The next american president

darkbeaver

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DB, if the Dalai Lama was elected US president, with a re-incarnated Martin Luther King as VP, you'd be off on exactly the same rant......

It does get a little tiresome.

Although I agree Obama is riding a wave of personality...........with very little substance.
I do think he could become a great American reformer in domestic policy......something the USA needs.

McCain is ALL substance........he is the man.

That's a correct observation Colpy. I know you're perplexed about how I could possibly consistantly condemn any choice the Americans could make. Here's the reason. It's because the political system molds the candidate, the candidate does not in any but a purely cosmetic way mold the system. It's only tiresome to those who will not suspend personal bias and objectively examine the political environment in the United States. Obama can do absolutely nothing that the wealthy do not instruct or permit him to do. You're problem is that you think the people rule in America, this is simply incorrect thinking, money rules and nothing else. The reality is that Americans are in for a particularly horrible recession which will become a depression as we enter a period of global economic flux fueled by the last American war. Nothing can change that, the manufacturing capacity of the US is approximately 87% earmarked for the Department of Defense, that means it's an economy build on war and consumption, it has no basis to construct a peace based economy and soon it will loose dollar hegemony. At that point which cannot be far off I would say that we will see war of a large scale on this continent.
The only domestic reform Americans will get is a painful transition to the fascist police state which is in motion now and inevitable.
 

Walter

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Start the scrutiny

By MICHAEL COREN

I am not an American and cannot vote in any U.S. election. If I could, however, I would vote for virtually anyone other than Barack Obama. Not because of his colour. Condoleezza Rice, for example, would make an outstanding president of the United States. No, it is because Obama is affiliated with racists and bigots.
Almost 20 years ago he became a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. There he gave his support to a program the church calls a Black Value System, which has nothing to do with Christianity, but encourages the separation of the races.
At its best the philosophy encourages the empowerment of black America. At its worst it blames white people for every problem in the black community and tells adherents that they must not be "captive" to white society.
Most worrying is the preacher at the church, Jeremiah Wright, who is not only Obama's "spiritual guide," but also baptized his daughters and advises him as he attempts to become the most powerful politician in the world.
Speaking of Africa, Wright has said that he and his followers, "remain true to our native land, the mother continent" and Obama's church has given militant racist and anti-Semitic rabble-rouser Louis Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award.
More than this, Wright actually went to Libya with Farrakhan for a personal audience with controversial Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi, who has been linked by some to international terrorism against civilian targets.
Obama frequently praises Wright and Wright frequently praises Farrakhan, who has said that, "Hitler was a very great man," whites are "blue-eyed devils" and "these false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It's the wicked Jews, the false Jews, that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality."
He has referred to Asians as "bloodsuckers" and made the most vitriolic comments about gay men and women.
So Obama's church is hardly the stuff of mainstream Christianity. Obama himself was raised by two Muslim fathers and attended an Islamic school in Indonesia. His Kenyan brother, Abongo Roy Obama, is still a Muslim and has stated that black people must free themselves from, "the poisoning influences of European culture."
Barack Obama may despise his brother's opinions, but he has never said so. He may disappprove of preacher Wright's extreme afrocentrism and close association with a racist madman, but if he does he says precious little about it and continues to praise Wright and to laud the man's influence whenever he can.
Yet he receives little criticism about all this. Can we imagine Hilary Clinton, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney or any other candidate being let off so lightly?
What appears to make the horribly inexperienced and lightweight Obama so immune to criticism is, paradoxically, his colour.
As a black man he escapes the criticism so routinely thrown at his white rivals, which is racism.
All people should be treated equally, irrespective of colour, class and creed. For Obama to be apparently allowed such indulgences and so many worrying and worryingly close connections is patronizing and unhelpful.
Perhaps we can only hope that Oprah Winfrey holds a rally or broadcasts a week of shows holding her new friend up to scrutiny and telling him off for being so close to so many nasty racists.
Otherwise we might think that there was a double standard out there.
Surely not!
 

