The Syria Thread: Everything you wanted to know or say about it

Merge the Syria Threads

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EagleSmack

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Re: "The U.S. Should Act"

Training ground for a strike on Iran? Give me a break. The US has been striking at countries since the late 80's and have really ramped up strikes since 2001.

This is going to be a punishment strike. It won't help or hurt either side. That is my guess.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

That's not what the Constitution states. An attack on a sovereign country IS an Act of War. It would be deemed so if an attack was inflicted on the U.S.

The Presidents in recent years have ignored Congress and the Constitution.. and Congress has been too gutless to demand its Constitutional privilege... while the Executive Branch has claimed for itself the full and exclusive right to wage war at its own discretion.. and only by its own counsel.

These semantic gymnastics, this sophistry, of the difference between a 'war' and 'military exercise' (or whatever) is just that.. it is hypocrisy.. based on LIES.

AND i expect the BLOWBACK.. the Law of Unintended Consequences to appear here.. in a situation of Global brinksmanship that cannot be localized.
Eagle's right, you're wrong.

That was easy.
 

BaalsTears

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Re: "The U.S. Should Act"

Articles like that make it sound like Americans have become so accustomed to moving unilaterally - ever since George W. chose to ignore the UN and attack Iraq - that they've forgotten the UN exists, but actually Washington is very away of the UN, because it's through the UN that Russia has been blocking any notion of UN action against the Assad regime.

In any case, unilateral, overt action against the Assads would be way too risky, because of how seriously Russia is invested in Syria and the Assad dynasty, so yeah, it would be insane.

The Assad dynasty has enjoyed cozy relations with Russia for four generations, and Syria is Russia's closest Mediteranian partner.

Under the Soviet system, Syria provided the USSR with its only Mediteranian naval base, at Tartus, and since the collapse of the Soviet system, Russia has been expanding and *upgrading* that base. Moscow sees the Tartus base in the same light as the so-called "eternal bases" that Cheny pushed for in Iraq.

Today's Russia is so intent on preserving its position in Syria that they forgave Syria $9.8 billion of its $13.4 Soviet-era debt. Russia has big Syrian investments through natural gas processor Stroitransgaz, drilling and pipeline manager Tatneft, steel pipe manufacturer TMK, gas producer ITERA, and national carrier Aeroflot.

It would be very, very hard to do an attack on Syria without hitting a Russian investment. How does Washington react when a foriegn power damages her overseas investments?

The only glimmer of hope is that Russian diplomats have started suggested that *maybe* it's time for a leadership-change in Syria... not so much an overthrow of the Assad dynasty, but a change to which branch of the Assad family is running things.

Therefore, about all you can do without stepping on the bear's paw is pretty-much what's already being done, which is keep up pressure on the Assadians through cold-war style sneaking of ordinance to the rebels.

What I would add to that would be diplomatic level encouragement and support of Russia *if* she will use her clout to influence a regime change in Syria.

So-what if Russia gets kudos for brokering a peaceful settlement in Syria? She's not abandoning Syria anyway, so might as well encourage and support her if she'll go ahead and be the ones to provide some dashas for deposed Assadian refugees.

Bill Clinton ignored the UN when he attacked Serbia.
 

Spade

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

Is there any nation on earth with which the USA has not been at war?
Has there been a year in American history during which America has not been at war?

Help me out...
Is napalm a chemical?
Is agent orange a chemical?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

Is there any nation on earth with which the USA has not been at war?
Has there been a year in American history during which America has not been at war?

Help me out...
Is napalm a chemical?
Is agent orange a chemical?
Not in the sense that is meant by "chemical weapon." The term means lethal anti-personnel chemicals.

Hell, water's a chemical if you wanna get fussy about it.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

Napalm is not a lethal anti-personnel weapon?
Sigh. No, it's an incendiary.

Listen, if you want to make a big deal about how these things are classified, you have fun with that. I'm not defending the system, I'm just explaining it.
 

Spade

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

 

Rosebud

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Re: "The U.S. Should Act"

Why should it act? Is there a new weapon the pentagon wants to test?

Watta crock. The western countries fall for another ploy of the US. The fact is the chemicals released had
a hundred times less effect than the drone colateral damages caused.

Besides, Syria has the right to have nuclear energy. The ones that are scared are the ones who played "kick sand in my my face when I was weak", such as Israel.

Cmon folks, can't you see the muscle flexing.

God help us if not all access to the US is plugged, and one day it won't be possible to block all cracks in this dam that is about to burst.

The only guy in the US who makes sense today is Carter
 

EagleSmack

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

Is there any nation on earth with which the USA has not been at war?
Has there been a year in American history during which America has not been at war?

Canada

Help me out...
Is napalm a chemical?
Is agent orange a chemical?

So isn't HE.

Napalm is not a lethal anti-personnel weapon?

BTW... phosphorus is not recognized as a chemical weapon either
 

Zipperfish

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Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’

That's not what the Constitution states. An attack on a sovereign country IS an Act of War. It would be deemed so if an attack was inflicted on the U.S.

The Presidents in recent years have ignored Congress and the Constitution.. and Congress has been too gutless to demand its Constitutional privilege... while the Executive Branch has claimed for itself the full and exclusive right to wage war at its own discretion.. and only by its own counsel.

These semantic gymnastics, this sophistry, of the difference between a 'war' and 'military exercise' (or whatever) is just that.. it is hypocrisy.. based on LIES.

AND i expect the BLOWBACK.. the Law of Unintended Consequences to appear here.. in a situation of Global brinksmanship that cannot be localized.

I think Dubya got congreesional authority to invade Iraq, didn't he? The Democrats were chomping at the bit almost as bad as the Republicans to run into Iraq. Like someone said earlier--it's not like any of them have kids in the army. Obama was one of teh few that opposed the invasion. The overwhelming majority were in favor--not that you can find many who will admit it now.