The ugly Americans

[Tecumsehsbones]

Put another way how can you have a nation based on the idea of all people being created equal and government of the people, by the people, for the people, if you have a tiny minority who use their wealth and power to rob and disenfranchise millions of their fellow Americans?

I think you mean all adult white male Protestant property owners being created equal and government of the adult white male Protestant property owners, by the adult white male Protestant property owners, and for the adult white male Protestant property owners.

 

[EagleSmack]

So much left hand spin in this one it's hard to know where to start.......
Just of the top of my head....I guess we Canadians are being denied voters' rights by having to show photo I.D. at the poll stations uh?:roll:

That is right DaS. You beat me to it. Canada which requires an ID is denying people the right to vote.

Isn't that the dumbest thing you ever heard.

What could possibly be the legitimate fault with it? You're on a voter list, you submit your ID to prove that you are indeed the person on that list, then you vote. We do it here all the time. Are we somehow less democratic in our voting process?

Common sense.

However the Voter ID Law is deemed racist here in the US. Asking people to present an ID to ensure that they are the actual person voting supposedly disenfranchises minorities.

During the Presidential election I put my vote up. Any one of you male Canadians could have come down and voted for President instead of me. All you would have had to do is walk into the correct polling station, give them my name, and you would have got a ballot. It is that easy.

 

[gopher]

To put this in context, if this was 1775, the Sons Of Freedom and people like Samuel Adams and John Hancock wouldn't be working for or with the Kochs, they'd be writing pamphlets about how corrupt and arrogant they were and would be carrying out acts of defiance that would have them labeled as terrorists in todays US.

It's sad that the legacy of one of the first acts of American independence has been stolen by individuals who don't have a clue what America is really all about.

And it's about freedom for all, not just the few that can afford to spend millions on creating their own media echo chamber, buy off politicians at all levels, create "astroturf" organizations, suppress voters rights, attack the right to collect bargain and more.

These are things that tyrants do, not what free thinking, freedom loving patriots do.

You are 100% correct. Our Founding Fathers were very much opposed to the abuses of corporations. History is quite clear on that matter:

What the Founding Fathers Really Thought About Corporations - Justin Fox - Harvard Business Review

What The Founding Fathers Thought About Corporations | Addicting Info




"Thomas Jefferson also said this in 1816, “I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”

 

[EagleSmack]

They want to resegregate schools.

In other words they want kids to be able to go to schools in their own neighborhoods and not force them to bus people back and forth across the city.

Forced Bussing destroyed Boston Public Schools. Wealthy White Liberals had the bright idea to bus poor white kids into poor black kids neighborhoods and then bus poor black kids into poor white neighborhoods and everything would be wonderful. It was a disaster. However they did not want to bus either poor class into the Wealthy Liberal White Suburbs. That way they could keep Muffy and Bradley safe and still call the poor white people racist.

 

[petros]

And having convicts voting is definitely something we should get rid of in Canada IMHO.

Can I ask why?

If a central part of democracy is the evolution of law, how do those impacted directly by obsolete laws get fair representation in changing mediocre legislation?

Hope for the best?

 

[wulfie68]

This is where the partisanship shows itself to be out of control on both sides, yet again. And please forgive my "border hopping" as I am a Canadian living and working in the US, married to an American and my son is an American.

- voter I.D.s - fine by me but there needs to be provisions to provide them for free, for the poor and this needs to be instituted well in advance of major elections. Here in PA they wanted to introduce a voter ID law less than 6 mos before the presidential election: sorry but you need to give people time to react and adjust.

- prisoners voting - not until their sentence is FULLY served, including parole/probation. Those convicted of crimes are essentially found guilty of violating the rights of someone else in society. I think it is JUST for their rights to be curtailed in proportion to the severity of their crime, including the right to have any influence on changing those laws. I know there are some unjust laws and mistakes made (i.e. David Milgaard etc) but those types of cases are the exception not the rule.