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Michael Coren --- laughed at homosexuals killed during the Holocaust, demands nuclear bombing of Iran, and ''Michael Coren wrote about the assassination of JFK, saying that he was "executed by the wise Lee Harvey Oswald, and the egregious Bobby was shot by a Palestinian terrorist. Good always triumphs in the end, and we should all be instructed by the Kennedy morality tale."


Yeah, lots of credibility there. No wonder Walter loves his crazed ideas so much.
 

Colpy

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Michael Coren --- laughed at homosexuals killed during the Holocaust, demands nuclear bombing of Iran, and ''Michael Coren wrote about the assassination of JFK, saying that he was "executed by the wise Lee Harvey Oswald, and the egregious Bobby was shot by a Palestinian terrorist. Good always triumphs in the end, and we should all be instructed by the Kennedy morality tale."


Yeah, lots of credibility there. No wonder Walter loves his crazed ideas so much.

Yeah, he does. Read him here http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Coren_Michael/2006/09/02/1795183.html
on Iran.

and here http://www.cwfa.org/printerfriendly.asp?id=4322&department=cfi&categoryid=cfreport on homosexuality and the Holocaust......
 

talloola

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Start the scrutiny

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Otherwise we might think that there was a double standard out there.
Surely not!

Barack Obama, in my opinion is a genuine american, and he cannot change or control his
childhood, or what church he was put into as a child, but he is 46 years old now, has
graduated from Harvard Law School, and has done many good things in Illinois, BUT
whatever he has in his childhood, you bet the republicans will find out and then triple
it, and add lots of b.s., and they will throw it at him as though it is the present.
I'm sure he and his campaign people are thoroughly aware of what's to come, and have
plans to look after themselves. He also cannot control who his relatives are in other
parts of the world, that's just the way it is.
And, if he begins to pull away from Clinton, I'll bet they begin to play dirty politics
and leak whatever they think they can to 'hurt' him, whether there is any truth to it
or not.
I would never judge anyone because of the church they attend, or the behavior of
others, as in my opinion, religion is very corrupt in many ways, and many churches
behave in strange ways, others do not.

The word muslim will be tossed around by his 'opposition' as soon as they feel he is
threatening there 'victory', mark my word, as that word will stick in the memory of
many, 'scare tactics', but no one will care, winning at any cost will be the flavour of
the day eventually, by clinton and/or McCain.

Ain't politics interesting.

p.s. The above article could just be the 'scare tactics' i'm talking about.
 

EagleSmack

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Quoteing Oblama "-----"It's time to write a new chapter in American history."

He's got plagarizeing writers, dosn't matter though, most Americans accept this tripe as policy. I'v heard the same line by hundreds of public and private figures, it's spin and old stale spin at that. What are the policys of Oblama? That new chapter is going to be economic misery and military humiliation and hate.

Of course he said that. They all use the same catch phrases...

"Real change"
"A candidate who cares"
"A candidate who knows what is best for America."
"Education will be high on my list of priorities."

Dems, Repubs...same old lines every election year at every level of government.
 

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The sad truth is that John McCain enjoyed being tortured and the only way the Cong could shut him up was to withhold the pleasure:smile: Really, he would be a worse president than George Bush! Just what the USA needs now,a senile old man as leader;-)
 

MikeyDB

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One has to have nearly unlimited patience with our American neighbors when it comes to their facility at recognizing and acknowledging their difficulties. It hasn't mattered to the American people that Rumsfeld lied, that Powel lied that Pearle lied that the cadre of Zionists who supported pushing the American administration into war against Moslems on behalf of Israel have disappeared from the TV lens. Americans don't care! It takes a mortgage collapse and people losing homes, poison goods on store shelves and ten dollar a gallon gasoline to get the average American's attention. Then even if you can get their attention, they're happy to sit in denial for decades and point fingers at everyone else before they'd even be available to examining their complicity in shaping the world that hates them!
 

darkbeaver

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Mickey! A porch light gets the attention of a moth and it gleefully circles till it burns getting the attention of Americans is like that, once you've got it, what do you have, nothing usefull, the blank stares of the Wal-Mart Zombie transfixed by the blinking glitter and the industrial smells promising succulent cheeseburgers and fries, they're beyond salvation or use. Forget them.
 

