The steps to belief (or disbelief)

Scott Free

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What you said can't be true because you argue against it.

Link?

I don't have to argue anything. I'm just pointing it out.

You didn't point anything out though except your own misconceptions of what I said.

You're absolutely right though, if I thought like you I would have been wrong. Luckily I don't think like you and therefore I didn't mean what you thought I meant.
 

Cannuck

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You've got over 3000 posts. I'm sure if I was so inclined I could give you a couple hundred.

You didn't point anything out though except your own misconceptions of what I said.

What misconception would that be? You made the statement "Someone who is shadow arguing isn't interested in the truth they only want to push an agenda or their belief."

Obviously eanassir isn't going to change his mind. To debate with him accomplishes nothing but pushes your own agendas and beliefs. eanassir is not going to change anybody's mind. He is just pushing agendas and beliefs. If you really believed what you posted, you wouldn't be bothering with him. You are acting just like him only, you are approaching the discussion from a different set of beliefs. That is why I made the initial comment.
 

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Oh yeah, and since I have to keep pointing out the bloody obvious to you Cannuck, this thread is just continuation of a much longer argument, one that you have come into late. Don't get me wrong, I welcome your contribution (if you can keep the spite in check), but making assumptions about positions is inadvisable. My position, the one you objected to, has been stated before by me. I stand by it.
 

Scott Free

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You've got over 3000 posts. I'm sure if I was so inclined I could give you a couple hundred.

Prove it or shut up.


What misconception would that be? You made the statement "Someone who is shadow arguing isn't interested in the truth they only want to push an agenda or their belief."

Obviously eanassir isn't going to change his mind. To debate with him accomplishes nothing but pushes your own agendas and beliefs. eanassir is not going to change anybody's mind. He is just pushing agendas and beliefs. If you really believed what you posted, you wouldn't be bothering with him. You are acting just like him only, you are approaching the discussion from a different set of beliefs. That is why I made the initial comment.

I know why you made the comment.

There are things going on here you don't understand and have missed.

You just saw an opportunity to make a jab at me and took it.

You should stop defending your childish caprices and join the conversation, or buzz off.
 

Cannuck

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My position, the one you objected to, has been stated before by me. I stand by it.

I haven't objected to it. I've simply said I don't believe it. I believe the whole is greater than it's parts. One statement does not negate every other thing said. In your own words, shadow arguing is where one of the participants cannot admit the possibility they might be wrong. The fact that you have now reduced yourself to calling me childish and telling me I should "buzz off" or that I "prove it or shut up, tells me that you may be getting a little defensive. You would do well to ask yourself why.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Hey guys, lighten up. You've forgotten the first rule of message boards: DNFTT. Eanassir has an obvious and arrogantly self-righteous religious agenda; Do Not Feed The Troll.
 

eanassir

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Hey guys, lighten up.


Hey Dex,

I have some way of treating hypertension of the guys here, without drugs, which proved practically successful.
  • As much as you can avoid medical drugs, it will be better;
  • but of course when the hypertension is high the antihypertensive drugs are essential according to the prescription of your doctor.
  • Relaxation and avoiding the nervousness is also essential.
  • Salt-free diet is very essential.
The simple way is to take much water.

Take half glass of water each time, but at frequent times;

>> If the hypertension is high, take half glass of water each 1/4 or 1/2 hour until you drink some 2 liters over 6 hours or more .

>> Then when the hypertension is reduced, you may lessen the water drinking; but keep up drinking water frequently (each hour for example, even in the cold weather)

The side effect will be frequent urination. And of course the salt is very useful to the body, but what to do.

The salt will increase the tone of the muscles in the blood vessels, and this will lead to increased hypertension.

Many of people keep up the salt-free diet, but they do not drink much water, specially in the cold countries and in winter time; while this will lead to the increased concentration of the salt in the body fluids which will lead to increased hypertension (in spite of that they keep up on salt-free diet.)

The idea of taking frequent small to moderate amount of water, better than taking large amount, but few times only; because the large amount will lead to rapid urination, with no time to drag the salt from the body tissues.

It is like getting rid of the salt from the salty agricultural land; we irrigate it frequently and wash the extra amount of water successively until the land gets rid of its salt.

There is salt deep in the tissues like this:
Inside the cells --> The interstitial fluids between the body cells --> The blood inside the blood vessels.

Most of the salt is deep in the interstitial fluids between the body cells.

Now when we drink the water, it is absorbed and goes to the blood inside the blood vessels --> it will dilute the salt in the blood vessel, and according to the permeability and the osmotic pressure, it will go the interstitial tissues, and salt will come from the interstitial compartment to the inside of the blood vessels, and the interstitial salt will be diluted by this way;

Then according to the osmotic pressure across the cell membrane, water will go inside the cell, and sodium will come out of the cell and go to the interstitial fluid; and by the frequent drinking of the water in this way the salt will be dragged from the cells and from the interstitial fluids between the cells and will be excreted in the urine.

By this simple way, we may get rid of some 20-30 mm Hg of the hypertension or more, and you will need less medical drugs with their harmful side-effects. :thumbup:

But if the hypertension is high, the drug will be essential according to the prescription of the doctor.
 

eanassir

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If you can't let your faith be challenged then you can't say you believe.

I am an unbeliever like you eanassir, we are the same, except I know I don't believe and you think you beleive. That is the only difference. What do you believe in? You can't say - you don't know, you just have empty words in an old book; your heart is empty, because if it were full you wouldn't be so afraid. You would be able to argue, but you cannot do this can you? You must rely on old words, and you must do that because you don't believe. You know as well as I do they are empty words - that is what you're really scared of eanassir. I know, I was there once too.


