There is evidence of life after death, scientists say
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Odd that the study found some interesting things that need more research. Some anomalies, some factors that were repeated. More study is what they say.
Now the science crowd is slamming this long term study.
Guess they have not had "their come to Jesus moment", yet?????
Now the science crowd is slamming this long term study.
Guess they have not had "their come to Jesus moment", yet?????
not even the just the sub conscious...it gets intertwined with all...the base doesn't leave
I don't think they are slamming it, as much as they are arguing about the finer details. Like when are you actually dead? If your heart has stopped, but the ER specialists are performing ventilation and chest compression, that is delivering essential oxygen to your brains machinery, which means it can be kept 'alive' and functioning even though your heart has stopped.
So to have memories of it taking place, is not outside of the realm of possibilities.
I wonder how much of what people experience "near" death as, is the brain trying to comfort itself. Panic, confusion, intense fear, and even pain make the brain change in amazing ways and cope with things seen, things perceived in some amazing ways.
You hear about people who experience horrifying trauama and witnessed horrible acts who's brain has divided their personality and created "characters" to handle and store the emotions and memories.
Science and psychiatry haven't merged or can agree on what is mechanical and what is fanciful and what is both.
Science is still trying to figure out just what the brain can do, where it does it, why it does it.
I don't personally find any comfort in the idea that I could be 2 seperate things. A phsyical body and a thing that can survive without any body or physicality. Provable physicality that is.
You hear about people who experience horrifying trauama and witnessed horrible acts who's brain has divided their personality and created "characters" to handle and store the emotions and memories.
Science and psychiatry haven't merged or can agree on what is mechanical and what is fanciful and what is both.
Science is still trying to figure out just what the brain can do, where it does it, why it does it.
I don't personally find any comfort in the idea that I could be 2 seperate things. A phsyical body and a thing that can survive without any body or physicality. Provable physicality that is.
Like this one.From the OP. As to what the ER staff was doing that would have been taken into consideration by the study. Yes - no - maybe? Myself i would state a firm yes it would be.
Thing is we do not know if they were doing it, until reading the study.
This I believe is the study- poached from another board.
http://www.alphagalileo.org/AssetVie...CultureCode=en
a b s t r a c t
Background:
Cardiac arrest (CA) survivors experience cognitive deficits including post-traumatic stress
disorder (PTSD). It is unclear whether these are related to cognitive/mental experiences and awareness
during CPR. Despite anecdotal reports the broad range of cognitive/mental experiences and awareness
associated with CPR has not been systematically studied.
Methods:
The incidence and validity of awareness together with the range, characteristics and themes
relating to memories/cognitive processes during CA was investigated through a 4 year multi-center
observational study using a three stage quantitative and qualitative interview system. The feasibility
of objectively testing the accuracy of claims of visual and auditory awareness was examined using spe-
cific tests. The outcome measures were (1) awareness/memories during CA and (2) objective verification
of claims of awareness using specific tests.
Results:
Among 2060 CA events, 140 survivors completed stage 1 interviews, while 101 of 140 patients
completed stage 2 interviews. 46% had memories with 7 major cognitive themes: fear; animals/plants;
bright light; violence/persecution; deja-vu; family; recalling events post-CA and 9% had NDEs, while 2%
described awareness with explicit recall of ‘seeing’ and ‘hearing’ actual events related to their resusci-
tation. One had a verifiable period of conscious awareness during which time cerebral function was not
expected.
From the OP
One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room.
Despite being unconscious and “dead” for three minutes the 57-year-old social worker from Southampton, recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines.
“We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating,” said Dr Sam Parnia, a former Southampton University research fellow now based at the State University of New York, who led the study.
“But in this case conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes into the period when the heart wasn’t beating, even though the brain typically shuts down within 20-30 seconds after the heart has stopped.
Reclassify dead as being longer than 3 days without taking a breath and so much for that theory.
Near death in these cases means they are clinically dead. No brain waves etc.
And people are having experiences beyond.
As one doctor has said when they are not seeing any brain activity and people are being brought back with an experience it means they have experienced something beyond with the human brain is capable of giving. If there are no brain waves the brain is not producing an experience.
Also... people have brought back with them an experience that has had life changing effects. As another doctor has said, no state of unconscious has been able to make these changes but a "near death" experience does.
On TV I saw an interview of an electrician who crawled under a house and was whacked (zapped) with a live wire and was electrocuted. No heart beat... clinically dead until he was revived. When he got out he gave up being an electrician and became a preacher. As the owner of the house said...
"I sent an electrician into the crawl space and pulled out a preacher."
He's not the only one either.
So Cliffy can talk about the ex-preacher that had an experience beyond and said it's all crap without saying what he saw. I say that story is crap. Just Cliffy being anti-Christian once again.
Sure there's life after death .... Just that there's no BEER there
so no life for you then lol
When I was hit by the logging truck, I distinctly remember being outside my body, hovering over it looking down on the scene. When my neighbour started shaking my body, asking if I was alright, I re-entered my body long enough to tell he to stop, then left again. I was in and out of my body several times over the period of several hours, but when the hospital staff dropped me on the floor while trasferring me from one gurney to another, I split altogether and did not regain consciousness until 24 hours later. In this other place I was given a choice whether to continue down that path or return to my body. I chose to return. I have since met several others who had similar experiences and there are many more that have been documented.
It really is irrelevant to me whether anybody believes me or thinks it is a trick of the mind. I know what I experienced. It had a very profound effect on how I relate to life. It has been my experience that most people do not appreciate life as much as someone who has had to face their own mortality and survived. They usually become more compassionate, caring and socially conscious. As Jesus supposedly said, "sufficient unto the day are its troubles" or as the Buddhists say, "Be in the present." The past in just a poor memory and tomorrow is just a dream, an illusion.
It really is irrelevant to me whether anybody believes me or thinks it is a trick of the mind. I know what I experienced. It had a very profound effect on how I relate to life. It has been my experience that most people do not appreciate life as much as someone who has had to face their own mortality and survived. They usually become more compassionate, caring and socially conscious. As Jesus supposedly said, "sufficient unto the day are its troubles" or as the Buddhists say, "Be in the present." The past in just a poor memory and tomorrow is just a dream, an illusion.
The upside is
no housework
dishes or
Nagging
haha...I'll do the housework for a little longer thanks, nag, nag
Sure there's life after death .... Just that there's no BEER there
Maybe it won't matter. Once you cast your earthly shell perhaps the effects of alcohol is so trivial and irrelevant.
Brain Death
Brain death is different. As the term suggests, in brain death there is no hope of recovery. Medically, brain death is death.
Brain death is different. As the term suggests, in brain death there is no hope of recovery. Medically, brain death is death.