MikeyDB

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I think you're right, but it's a damn shame. A nation looted by "business". A nation that raises their "In god we Trust" to mark their currency.... Their "god" is money.
 

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Man, that hurts my feelings.

I'm a moth ?
I'm a Walmart Zombie ?

I don't care that Rumsfeld lied ?

Only poison on a supermarket shelf, or not being able to pay my mortgage, or a porch light grabs my attention, or $10 a gallon of gas makes me wake up ?

What kind of person am I ?

I'm going outside to eat worms.

Juicy ones, fat ones. Long ones. Skinny ones.
I'll eat their skin and spit out their insides. I'll scrape them up and chew those innards.
 

lone wolf

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Wouldn't it just have been simpler to clasp your hands firmly over your ears and loudly sing LA LA LA LA LA? Beware the light at the end of the tunnel. It may well be a train....

Woof!
 

EagleSmack

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The sad truth is that John McCain enjoyed being tortured and the only way the Cong could shut him up was to withhold the pleasure:smile: Really, he would be a worse president than George Bush! Just what the USA needs now,a senile old man as leader;-)

Naahhh...he won't be as bad as Bush. He stands pretty much in the center on most issues, left and right on others. It is going to be an interesting race and that is for sure.

If he beats Obama the election will be called "fixed" or "stolen" IMO. That has been the Democratic MO since Reagan. When they win everything is on the level, when they lose they cry foul. I am not so sure if he will beat Obama.

If Obama wins I get to blindly blame everything on him though. ;-)
 

Kreskin

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Man, that hurts my feelings.

I'm a moth ?
I'm a Walmart Zombie ?

I don't care that Rumsfeld lied ?

Only poison on a supermarket shelf, or not being able to pay my mortgage, or a porch light grabs my attention, or $10 a gallon of gas makes me wake up ?

What kind of person am I ?

I'm going outside to eat worms.

Juicy ones, fat ones. Long ones. Skinny ones.
I'll eat their skin and spit out their insides. I'll scrape them up and chew those innards.
I WAS enjoying my sandwich.
 

MikeyDB

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Jim ..:)

I hadn't heard that children's lament for many many years!

"Nobody loves me everybody hates me, going to the garden to eat worms...etc.

I doubt that anyone here at CC really hates an American or America for that matter...

What's incorrigible is the perception that everything "American" is proper just and irrefutably sound reflecting morally correct judgment and soundness of philosophy absent of malicious intent.... when history can easily afford the inquisitor a profoundly different view. As I've stated before Jim I'm impressed by your facility to acknowledge that your government and your governing officers have lied to you and you are open to the notion that not everything is necessarily "perfect" in America..:)

You've managed to slip that general characterization of "American Arrogance" that permeates the 'contributions' that some other members of your nation make to this site.

I'm absolutely critical of the shenanigans of our politicians and our police forces and our nearly silent acquiescence to the horsepucky that passes for Canadian government et. al, but I've yet to see or hear many Americans (at least contributors to this board..other than yourself) offer even the slightest acknowledgement of disappointment and well-founded criticism of the American "system".

Unfortunately it's the perception of most Canadians that this is the "norm" from Americans of all stripe...

Glad yer here Jim!

Your participation demonstrates that one can remain a patriot and a proud American without accepting the blinders and rose-colored glasses that far too many Americans believe is their "duty".
 