Hahahaha :lol:
There was a member here who laughed like this hahahaha :lol:

Yes, I am unbeliever in Satan and his ways, but I believe in God alone and His noble messenger Prophet Mohammed and His glorious book: the Quran.

You, too, are unbeliever, but in God your Creator, and in your inevitable destination: the afterlife where you will live as an ethereal soul – although you now deny it, but your conscience knows it very well.

Are you trying to cheat me and others by such false words as I am scared of the truth; haven't you read the words of Imam Ali – peace be on him – "I never doubted the truth once I recognized it"?

God is better than all others, and He said in the Quran 49: 15
إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَرْتَابُوا وَجَاهَدُوا بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الصَّادِقُونَ
The explanation:
(The [true] believers are only those who have believed in God and His messenger,

and have never since doubted [following their belief],

and [then] have striven with their wealth and their persons for the cause of God;

such are the truthful [and sincere believers.] )



eanassir
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Scott Free

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I haven't objected to it. I've simply said I don't believe it. I believe the whole is greater than it's parts. One statement does not negate every other thing said. In your own words, shadow arguing is where one of the participants cannot admit the possibility they might be wrong. The fact that you have now reduced yourself to calling me childish and telling me I should "buzz off" or that I "prove it or shut up, tells me that you may be getting a little defensive. You would do well to ask yourself why.

I'm not getting defencive I'm getting tired of your prattle. I simply mean say something meaningful with something to back it up or stop bothering me. Your opinion of me and whether you believe what I say or not is of no consequence unless you can demonstrate it.
 

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Hahahaha :lol:
There was a member here who laughed like this hahahaha :lol:

Yes, I am unbeliever in Satan and his ways, but I believe in God alone and His noble messenger Prophet Mohammed and His glorious book: the Quran.

You, too, are unbeliever, but in God your Creator, and in your inevitable destination: the afterlife where you will live as an ethereal soul – although you now deny it, but your conscience knows it very well.

Are you trying to cheat me and others by such false words as I am scared of the truth; haven't you read the words of Imam Ali – peace be on him – "I never doubted the truth once I recognized it"?

God is better than all others, and He said in the Quran 49: 15
إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَرْتَابُوا وَجَاهَدُوا بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الصَّادِقُونَ
The explanation:
(The [true] believers are only those who have believed in God and His messenger,

and have never since doubted [following their belief],

and [then] have striven with their wealth and their persons for the cause of God;

such are the truthful [and sincere believers.] )



eanassir
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Dexter is right: you are a troll.

I'll not bother with you anymore.
 

eanassir

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Dexter is right: you are a troll.

I'll not bother with you anymore.


Dexter does not seek after the truth; his purpose is to obscure the truth and impede my words.

As in the aya 41: 26

وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَا تَسْمَعُوا لِهَذَا الْقُرْآنِ وَالْغَوْا فِيهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَغْلِبُونَ

The explanation:
(The disbelievers say: do not listen to this Quran …etc.)

[I have not the explanation of this aya now.]

While concerning you; the description of the disbeliever Waleed is applicable to you – see this in our reply no. #2 on page 1 of this thread.

Moreover, this aya 2: 9-10 may also be applied to you :

يُخَادِعُونَ اللّهَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَمَا يَخْدَعُونَ إِلاَّ أَنفُسَهُم وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ . فِي قُلُوبِهِم مَّرَضٌ فَزَادَهُمُ اللّهُ مَرَضاً وَلَهُم عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْذِبُونَ

The explanation:
(They think to deceive God and those who believe, and they deceive none save themselves; but they perceive not.

There is a disease [of hypocrisy] in their hearts, and God has increased their disease, and they will have a painful doom because they lie.)

enemy of God, bother yourself or don't bother, I am not concerned.
 
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Dexter does not seek after the truth; his purpose is to obscure the truth and impede my words.

As in the aya 41: 26

وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَا تَسْمَعُوا لِهَذَا الْقُرْآنِ وَالْغَوْا فِيهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَغْلِبُونَ

The explanation:
(The disbelievers say: do not listen to this Quran …etc.)

[I have not the explanation of this aya now.]

While concerning you; the description of the disbeliever Waleed is applicable to you – see this in our reply no. #2 on page 1 of this thread.

Moreover, this aya 2: 9-10 may also be applied to you :

يُخَادِعُونَ اللّهَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَمَا يَخْدَعُونَ إِلاَّ أَنفُسَهُم وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ . فِي قُلُوبِهِم مَّرَضٌ فَزَادَهُمُ اللّهُ مَرَضاً وَلَهُم عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْذِبُونَ

The explanation:
(They think to deceive God and those who believe, and they deceive none save themselves; but they perceive not.

There is a disease [of hypocrisy] in their hearts, and God has increased their disease, and they will have a painful doom because they lie.)

enemy of God, bother yourself or don't bother, I am not concerned.

How are you EA? I see you're having your way with the unbelievers again. You mentioned the demon known as Dexter, shivers went up my spine and a deathly cold blast of arctic ice crystals went up my kilt. God will save me at the last second and kill me sweetly because he knows I'm nice and don't lie too much.:smile:
 

Cannuck

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Your opinion of me and whether you believe what I say or not is of no consequence unless you can demonstrate it.

It may be of no consequence to you but of course, you don't speak for everybody. Besides, why would expressing my opinion bother you? You expressing your opinion would never "bother" me...nor does eanassir expressing his.
 

eanassir

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How are you EA? I see you're having your way with the unbelievers again. You mentioned the demon known as Dexter, shivers went up my spine and a deathly cold blast of arctic ice crystals went up my kilt. God will save me at the last second and kill me sweetly because he knows I'm nice and don't lie too much.:smile:


Hi DB :smile:
What shall I do to some guys here!
At least Dexter is a science man; but to some others here, the best reply for them is the avatar which Cannuck has displayed.