The US' greatest gift to Canada?

Bar Sinister

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Just for the hell of it, I thought I'd post a serious contribution to this thread. How about the United Empire Loyalists? They came from the United States and without them Canada would probably have remained an underpopulated French-speaking colony of Britain. And no, this is not an attempt to slur Quebec.
 

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Just for the hell of it, I thought I'd post a serious contribution to this thread. How about the United Empire Loyalists? They came from the United States and without them Canada would probably have remained an underpopulated French-speaking colony of Britain. And no, this is not an attempt to slur Quebec.

So in other words, the US' greatest contribution is many of us via our ancestors. Never thought of that one. In the OP, I was thinking more in the realm of ideas, but you're absolutely right. The US also contributed to our very presence.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Actually it's pretty hard to pick the US' greatest gift to Canada that isn't also a gift to the rest of the world. I can't think of much that's unique and specific to Canada. Continental security perhaps? We were able to let our military languish and decline for decades because the Americans filled the gap and successive federal administrations, both Liberal and Conservative, knew they would. The current Conservative administration is the first one since 1945 that's shown any serious interest in supporting and expanding our military forces, though I know there are some here who wouldn't view that as positive. Machjo's also right that the US contributed to our very presence. The War of 1812 comes to mind; it helped generate a distinct sense of Canadianness separate from the British identity, never mind that it was based mostly on mythology. That's where all national identities come from. The transcontinental railway was built in the 1870s partly as a response to American expansionism, so I suppose we could be grateful for that too. That was also a factor in the creation of the RCMP. But those all seem a bit negative to me. I really don't think the US has given Canada any significant gifts that it hasn't also given to the world, and that list is endless. Greatest among them, in my considered opinion, is the US Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. Those are great documents from some of the world's best minds, they embody the best of Enlightenment values, and they show what is possible when you trust the best of human reason to find solutions to human problems.
 

Icarus27k

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Gosh, we Americans are saints. I had no idea. I like to think we Americans gave the greatest gift of all: a child's laughter.









[Not being snarky. Just light-hearted.]
 

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Gosh, we Americans are saints. I had no idea. I like to think we Americans gave the greatest gift of all: a child's laughter.









[Not being snarky. Just light-hearted.]

Not saints; only human. After all, considering that all nations have contributed to all nations, it' only natural that the US' contributions to Canada are among them.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Gosh, we Americans are saints. I had no idea.
No, you're pretty good, but you're not that good. :)

I think as a society you've lost track a bit of the ideals expressed so eloquently in your constitutional documents, but if there's to be a global superpower, I'm glad it's you guys and not the Soviets or the Chinese, or anybody else. I don't think any other nation would be as magnanimous and civilized about it as you are, and that's due to the ideals expressed in your constitutional documents. Your founders wrought well.
 

Machjo

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No, you're pretty good, but you're not that good. :)

I think as a society you've lost track a bit of the ideals expressed so eloquently in your constitutional documents, but if there's to be a global superpower, I'm glad it's you guys and not the Soviets or the Chinese, or anybody else. I don't think any other nation would be as magnanimous and civilized about it as you are, and that's due to the ideals expressed in your constitutional documents. Your founders wrought well.

I wouldn't go that far; remember the Spanish-American War which turned out to have been started on trumped up accusations, the acquisition of Texas and the Phillipines, etc.?

I don't think the US did any better or worse than other countries would have in the same position. The US really ameliorated after the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

That said, I still stand by my OP, that the US has still made a great contribution to the framing of human rights laws in Canada.
 

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That's the best you can come up with? I'm not sure which is worse between Spam and McDonald's.

Man, we all sure have different ideas about what good things the US gave us and when we should have held back at the gate. Spam is among the latter in my book.

I was trying to toss a bit of humor into what was destined to become an America bashing thread.

What did America give us? Well they gave us the Shelby Mustang. We gave them William Shatner and they gave us James T Kirk. We gave them James Cameron and they gave us Terminator, Alens, Titanic, and Avatar. We gave them Celine Dion and by god they kept her as long as they could. They gave us a place to put our our Canada Arm and a seat for Canadian Astronauts to venture into the heavens. They gave us rivalry in Womens Olympic Hockey and a team to cheer for when our beloved Canadians got knocked out. They gave us baseball and two World series pennants to boast about.