Walter

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Obama Ads on the Future: One | Two
 

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Obama sells same old stuff

Terence Corcoran, National Post Published: Saturday, February 16, 2008
Somewhere and sometime between now and the Democratic convention, populist glamour boy Barack Obama's charisma can be expected to run out of candlepower. Not totally, of course. He'll always be able to raise a crowd to its feet and bedazzle some people -- like the sensible-looking thirtysomething woman interviewed last Tuesday by the CBC at a Washington pub after Mr. Obama swept the Potomac states. Suspending rational judgment, she said: "Are you kidding me? I'd walk over hot coals to vote for this man. I mean, oh, he's just ... he's a man that can change not our country, but the world."
Maybe she would walk on coals for Mr. Obama, but she should know that it's gonna hurt. Whatever the undeniably mesmerizing, ga-ga-inducing qualities of Mr. Obama's speechifying technique, at some point these skills are going to wear thin as people begin to spend a little time thinking about what he's saying. Although thinking apparently isn't something that's necessarily top of the Obama agenda. Michelle Obama reportedly advised her husband to suspend cerebral activity during political debates. "Feel--don't think," she said.
That advice is strangely similar to the advice Chris Rock received in Head of State, a very bad comedy about a black guy -- played by Mr. Rock -- who runs for president of the United States. Just before delivering a pre-set text from a Teleprompter, Mr. Rock is taken aside by his semi-violent and near-pathological brother and told to ignore the set speech and speak what he really feels -- from the heart. Which Mr. Rock promptly does, and instantly turns himself into a wildly popular man of the people with a speech that includes such Obamaish lines as: "You know what you need. Better schools, better jobs, less crime. How many of you, right now, work two jobs just to have enough money to be broke?"
An Obama speech is the work of much better screenwriters, even though at last count Mr. Rock's effort had grossed $38-million. Mr. Obama is expected to raise that much this month alone. How long can this go on? Recent polls suggest Hillary Clinton is well ahead of Mr. Obama in Ohio and Pennsylvania, although Texas is close. Is Ms. Clinton about to turn the corner against Obama?
If primary voters actually spent time with Mr. Obama's speeches and ideas rather than react to his oratorical skills
and rhetorical devices, some might begin to wonder what all the fuss is about. Mr. Obama can deliver rhythmic cadences and rolling repetitive references to "change" and "dreams" and "hope." As he said: "No dream is beyond beyond our grasp if we reach for it, and fight for it, and work for it."
When it comes down to content, however, an Obama speech is not about change at all. It's about more of the same, more of the same old anti-corporate demagoguery, more of the same old attacks on CEO bonuses, Exxon, gouging businesses. There are ritual panderings to big labour and populist notions of free trade and NAFTA and China -- as he did in a speech on Tuesday night to an arena crowd in Madison, Wisc. (See right).
On NAFTA and trade, under which businesses "ship jobs overseas and force parents to compete with their teenagers to work for minimum wage at Wal-Mart," Mr. Obama is playing on the same old populist mythologies that have driven political debate in America for more than a century -- the little people versus the wealthy, the lobbyists, the powerful, profits, special interests, the privileged.
How many proud Wal-Mart workers would find that demeaning reference offensive? Mr. Obama plays off such corporate images. After mentioning Exxon's record profits and high gasoline prices, he later introduces the teacher who works at the night shift at Dunkin Donuts. Will hard-working two-job-holding Americans really take kindly to a politician who tells them their effort is an unnecessary and even futile one that can only be fixed by going after excessive CEO bonus payouts?
When it comes to policy and prescriptions, the grand calls for change and hope soon spiral down to endless lists of tired and familiar programs and payments and promises. In another speech on Wednesday at a General Motors plant in Janesville, Wisc., Mr. Obama ran through thousands of words proposing enough initiatives to keep the same old Dem.-Rep. congressional crown busy for half a decade of the same old political games he says he wants to get rid of -- from universal health care to minimum wage increases to doubling the number of low-income people receiving an earned income tax credit, worth $1,000 a year.
What Barack Obama offers is more, much more, of the same old politics jazzed up by a dazzling salesman with a great big smile. For how long will Americans buy it?
 

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Clinton is unelectable and I'm glad to see her nomination campaign flagging. Obama will likely win in Texas and Ohio and Clinton is probably toast. The longer the campaign goes on, the stronger Obama will be. Against Obama in a presidential election, McCain doesn't stand a chance.
 