- the EPA - the Koch brothers ARE vehemently opposed to the EPA, and sorry but they are wrong in this. I saw it in the oil & gas industry in Alberta, and I see it in the fledgling industry in the NE US, industry is only capable of policing itself to a point (usually where regulation meets goals of shareholders). We need governmental watchdogs over industry, especially environmental issues, because they have a better perspective. Yes, they are somewhat susceptible to some of the scare propaganda in the media (look at the BS over fraccing wells; something that has gone on for damned near 100 years) but they are not subservient to the best interests of the company above all else.

- yes the Kochs are instrumental in funding the tea party, which is sadly ironic given the supposed goals stated by tea partiers but they have the right to do so under American law.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

In other words they want kids to be able to go to schools in their own neighborhoods and not force them to bus people back and forth across the city.

Forced Bussing destroyed Boston Public Schools. Wealthy White Liberals had the bright idea to bus poor white kids into poor black kids neighborhoods and then bus poor black kids into poor white neighborhoods and everything would be wonderful. It was a disaster. However they did not want to bus either poor class into the Wealthy Liberal White Suburbs. That way they could keep Muffy and Bradley safe and still call the poor white people racist.

In point of fact, it was the courts. But don't let that interfere with making up facts to suit your hatreds.

 

[EagleSmack]

In point of fact, it was the courts. But don't let that interfere with making up facts to suit your hatreds.

Yes it was the liberal judge Garrity from the lilly white community of Wellsley. However it had full support from the wealthy white liberals providing the poor were kept out of their communities. So don't let that interfere with your ignorance.

 

[DaSleeper]

Can I ask why?

If a central part of democracy is the evolution of law, how do those impacted directly by obsolete laws get fair representation in changing mediocre legislation?

Hope for the best?

What he said....

I think it is JUST for their rights to be curtailed in proportion to the severity of their crime, including the right to have any influence on changing those laws.[/B]
I know there are some unjust laws and mistakes made (i.e. David Milgaard etc) but those types of cases are the exception not the rule.

 

[Walter]

Koch Industries: Social Security Age Should Be Raised

We're raising the benefit age here in Canada and that's a good thing. Cobalt Kid has a bee in his bonnet; maybe George Soros told him to pick on the Koch bros.

 

[taxslave]

Can anyone explain how these two spending their own money to try to make the country as they would like is worse than the freeloaders from Occupy blocking roads and demanding that those that have share with those that are too lazy to get their own?

 

[EagleSmack]

Can anyone explain how these two spending their own money to try to make the country as they would like is worse than the freeloaders from Occupy blocking roads and demanding that those that have share with those that are too lazy to get their own?

Not logically or with any sense.

 

[Spade]

Dear EagleSmack,
Please post photo so we can determine if you are an ugly American.
As always,
Spade

 

[Mowich]

Can anyone explain how these two spending their own money to try to make the country as they would like is worse than the freeloaders from Occupy blocking roads and demanding that those that have share with those that are too lazy to get their own?

Boss Tweed would be sooooo proud of you.

 

[Goober]

Cobalt - A simple question
US population is approx 315 million
2 out of 315 million are ugly. Does that mean the rest are really good looking.

 

[Mowich]

Cobalt - A simple question
US population is approx 315 million
2 out of 315 million are ugly. Does that mean the rest are really good looking.

They are hardly the only two out there with deep pockets and will to change politics, Goob.

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[EagleSmack]

Became... or how we convinced America that the GOP is the party of the rich.

The Kennedy's, Gore's, Clinton's, Hollywood, Manhatten... hardly living hand to mouth.

 

[Mowich]

Became... or how we convinced America that the GOP is the party of the rich.

The Kennedy's, Gore's, Clinton's, Hollywood, Manhatten... hardly living hand to mouth.

Just to be clear, Eagle..............you are completely okay with the Koch brothers. No questions about their various political machinations what-so-ever?

 

[EagleSmack]

Just to be clear, Eagle..............you are completely okay with the Koch brothers. No questions about their various political machinations what-so-ever?

I don't even know them.

 

[Goober]

They are hardly the only two out there with deep pockets and will to change politics, Goob.

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They own both sides.