America has given us Culture and Music, Science and Medicine, they stood by us in war. They gave us an auto industry. They gave us television and film. They invested in our film industry which was a joke before they set up studio's in Vancouver and Toronto. They have been our friend and companion and though we sometimes argued they never turned their back.

I have been to many Cities and Towns in the USA and have always been welcomed by the people. I have always marveled at at their industry and been fascinated by their love of Country. They are not perfect, but I could think of no better neighbor or friend to live next to. I could go on, but the America haters are salivating and so I hope that this outdoes my initial Spam contribution (which kept me fed in school lunch as a poor kid) back in my youth.
 

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They gave us count Iggy. Oh right I forgot they were simply returning damaged goods.
Actually there are very few of us that hate Americans. We just get tired of all the right wing fundies that think god gave them the right to rule/ruin the planet.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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They gave us count Iggy. Oh right I forgot they were simply returning damaged goods.
Actually there are very few of us that hate Americans. We just get tired of all the right wing fundies that think god gave them the right to rule/ruin the planet.

You were doing so well. Damn.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I wouldn't go that far; remember the Spanish-American War which turned out to have been started on trumped up accusations, the acquisition of Texas and the Phillipines, etc.
Yes. Well, I don't "remember" them exactly, but I've read about them. I was thinking of things like America's relatively benevolent and short occupation of Japan and the Marshall Plan that rebuilt a shattered Europe after WW2. American history, like any other nation's history, has some black spots on it, but I don't think any other imperial power has ever behaved that well.
 

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There was nothing unlawful about the acquisition of Texas,

Mexico had California and Texas for less than 15 years. If Mexico has a right to Texas and California than so does India to former territories of the British Empire - Pakistan, Bhutan, Burma, Bangladesh, Pakistan, et al.

If anything, judging by how the Criollos (Euro-Spanish Americans) preferred staying in American-occupied Texas and California, indicates as much that they had no intention in staying in a Neo-Aztec Empire in Mesoamerica, Mexico, which at the time was ruled by the powermongering Santa Anna.
 

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Yes. Well, I don't "remember" them exactly, but I've read about them. I was thinking of things like America's relatively benevolent and short occupation of Japan and the Marshall Plan that rebuilt a shattered Europe after WW2. American history, like any other nation's history, has some black spots on it, but I don't think any other imperial power has ever behaved that well.

Japan is occupied today seventy years after the war. Germany has never had independent government in all that time either and the Marshall Plan was not the benevolent act that you seem to believe it was. Your idea of kind imperialism is insane. When will you confess your ignorance and be saved? Like me. Supercilious twit. Did I say that?
 

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How about its very existence.

Had the US not become involved in World War II, the Germans would have taken over Britain. Great Britain would have moved their government to Canada, and the country would be an entirely different place than it is.
 

ironsides

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How about its very existence.

Had the US not become involved in World War II, the Germans would have taken over Britain. Great Britain would have moved their government to Canada, and the country would be an entirely different place than it is.

That would make a good book, what would the world be like today if American had not entered the war against Germany. Cannot see how we could have avoided war with Japan though.
 

CDNBear

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That would make a good book, what would the world be like today if American had not entered the war against Germany. Cannot see how we could have avoided war with Japan though.
Roughly the same.

Lets not get swelled heads here.
 

gerryh

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How about its very existence.

Had the US not become involved in World War II, the Germans would have taken over Britain. Great Britain would have moved their government to Canada, and the country would be an entirely different place than it is.


:roll:
 

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That would make a good book, what would the world be like today if American had not entered the war against Germany. Cannot see how we could have avoided war with Japan though.
FDR was preparing for War with Germany well before it began.
 

Bar Sinister

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Japan is occupied today seventy years after the war. Germany has never had independent government in all that time either and the Marshall Plan was not the benevolent act that you seem to believe it was.

You are going to have to explain those pronouncements for me, because I just don't understand them the way they are now.