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What I senase in the Clinton operation is a fianl awakening to the fact that they aren't as popular as they once thought they were. It is time to cut them off the public funds feeding trough too. They already collectively make $6 mil. a year in public funds not to mention the graft monies the New York Senator makes for favors. We need new blood in there. Not the same old Howdy Doody show. Bill looking to the outsdide for female favors tells me a whole bunch too.
 

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MikeyDB, thanks very much for the compliments. Especially after a meal of worms, I felt a lot better.

This part of Walter's posting on an article about Obama analyzes content over speechifying:

When it comes down to content, however, an Obama speech is not about change at all. It's about more of the same, more of the same old anti-corporate demagoguery, more of the same old attacks on CEO bonuses, Exxon, gouging businesses.

Respuesta:

On the flip side, maybe we could challenge the culture of these fat bonuses.
Aren't we often intrigued and amazed when an owner in an act of great sacrifice cares to help his workers, share his largesse making them all millionaires ?? I vaguely recall some story in Massachussetts where some owner did so well, he decided to share that reward.

The act of sharing is so unique that we've become jaundiced to the idea of wishing more of it. I want our culture to honor such actions, perhaps encouraging more such acts.

Yes government should not force that sharing, but the culture should honor the act so highly it might motivate more to follow such acts of sharing.

Remember that movie, Pay It Forward ? Or some commercials showing how a person witnesses an act of kindness, and they then do an act of kindness for someone else in the spirit of Pay It Forward.

I'm tired of the Left hatefully pushing class warfare, and the Right reacting negatively
sniffing at the stupidity of the Left's understanding of economics.

Both are highly negative responses.

Neither side elevates the human condition, does it ?



On NAFTA and trade, under which businesses "ship jobs overseas and force parents to compete with their teenagers to work for minimum wage at Wal-Mart," Mr. Obama is playing on the same old populist mythologies that have driven political debate in America for more than a century -- the little people versus the wealthy, the lobbyists, the powerful, profits, special interests, the privileged.
How many proud Wal-Mart workers would find that demeaning reference offensive? Mr. Obama plays off such corporate images. After mentioning Exxon's record profits and high gasoline prices, he later introduces the teacher who works at the night shift at Dunkin Donuts. Will hard-working two-job-holding Americans really take kindly to a politician who tells them their effort is an unnecessary and even futile one that can only be fixed by going after excessive CEO bonus payouts?
When it comes to policy and prescriptions, the grand calls for change and hope soon spiral down to endless lists of tired and familiar programs and payments and promises. In another speech on Wednesday at a General Motors plant in Janesville, Wisc., Mr. Obama ran through thousands of words proposing enough initiatives to keep the same old Dem.-Rep. congressional crown busy for half a decade of the same old political games he says he wants to get rid of -- from universal health care to minimum wage increases to doubling the number of low-income people receiving an earned income tax credit, worth $1,000 a year.

Respuesta:

So what ?

You think the Right's long touting of how great the economy was before the unregulated sub-prime disasters hit is any more REALISTIC ??? Obama, in the sense above, happens to more realisticly describe our world.

And as far as doubling the people who get a $1,000 income tax credit --- that's hardly a blip in a trillions dollar economy whose war budget is just a mere 1 percent of GNP.
With all the money we spend in governemt programs despite it's small slice of the pie could return at least a $1000 to every American. Why not ?

Lower the taxes might be better, but that's a whole other issue, on how and what the tax structure should be and what kind of tax it should be.



Entitlements (social security, medicare, welfare, food stamps) and other transfers of wealth take roughly 47 percent, and the Military takes roughly the other half.

We argue over so miniscule a portion of the pie. Even John McCain's long standing record against all the pork and earmarks, admirable as it is and should be honored, is only about less than 5 percent of the pie. The Bridge to Nowhere is hardly a boondoggle compared to the Iraq war expenditures.


I've bee n a long fan of McCain, but I like Obama (especially the Obama Girl).

Yes, Obama goes against some of my Republican sympathies, but I think he would start a better national conversation with quality and thoughtfulness over issues we are not solving:

National health care, foreign policy.
 
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