There is no heaven, it ‘is a fairy story,’ Stephen Hawking says

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Perhaps not to you. What is surprising is the boundless limits some folks go to in order to show that they don't care about the truth as long as they have the comfort of their beliefs. While I don't mind what you believe and support your right to believe what ever it is you want to believe, I do with you would stop insisting that it's the truth and I am a bad person for not agreeing with your beliefs.

You are painting everyone who is spiritual or has faith with the same brush. Not every person of faith does this, in fact most don't. Only the zealots. By the way there are zealots on both sides of this argument. [For anyone poised to gallop in and start yapping off about Muslims, piss off by the way]

Personally, I believe there is something beyond life. I was raised in a Catholic family, but broke from the church very young and now I suppose you could call me agnostic. However, I know many people who are Christian who still embrace scientific study. Most of them look upon the scriptures as written by man and therefore open to interpretation and not the outright "word of god."

Stephen Hawking says there is no heaven? Can Steve O prove this? He can't, no more than I can prove that there is. As I said, I'm not denying the fact that there are some really nutty religious folks out there, but the same can be said for some athiest folks who lash out at anyone of faith. In fact these folks have a religion of their own.

You and I part ways on what happens after death Unf, but I would never judge you based on your faith or lack thereof.

That's why the Lord gave you Free Will. :p
 

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You are painting everyone who is spiritual or has faith with the same brush. Not every person of faith does this, in fact most don't. Only the zealots. By the way there are zealots on both sides of this argument. [For anyone poised to gallop in and start yapping off about Muslims, piss off by the way]

Personally, I believe there is something beyond life. I was raised in a Catholic family, but broke from the church very young and now I suppose you could call me agnostic. However, I know many people who are Christian who still embrace scientific study. Most of them look upon the scriptures as written by man and therefore open to interpretation and not the outright "word of god."

Stephen Hawking says there is no heaven? Can Steve O prove this? He can't, no more than I can prove that there is. As I said, I'm not denying the fact that there are some really nutty religious folks out there, but the same can be said for some athiest folks who lash out at anyone of faith. In fact these folks have a religion of their own.

You and I part ways on what happens after death Unf, but I would never judge you based on your faith or lack thereof.

That's why the Lord gave you Free Will. :p

 

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Personally, I believe there is something beyond life. I was raised in a Catholic family, but broke from the church very young and now I suppose you could call me agnostic. However, I know many people who are Christian who still embrace scientific study. Most of them look upon the scriptures as written by man and therefore open to interpretation and not the outright "word of god."
The Vatican employs some of the best scientists in the world in a vast array of doctrines. It was the Catholics who started the first universities and possesses the largest and oldest library on the planet. The RC considers knowledge (Sophia) as God's greatest gift to man thus deeply rooting science as part of the Church.

The Vatican employs some of the best scientists in the world in a vast array of doctrines. It was the Catholics who started the first universities and possesses the largest and oldest library on the planet. The RC considers knowledge (Sophia) as God's greatest gift to man thus deeply rooting science as part of the Church.


Sophia Hagia Istanbul.


Nice boob.....just so you know, the Church (Mosques too) is the female to God's masculinity.
 

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There is no more proof of a god than there is of big foot, ghosts or psychic abilities.
The lot of you, you too Gerry, can bring all the solid indisputable proof right here to knock this smile off my face.

Till then,

 

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There is no more proof of a god than there is of big foot, ghosts or psychic abilities.
The lot of you, you too Gerry, can bring all the solid indisputable proof right here to knock this smile off my face.

Proof of psychic ability. I know exactly what your thinking to yourself. "Man I wish my Johnson wasn't so tiny."

I'll be back later with proof of Bigfoot and God.:p
 

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You are painting everyone who is spiritual or has faith with the same brush. Not every person of faith does this, in fact most don't. Only the zealots. By the way there are zealots on both sides of this argument. [For anyone poised to gallop in and start yapping off about Muslims, piss off by the way]

Personally, I believe there is something beyond life. I was raised in a Catholic family, but broke from the church very young and now I suppose you could call me agnostic. However, I know many people who are Christian who still embrace scientific study. Most of them look upon the scriptures as written by man and therefore open to interpretation and not the outright "word of god."

Stephen Hawking says there is no heaven? Can Steve O prove this? He can't, no more than I can prove that there is. As I said, I'm not denying the fact that there are some really nutty religious folks out there, but the same can be said for some athiest folks who lash out at anyone of faith. In fact these folks have a religion of their own.

You and I part ways on what happens after death Unf, but I would never judge you based on your faith or lack thereof.

That's why the Lord gave you Free Will. :p

Maybe Hawking should stick to his discipline of expertise! :smile:
 

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There is no more proof of a god than there is of big foot, ghosts or psychic abilities.
The lot of you, you too Gerry, can bring all the solid indisputable proof right here to knock this smile off my face.

