any fertilizer shipped to these "terrorists".
Iunderstood that to be the case from the first reports down here.
Don't know what the big deal is. So it wasn't real. They thought it was, which is the whole point really.
Iunderstood that to be the case from the first reports down here.
Don't know what the big deal is. So it wasn't real. They thought it was, which is the whole point really.
Safety is in understanding the threats.
The greater threats to you are closer than terrorism.
Terrorism should be one of the least of your worries.
Of course, the truth is people are raised to accept authority and trust authority. They are "the good guys". :lol: Most people do not like having their frameworks questioned. It raises uncertianty. Far better to live in the coccoon than step into the realities of the world. Challenge your own constructs.
The greater threats to you are closer than terrorism.
Terrorism should be one of the least of your worries.
Of course, the truth is people are raised to accept authority and trust authority. They are "the good guys". :lol: Most people do not like having their frameworks questioned. It raises uncertianty. Far better to live in the coccoon than step into the realities of the world. Challenge your own constructs.
Re: RE: There was NO FERTILIZER - Toronto 17
Communism is dead,get over it.
Let me guess,you have yet to pay any taxes yet. :beer:
It never fails,the young looney left straight out of university always become right wing when they have to pay there own way.
Believe me,know one is more a slave to authority than the socialist left, the only difference is they call it a cult.The real world is not living with your parents lol. :bootyshake:
the caracal kid said:
Communism is dead,get over it.
Let me guess,you have yet to pay any taxes yet. :beer:
It never fails,the young looney left straight out of university always become right wing when they have to pay there own way.
Believe me,know one is more a slave to authority than the socialist left, the only difference is they call it a cult.The real world is not living with your parents lol. :bootyshake:
RE: There was NO FERTILIZ
WOW that was some insightful post there, Swifty, just like a true Swifty-boat campaign, kudos to you for having nothing to say but saying it anyways...
No fertilizer = NO ACTUAL THREAT unlike the totally insane news stories suggested- no actually came out and asserted
There IS danger everywhere, but it is likely not the cartoony round bomb with the burning fuse which this whole "news story" pretty much WAS
BTW go look up communism and you can understand (hopefully) how silly your post was, especially when you quoted a post then attacked it with a meaningless non-sequitir, just plain stupid man
WOW that was some insightful post there, Swifty, just like a true Swifty-boat campaign, kudos to you for having nothing to say but saying it anyways...
No fertilizer = NO ACTUAL THREAT unlike the totally insane news stories suggested- no actually came out and asserted
There IS danger everywhere, but it is likely not the cartoony round bomb with the burning fuse which this whole "news story" pretty much WAS
BTW go look up communism and you can understand (hopefully) how silly your post was, especially when you quoted a post then attacked it with a meaningless non-sequitir, just plain stupid man
Re: RE: There was NO FERTILIZER - Toronto 17
I'm frightened that I'm starting to understand you. In order to confirm my understanding...
If you're saying life is a precious thing to be savoured every step of the way and that you would rather live your life by thumbing your nose at would be terrorists than alter your life one bit and show them the power of their threat. Then I'm behind you 100%. F*** 'em and let them rot in hell.
On the other hand, if your are saying all life is a waste of time and we're all just worm food walking around looking for that event that will plant us in the ground permanently. I can't support that. However, I've been there as well. But like alot of the people on this forum, I grew up, realized that the world wasn't being played out just for my entertainment and that when people die they don't just hit the Start Again button and then the game is back on.
the caracal kid said:
I'm frightened that I'm starting to understand you. In order to confirm my understanding...
If you're saying life is a precious thing to be savoured every step of the way and that you would rather live your life by thumbing your nose at would be terrorists than alter your life one bit and show them the power of their threat. Then I'm behind you 100%. F*** 'em and let them rot in hell.
On the other hand, if your are saying all life is a waste of time and we're all just worm food walking around looking for that event that will plant us in the ground permanently. I can't support that. However, I've been there as well. But like alot of the people on this forum, I grew up, realized that the world wasn't being played out just for my entertainment and that when people die they don't just hit the Start Again button and then the game is back on.
So, in summary, some quotes [thank you mabudon] -
1] According to police, suspects happily took possession of the "fertilizer" when it was delivered, not realizing that the RCMP had substituted harmless white powder in its stead.
-toronto star-
2] "I would have to say that I agree something is not right here. You guys don’t see a difference between having a bomb and trying to make one - the RCMP could have told us that they were attempting to buy the fertilizer not that the bomb was ready to go."
3] "There was indeed a notion to do something, it would appear, but I would think that folks who had been this badly infiltrated were not much of a threat "
4] It goes to show that the RCMP and the government are trying to make us afraid. That does not mean that these guys were harmless but We should have been told the truth.
5] Star -
The arrests also come at a time when Parliament is conducting a mandatory five-year review of Canada's new anti-terror laws. Before the arrests, there was a possibility that parliamentarians might recommend that the Harper government ease up on some of those laws. That now seems unlikely.For this, we can thank one of the world's most incompetent — or perhaps one of the world's most far-fetched — terrorist conspiracies.
K - and so , there is the conspiracy , with just some circumstantial proof in the form of timing, motive, character, history... Not enough to bring charges, but enough to cause us to take a good look at the whole War on Terror that is defining our age, and is leading the way to much more hardship and horrors than terrorists would cause, especially if we got the heck out of their lands, which is al they say they want of us/hate of us.
America says it has the right to secure its energy sources, and thats pretty much sums up the conflict. We should get out of this game, and start to find energy alternates, efficiences, etc
.{ Canada, could be self sufficient in energy.
1] According to police, suspects happily took possession of the "fertilizer" when it was delivered, not realizing that the RCMP had substituted harmless white powder in its stead.
-toronto star-
2] "I would have to say that I agree something is not right here. You guys don’t see a difference between having a bomb and trying to make one - the RCMP could have told us that they were attempting to buy the fertilizer not that the bomb was ready to go."
3] "There was indeed a notion to do something, it would appear, but I would think that folks who had been this badly infiltrated were not much of a threat "
4] It goes to show that the RCMP and the government are trying to make us afraid. That does not mean that these guys were harmless but We should have been told the truth.
5] Star -
The arrests also come at a time when Parliament is conducting a mandatory five-year review of Canada's new anti-terror laws. Before the arrests, there was a possibility that parliamentarians might recommend that the Harper government ease up on some of those laws. That now seems unlikely.For this, we can thank one of the world's most incompetent — or perhaps one of the world's most far-fetched — terrorist conspiracies.
K - and so , there is the conspiracy , with just some circumstantial proof in the form of timing, motive, character, history... Not enough to bring charges, but enough to cause us to take a good look at the whole War on Terror that is defining our age, and is leading the way to much more hardship and horrors than terrorists would cause, especially if we got the heck out of their lands, which is al they say they want of us/hate of us.
America says it has the right to secure its energy sources, and thats pretty much sums up the conflict. We should get out of this game, and start to find energy alternates, efficiences, etc
.{ Canada, could be self sufficient in energy.
Re: RE: There was NO FERTILIZER - Toronto 17
Well stated Vicious.
Here's some more reality checks for the "No fertilizer = NO ACTUAL THREAT"club.
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/terrorism/
Warning extreme graphics.
I'm astounded by the lack of compassion from this new breed of "Left Wing Looneys" coming out of some of our Universities.
Vicious said:
Well stated Vicious.
Here's some more reality checks for the "No fertilizer = NO ACTUAL THREAT"club.
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/terrorism/
Warning extreme graphics.
I'm astounded by the lack of compassion from this new breed of "Left Wing Looneys" coming out of some of our Universities.