The steps to belief (or disbelief)

Dexter Sinister

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You mentioned the demon known as Dexter, shivers went up my spine and a deathly cold blast of arctic ice crystals went up my kilt.
Flatterer. Just wait, nobody's seen even 1% of what I can do... Ice crystals are child's play, I can do 2-meter long spears of fire and ice up your...uh, kilt...without even breathing hard. :smile:
 

Scott Free

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It may be of no consequence to you but of course, you don't speak for everybody. Besides, why would expressing my opinion bother you? You expressing your opinion would never "bother" me...nor does eanassir expressing his.

That's funny.

I don't recall saying it did bother me.
 

Cannuck

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"I don't recall saying it did bother me. "

I'm not getting defencive I'm getting tired of your prattle. I simply mean say something meaningful with something to back it up or stop bothering me. Your opinion of me and whether you believe what I say or not is of no consequence unless you can demonstrate it.

It would appear your memory is not all that good.
 

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"I don't recall saying it did bother me. "



It would appear your memory is not all that good.

I'm tired of you following me around; I did say that, but your mindless drivel doesn't bother me nor you assessments of me. Perhaps you and Karie should form a SF haters club so you can lick your wounds together?
 

karrie

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I'm tired of you following me around; I did say that, but your mindless drivel doesn't bother me nor you assessments of me. Perhaps you and Karie should form a SF haters club so you can lick your wounds together?

? seriously? You're still hung up on me?
 

karrie

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lol, a stalker is a hard thing to forget ;-)

Scott, when you go stand in the same room where someone else is always found standing, calling them a stalker is a bit odd. I've never gone looking for you... you're always here, right where I am. I have no problem with you, other than one spat of butting heads. If it meant that much to you, I'd have paid closer attention. I hadn't realized I was supposed to be holding it as some grand grudge. lol.
 

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I'm tired of you following me around;

Following you around??

Wow! Aren't you the grandiose, hoity-toity, pretentious, puffed-up, arrogant piece of work. If self important people like yourself feel that you are being followed, maybe you should leave the room.
 

eanassir

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How Abraham found his Lord

Prophet Abrham was young, and he started to contemplate and think about his people's acts of worshipping the idols and the planets.

  • "His people were of the shia'a of Noah and his sons, as was Abraham one of the shia'a [i.e. those devoted to] Noah and his sons. Abraham was in misguidance and obvious error at the start like his people."
This is in the Quran 37: 83-84

وَإِنَّ مِن شِيعَتِهِ لَإِبْرَاهِيمَ . إِذْ جَاء رَبَّهُ بِقَلْبٍ سَلِيمٍ
The explanation:
(Then, afterwards, We drowned the rest [of Noah's people who did not embark with him on the ship.]

And of his party [lit. "his shia'a"] was Abraham. [i.e. Abraham was of the "shia'a of Noah"]

Who came to his Lord with an intact heart.)

  • "Prophet Mohammed too was (like his people) one of the shia'a of Ismael and his sons :) devoted to Ismael and his sons); then God guided him to be devoted to God alone."
    – from the book: (Rise of the Dawn) by Mohammed Hassan.​

Mohammed at the start was in error and misguidance, then God guided him to be a devoted monotheist.

As in the Quran 93: 6-8
أَلَمْ يَجِدْكَ يَتِيمًا فَآوَى . وَوَجَدَكَ ضَالًّا فَهَدَى . وَوَجَدَكَ عَائِلًا فَأَغْنَى
The explanation:
(Did He [your Lord] not find you an orphan, and give you shelter [to your grandfather then to your uncle]?

Did He not find you erring [from the religion], and guide you [by inspiration and revelation]?

Did He not find you destitute with a family, and enrich you [by trading and by the wealth of your wife Khadieja]?)

  • Christians also are the shia'a of Jesus and his family :) devoted to Jesus, rather than to God alone).
  • Children of Israel were the shia'a of Moses :) before his coming; when he came he brought them to be devoted to God alone.)
Prophet Abraham started to think, and God guided him by the inspiration.


This is in the Quran 6: 75
وَكَذَلِكَ نُرِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ مَلَكُوتَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَلِيَكُونَ مِنَ الْمُوقِنِينَ ...الخ
The explanation:

(Thus did We show to Abraham [Our vast] kingdom of the heavens and the earth; so that he might be of those having sure belief.

And when the night outspread over him, he saw a planet [: Venus]; he said: "This is my Lord." But when it set, he said: "I love not the setters." [His people worshipped Venus. He said: the God must not set down and disappear.]

When he saw the moon rising, he said: "This is my Lord." But when it set, he said: "If my Lord does not guide me, I shall surely be of the people gone astray."

When he saw the sun rising [from the east], he said: "This is my Lord; this is greater [than the moon and the planets.]" But when it set, he said: "O my people, surely I am quit of [all the idols] that you associate [with God.]"