Till then,



You mean you haven't had your personal epiphany? Sucks to be you.
 

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Before we can come to any kind of agreement about God, we have to define Him/Her/It. It's obvious there is something somewhere greater than man......................man didn't invent himself or hatch from a dinosaur ejaculating on a rock. :smile:
 

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Before we can come to any kind of agreement about God, we have to define Him/Her/It. It's obvious there is something somewhere greater than man......................man didn't invent himself or hatch from a dinosaur ejaculating on a rock. :smile:

Hmmmmmmmm who here could be hatched from a dinosaur ejaculating on a rock?

Let's think about this for a second.



Simulated Ejaculate <---so as not to offend the kiddies.




And the winner is!!!!!!



Sorry Colpy, you had the best profile pic!!!!!:p
 
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I see Unf is quite upset that our Lord has not deemed him worthy. The problem is Unf, it's really the other way around. YOU are the one that has deemed our Lord not to be worthy. You've decided that you are above such things. You've made up your mind and closed it off to any possibilities. That's why I say it sucks to be you. Obviously, since you gave me the negative rep, it bothers you quite a bit, and I'm glad I'm not in your shoes.
 

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I see Unf is quite upset that our Lord has not deemed him worthy. The problem is Unf, it's really the other way around. YOU are the one that has deemed our Lord not to be worthy. You've decided that you are above such things. You've made up your mind and closed it off to any possibilities. That's why I say it sucks to be you. Obviously, since you gave me the negative rep, it bothers you quite a bit, and I'm glad I'm not in your shoes.

This is perhaps the biggest problem with you religious folk. First you say who can know the mind of the Lord and in the next breath you start telling people what the Lord thinks of them. Fact of the matter is, you haven't a clue what the Lord thinks at any moment, if there is a Lord at all and if there is, if any of the BS you and others like you put themselves and other through is even of the slightest interest of the Lord.

Like Popeye said, "I am what I am." Unlike yourself, I pilot my own course in the way that I see as best. I am responsible for all my actions and those actions that come about in the wake of my own. Not some imaginary misogynistic invisible man in the sky, not some emotional, idealistic, imaginary female consciousness of this planet,
Not some far seeing wise old man of thousands of years ago.

While you have taken what information you have and made a decision about life in general based on it, I find there simply isn't enough reliable information available for me to make any such life altering decision for myself. I certainly think it foolish to refuse what my own eyes tell me in favour of what you think is best for me.

Further, in your own basis for morality you are told that all have free will. That I exercise my own upsets you enough to wade in with the insults and derision shows to me just how feeble your own convictions in the religion you chose for yourself is. If it was the right one, you wouldn't need to attempt to belittle me to make your own choices feel better to you.

As for Negreps, you feel it's important to make a point about the pictures I post in this thread regardless of the well meaning light hearted feelings behind them, to tell me that you are offended and certainly disapprove of them, while taking exception to having my opinion of your own comments voiced and brought to your attention.

You say it sucks to be me? Maybe it does but you don't know that. Again it's just that judgmental aspect brought on by what you've been taught to go on the attack against what you think isn't conforming to your version of the norm.
I know of other people who do that. I don't think much of them for it. I can accept that you think it sucks to be me and that you sure are glad not to be in my shoes. Sorry what I say makes you feel that way but I also accept that you're going to feel the way you want regardless of what I say or do. So I'll not let it bother me as I have no control over it.

I am happy with my lot in life. If I were to drop down dead right this minute I would honestly say I've no regrets.
It's a good life as far as I am concerned and I have been far more happy than sad or angry. A win in my books.

As for possibilities, I am open to all of them, but not blindly. I can be convinced of nearly anything if there is proof of it. Unlike you, I can change my mind about religion should the right things happen. You it seems on the other hand can not.

Like I said earlier in the thread, feel free to prove that there is a god and I will acknowledge that, but until then, please try to stop shoving your religion down my throat.
 

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What form of a God are you looking for? It could be in the form of superior strength than you previously had. A lot of recovered alcoholics who were previously hopeless can probably provide as much proof as Y.J. Too bad Bill W. (co founder of AA) is not around.

One that I can see. There must be over a thousand different religions on earth and they kill constantly over who has the direct line to god. Since even the truthers can't agree on one god how can they expect any rational thinking person to believe any of them? Some of them must be wrong.
 

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One that I can see. There must be over a thousand different religions on earth and they kill constantly over who has the direct line to god. Since even the truthers can't agree on one god how can they expect any rational thinking person to believe any of them? Some of them must be wrong.

Maybe all of them.
 

