I beginning to think he spends too much time in a cave with his goat.;-)YES THEY BLOODY WELL DO! You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
I beginning to think he spends too much time in a cave with his goat.;-)YES THEY BLOODY WELL DO! You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
Downhome_
:-( you will keep to your ignorance : i.e -272 correct whatever you shout; that is because of your arrogance: your anti-God and anti-Quran attitude.
In fact you are more rancorous than AnnaG but she shouts more than you, and she reviles and transgresses; so I decided not to answer her anymore, whatever equations and she may write. :-(
Hmmmm -I think I may have annoyed E.I. He's not recited an aya today.The number makes no sense. anti-God? I think not - I just don't believe in your particularly narrow vision of 'God'.
Anti-Q'uran? Well as I don't believe in its bizarre interpretations of Christianity and Judaism, by your narrow standards I would guess that I am.
But at least I'm wading through the Q'ran to try and understand it - you've never picked up a Bible or a Torah or Talmud in your life.
I'm not arrogant - I just don't accept what you say just because you tell me it's the correct thing to think. God gave me a brain to think - I use it - something you seem to take issue with. as far as shouting? i don't shout, but ever word that comes out of MY mouth is my own - not the parrotings of another.
To bad you've decided not to reply to Anna any more. But then I suspect that it's more because she asks you to justify your statements and you can't - all you can do is copy and paste some aya.
All I know about the Quran, I learned from eanassir.
What I learned was that his god and his prophet were psychopaths and by association, believers, at least the fundamentalist believers, are psychopaths too.
I say this not because I revile god. I know the Creator is a loving and benevolent being. The god of the Jews, Christians and Muslims is not.
YES THEY BLOODY WELL DO! You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
Yes they do. This has been explained to you multiple times, and little tests described that you can do at home to prove a body orbiting another one and always keeping the same face turned toward it has to be rotating on its own axis with the same periodicity as its orbit. It's a common and well understood phenomenon, completely explicable with Newtonian gravitational theory, it even has a name: tidal locking. Apparently you're prepared to deny the evidence in order to sustain your conviction that the Quran and al-Hilly's foolish "scientific"extrapolations from it are correct. Not only do you refuse to understand, I think you're incapable of understanding, you'll just continue to make assertions that are provably false and continue to live as a scientific illiterate for as long as you consider the Quran to be an accurate source of empirical data.... Moon, Mercury and Venus do not spin around themselves,
The ways the gaseous heavens are mentioned in the Quran
First: In singular: the word سماء : "sky: or "heaven"
Yes they do. This has been explained to you multiple times, and little tests described that you can do at home to prove a body orbiting another one and always keeping the same face turned toward it has to be rotating on its own axis with the same periodicity as its orbit. It's a common and well understood phenomenon, completely explicable with Newtonian gravitational theory, it even has a name: tidal locking. Apparently you're prepared to deny the evidence in order to sustain your conviction that the Quran and al-Hilly's foolish "scientific"extrapolations from it are correct. Not only do you refuse to understand, I think you're incapable of understanding, you'll just continue to make assertions that are provably false and continue to live as a scientific illiterate for as long as you consider the Quran to be an accurate source of empirical data.
No, the process takes time. Read something other than the Quran and interpretations of it, like the material at that link I gave you. It's only Wikipedia, not the best quality reference material, but it's a start, and it's better than your reference material....was it locked to it from the start of its creation?
The same concerning Mercury and Venus: were they tidally-locked from the start?
I don't revile any gods. I just find them irrelevant and not very godlike.Downhome_
:-( you will keep to your ignorance : i.e -272 correct whatever you shout; that is because of your arrogance: your anti-God and anti-Quran attitude.
In fact you are more rancorous than AnnaG but she shouts more than you, and she reviles and transgresses; so I decided not to answer her anymore, whatever equations and she may write. :-(
You state nothing but opinion. And quite frequently these opinions conflict with the facts that science has uncovered. You can not prove anything of what you post. I really doubt if you know of what proof and facts consist.The Quran is full of arguments; I hope to translate all the interpretation of the Quran, by God's will.
I only discuss the agruments of the Quran.
The thing that let some people underestimate the Quran is because of many factors: one of such factors is their growing since childhood and their community inserted in their minds some notions about the Glorious Quran.