"I have turned my face to Him, Who split the heavens and the earth; I am being a Hanief [: a monotheist], and not of those that associate [partners with God.]")


 
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I have understood what you mean; you may have a little bit of truth here.
But if you have some patience I shall explain to you some points:

First: Concerning you:

You ran away, leaving the field for such gangs and criminals and other stupidly trapped guys. When such gangs are in fact trained and paid by the intelligences belonging to the Zionists and the Imperialists, or at least they ignited the situation.

You adopted the way of the West and the Western programs, and has melted and absorbed by the atheistic philosophies, leaving the Quran which is the soul of the Arab and the Muslim nation.

Moreover, you started to attack the religion of the Islam and the noble Prophet Mohammed and the Glorious Quran, in a way that even the Westerners have not done.

Second: Concerning Me:

I don't quit myself of any defect; but I do what I can, by the word only. This is what I can do. To defend the Quran the authentic word of God.

As God – be glorified – said in the Quran 12: 108

قُلْ هَذِهِ سَبِيلِي أَدْعُو إِلَى اللّهِ عَلَى بَصِيرَةٍ أَنَاْ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِي وَسُبْحَانَ اللّهِ وَمَا أَنَاْ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ

The explanation:
(Say [Mohammed, to the idolaters and associaters]:

"This is my way [and program]:

I call [people] to God [alone without associate, and to abandon the idols]

with sure knowledge [derived from a continuous revelation and inspiration from God],

I and whoever follows me [: All of us do like that; we don't pay attention to your shouting and wrangling, whether you agree or refuse]

Glory be to God! [How do you worship the idols and associate them with God Almighty]

And I am not [one] of the associaters.")

When the disbelievers and the associaters and the atheists came and occupied some of the Islamic countries; I decided to do what I can: to preach the Quran to non-Muslim people.

So if they convert, they will be like us and will be our brothers; but if they denied then God will punish them, because they have known the true fact about the Quran, and then no apology of them that they did not know the Quran; then the evidence will be established against them.

It is God Himself Who gave them hand over the Muslims, because Muslims have associated their imams and sheikhs with God by means of their enthusiasm, and because Muslims have neglected the Quran: the word of God, and most of them are ignorant about the principles of the Quran teachings.

On the other hand, I here advise people to abandon the enthusiasm about the imams and sheikhs; that they may abandon their association with God, and if they do so: (the thing that I have not yet seen any sign to it): if they abandon their association and enthusiasm and hold fast with the Quran, and leave their non-Quranic traditions, then God will give them power and victory.

All other ideologies and atheistic philosophies are invalid, useless and destructive.

This is what I can do; and the success is only granted by God alone.
God – be glorified – said in the Quran 11: 88


إِنْ أُرِيدُ إِلاَّ الإِصْلاَحَ مَا اسْتَطَعْتُ وَمَا تَوْفِيقِي إِلاَّ بِاللّهِ عَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلْتُ وَإِلَيْهِ أُنِيبُ

The explanation:
([Shuaib said] … "I purpose only to reform [you] as much as I can.
But my success is only due to God in Whom I put my trust and to Whom I do refer.")


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L Gilbert

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Flatterer. Just wait, nobody's seen even 1% of what I can do... Ice crystals are child's play, I can do 2-meter long spears of fire and ice up your...uh, kilt...without even breathing hard. :smile:
Aaaaahhh, the magic of mixing Bic and bugspray. I have seen this miracle first hand. It is wondrous. I have even mixed a clear liquid with another clear liquid to get a third liquid that was purple. I know a little magic myself. :D
 

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Following you around??

Wow! Aren't you the grandiose, hoity-toity, pretentious, puffed-up, arrogant piece of work. If self important people like yourself feel that you are being followed, maybe you should leave the room.
:?: Hoity-toity? I'll have to look that one up.

Anyway, that string of adjectives can also apply to the religious fanatics like eannasir. They are right and everyone else is wrong, even after being provided with facts. lmao
 
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Anyway, the steps involved in belief or disbelief:

Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results
If you can't make burning bushes talk in repeatable experiments, you can be pretty much assured that your hypothesis is whacky. No point in believing that they can talk then, is there?
 

eanassir

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Anyway, the steps involved in belief or disbelief:

Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results
If you can't make burning bushes talk in repeatable experiments, you can be pretty much assured that your hypothesis is whacky. No point in believing that they can talk then, is there?

The scope of the mind is wider than the laboratory experiments.
Moreover, the bush did not talk; this is another mistake in the Torah of Ezra; the bush is the hiding place of the swines and pigs.
God - be glorified - spoke to Moses with an audible voice that only Moses heard it; God spoke through the olive tree that was on the Mount Horeb, when He was not in the tree, but He was over His throne and He sent the voice across the ether waves, so that Moses heard it from that olive tree.