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This is perhaps the biggest problem with you religious folk. First you say who can know the mind of the Lord and in the next breath you start telling people what the Lord thinks of them. Fact of the matter is, you haven't a clue what the Lord thinks at any moment, if there is a Lord at all and if there is, if any of the BS you and others like you put themselves and other through is even of the slightest interest of the Lord.

Put myself through? and what would that be oh wise one.

Like Popeye said, "I am what I am." Unlike yourself, I pilot my own course in the way that I see as best. I am responsible for all my actions and those actions that come about in the wake of my own. Not some imaginary misogynistic invisible man in the sky, not some emotional, idealistic, imaginary female consciousness of this planet,
Not some far seeing wise old man of thousands of years ago.

I pilot my own course also.

While you have taken what information you have and made a decision about life in general based on it, I find there simply isn't enough reliable information available for me to make any such life altering decision for myself. I certainly think it foolish to refuse what my own eyes tell me in favour of what you think is best for me.

See, this is a far cry from you demanding "evidence" and telling me to shut the fu ck up if I can't provide it.

Further, in your own basis for morality you are told that all have free will. That I exercise my own upsets you enough to wade in with the insults and derision shows to me just how feeble your own convictions in the religion you chose for yourself is. If it was the right one, you wouldn't need to attempt to belittle me to make your own choices feel better to you.

It was you that told me specifically to shut the fu ck up, so how about we get it straight as to who did what.

As for Negreps, you feel it's important to make a point about the pictures I post in this thread regardless of the well meaning light hearted feelings behind them, to tell me that you are offended and certainly disapprove of them, while taking exception to having my opinion of your own comments voiced and brought to your attention.

The pic was highly insulting, and you posted it for that specific purpose.

As for possibilities, I am open to all of them, but not blindly. I can be convinced of nearly anything if there is proof of it. Unlike you, I can change my mind about religion should the right things happen. You it seems on the other hand can not.

wrong, but that's ok, I'm used to you not having a clue when you post.

Like I said earlier in the thread, feel free to prove that there is a god and I will acknowledge that, but until then, please try to stop shoving your religion down my throat.

Me shoving my religion down your throat? That's rich, who started this thread again?
 

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Put myself through? and what would that be oh wise one.

What ever it is you do that you do because your religion dictates that you do.

I pilot my own course also.

Yeah sure as long as it's going in the one prescribed direction you sure do. To me, that's like having anything you want for dinner as long as it's beans and toast.

See, this is a far cry from you demanding "evidence" and telling me to shut the fu ck up if I can't provide it.

That offer still stands of you choose to accept it. Though I don't demand evidence, I offer you the opportunity to provide what it is that I will accept to change my mind. Of course you have neither offered up a single shred nor shut the fu ck up so the evidence that you're a load mouth that won't back up what he claims to be the truth does pile up. Some would say "it's a hole dude quit digging" I choose to smile and accept the choices you make instead.

It was you that told me specifically to shut the fu ck up, so how about we get it straight as to who did what.

That was Penn Jillette actually. Check him out about it here

The pic was highly insulting, and you posted it for that specific purpose.

Meh it was a picture, and it combined two of my pet likes, irony and shock value. So far you're the only one who felt it so offensive you mentioned it and gave me a negative rep for it and I guess based on your own criteria it bothers you quite a bit. Like I said, I can't be held accountable for the way you feel. I told you what was behind posting it honestly, and you make up whatever suits your mood. Therefore nothing I can do about it.

wrong, but that's ok, I'm used to you not having a clue when you post.

What is wrong Gerry? That I can change my mind or that you can't?

Me shoving my religion down your throat? That's rich, who started this thread again?

Yup that's exactly what you did when you posted what you posted here about me. Not that you could accept that his opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion, was different than yours, but you have to attack because you can't simply provide even a single shred of proof that your belief has any truth to it. No one has ever managed to do that so don't feel so bad about it.

I understand why you do it, it's just me telling you that you shouldn't bother me with it. I don't have agnotics or atheists come knocking on your door telling you to stop believing in your religion do I? Of course not, that would be shoving my religion or lack of one, down your throat. That just ain't kosher. lol
 

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Yup that's exactly what you did when you posted what you posted here about me. Not that you could accept that his opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion, was different than yours, but you have to attack because you can't simply provide even a single shred of proof that your belief has any truth to it. No one has ever managed to do that so don't feel so bad about it.

Here's te only thing I had posted in this thread before you decided to get insulting.


And at one time flying was a fairy tale, as was the earth being round or being able to leave this earth to explore the galaxy. While Hawking may be a brilliant man, he doesn't have all the answers.


I understand why you do it, it's just me telling you that you shouldn't bother me with it. I don't have agnotics or atheists come knocking on your door telling you to stop believing in your religion do I? Of course not, that would be shoving my religion or lack of one, down your throat. That just ain't kosher. lol


As I said, who started this thread again?