The other factor is the translations: defective and in very summerized and concize way, and according to the available interpretations that are defective originally in understanding the word of God: the Quran full of wisdom and knowledge.
E.g. I remind you yourself: you resorted to some rancorous web sites (full of lies compiled by some rancorous people who wrote a very large number of objections to the Quran) against the Quran;
Why was that: when you yourself claim not believing in religions generally? Then you produced such claims against the Quran without checking are they correct or not, and without asking and inquiring: this is an obvious bias in fact.
While the Moon, Venus and Mercury : they do not spin around themselves; they do not spin, people !! Your explanation is not rational and not correct, but only you are rigid in following some available wrong information.
The mistake of Astronomers about Moon
Mercury Has Stopped Its Axial Rotation
Venus Has Stopped Its Axial Rotation
Simply posting what is in the Quran does not make it true. Nor does your assertion of its correctness make it true. Nothing of which you post is verifiable. That fact makes what you post simply conjecture and most of it is erroneous conjecture. It's a shame that even this simple fact escapes your comprehension. How you ever became an MD is waaaaaay past my imagination skills.
Second: in plural : the wordسماوات i.e. "heavens".
a- When the word سماوات i.e. "heavens" is mentioned together with the Earth, but there will be some words intervening between them.
E.g. God –be exalted – said in the Quran 31: 10
خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا وَأَلْقَى فِي الْأَرْضِ رَوَاسِيَ أَن تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ...الخ
The explanation:
(He created the [gaseous] heavens without pillars you can see, and He cast on the earth firm [mountains], lest it sway irregularly with you …)
The “heavens”, here, means the gaseous layers, because many words intervene between the “heavens” and the “earth” viz. (without pillars you can see and He cast on).
b- When the “heavens” are mentioned after the “earth”, e.g. God -be exalted – said in the Quran 20: 4
تَنزِيلًا مِّمَّنْ خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ وَالسَّمَاوَاتِ الْعُلَى
The explanation:
(A revelation [of the Quran] from [God] Who created the earth and the high heavens.)
So, the “heavens”, here, means the gaseous layers because it is mentioned after the “earth”.
c- The “heavens” are mentioned alone without mentioning the “earth” with them.
E.g. God – be glorified – said in the Quran 67: 3-4:
الَّذِي خَلَقَ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ طِبَاقًا مَّا تَرَى فِي خَلْقِ الرَّحْمَنِ مِن تَفَاوُتٍ فَارْجِعِ الْبَصَرَ هَلْ تَرَى مِن فُطُورٍ .
ثُمَّ ارْجِعِ الْبَصَرَ كَرَّتَيْنِ يَنقَلِبْ إِلَيْكَ الْبَصَرُ خَاسِأً وَهُوَ حَسِيرٌ
The explanation:
( [God] Who has created seven stratified heavens ; you cannot see any non-observance in the creation of the Most Gracious!
Then [look at the sky and] turn your [eye-] sight again [to make sure]: Can you see any rifts [in the heavens]?
[No, of course!] Then turn your [eye-] sight twice [to the gaseous heavens!] –your [eye -] sight shall return to you disappointed even though it be open-eyed.)
Therefore, the “stratified heavens” (seven in number) means the gaseous layers.
No, the process takes time. Read something other than the Quran and interpretations of it, like the material at that link I gave you.
Too bad, it's all you're going to get from me on this. The information's all freely available, you can do your own research. It's been explained to you multiple times in considerable detail, you've been given links to explanations of it, yet you persist in a provably wrong belief about it, you're not even right about Venus and Mercury being fully tidally locked, they're not, and every time you add to it you make another error, like the moon being spherical because it was hot and spinning at first.This is not enough as an answer.
Too bad, it's all you're going to get from me on this. The information's all freely available, you can do your own research. It's been explained to you multiple times in considerable detail, you've been given links to explanations of it, yet you persist in a provably wrong belief about it, you're not even right about Venus and Mercury
you make another error, like the moon being spherical because it was hot and spinning at first.
You don't really deserve any further explanations of anything, you're impenetrably wrong-headed about this.
How do you know and insist on this?However... The moon isn't spherical because it was spinning or hot at the beginning,
all bodies larger than a certain size will be spherical because gravity overcomes the rigidity of the materials they're made from, it's the minimum energy state.
Smaller bodies like asteroids, and Mars' moons, are not spherical simply because they're not big enough.