The next american president

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The wife voted by mail in ballot 4 years ago, but will sit this one out (unless by some miracle Mike Huckabee wins the Republican nomination). John McCain seems like a suitable candidate for president, however his views on tax cuts and immigration are not shared by most conservatives.

I can envision the Democrats winning the presidential election in November as many conservatives will not vote.

 

[Tonington]

Nice comments Jim. I think you're right about the leadership issue a la Obama. A standard sports line, "Great players make the players around them better."

I hope Obama wins too. I think he could do a stellar job at bringing America some much needed diplomatic capital. That's been the saddest part of the last 8 years, watching a great nation depart from the former leadership it once commanded.

 

[I think not]

Good to see you ITN !!!

I'm a Republican heavily leaning towards Obama. The egotism of McCain is not something I have a handle on yet. I'm paying more attention to this qualm since I ignored the same qualm about W. Bush.

Nice to see you too Jim. [Off Topic On] Are you married yet? [/Off Topic Off]

McCain doesn't stand a chance, he's not liked by Republicans. But Republicans hate Hillary more than they hate McCain. If Obama runs, he'll win the Presidency hands down. Hopefully.

If Hillary runs, she better lighten up otherwise she could lose.

Bush has damaged the Republican party beyond belief, it will take a stellar politician to get things back on track with their party.

 

[talloola]

When Obama says "The time is now", he is so right.
I hope the american people don't let him slip by this time, they need to do it NOW,
the turn around needs to happen NOW, there is much damage, it needs to be addressed
NOW.
When he says "We need to look to the future, not the past, he is right. Electing Clinton or
McCain, is staying in the past, not a good idea.

 

[lone wolf]

In my humble opinion, Obama would be the guy I'd trust to restore some of the credibility Bush's arrogance has cost the States.

Woof!

 

[jimmoyer]

Nice to see you too Jim. [Off Topic On] Are you married yet? [/Off Topic Off]

McCain doesn't stand a chance, he's not liked by Republicans. But Republicans hate Hillary more than they hate McCain. If Obama runs, he'll win the Presidency hands down. Hopefully.

If Hillary runs, she better lighten up otherwise she could lose.

Bush has damaged the Republican party beyond belief, it will take a stellar politician to get things back on track with their party.
__________________above posted by I Think Not (ITN)-------------------------------------------

Yeah ITN, she allowed me to marry her Sept 4th of last year.

LOL !!!!

I could give you more of an insider view of the Republican inner turmoil, a weird matter that most Democrats can't figure out, much less have the patience to stomach through all the minute parsing of it.

Here's part of it.

I'm a big McCain fan. Except I got that qualm about McCain's ego that only an Obama can expose better than the more polarizing Hillary "Billary" Clinton machine can.

Also Obama has proven leadership qualities in setting the tone of the campaign. Hillary didn't set it. Obama did. That gives Obama points in my book.

The Conservative Right Wing Talk Radio in America has it so wrong about McCain's conservative credentials. If you look through the headlines back in 1976 and 1980, the conservative wing even gave a lot of crap to Reagan, asserting he was not conservative enough on abortion and on the appointment of Judges.

The Conservatives seemed to have forgotten how much they attacked their hallowed God back then.

McCain has been an anti-pork, anti-earmark cutting spending hawk for 20 years, a major matter forgotten by the conservatives. McCain was right why the conservative vote was so tepid and light in turnout in the last congressional elections because their great conservative hero (who I hate), Tom Delay the Hammer led the Republicans to quadruple the pork spending, quadruple and quintuple the number of earmarks more than any Democratic Congress in my lifetime. Tom Delay is no conservative, but rather corrupted the Republican Party and married it to every lobbyist on K-Street and used the pork to buy every vote in every congressional district. This is hardly inspiring. But that was his plan. Sucked. Guess what ? The Republican voters stayed home because of that. Maybe Talk Radio here might catch up with that fact.


Tom Delay and many Republicans abandoned fiscal responsibility and a major tenet of the conservative way.

So McCain is a lot more the right one on that matter. And paradoxically, he's the maverick.

He was also a hater of Rumsfeld and pushed for the Surge. He turned out right on both accounts.

Despite the fact that we were all wrong about entering the damn war in the first place.

I could go on...

The paradoxes continue...

 

[Kreskin]

I like the point you made about Obama setting the tone and being the leader. I get a good feeling about him. The world needs someone who can create a vision and have the majority follow. He's the best chance at it.

 

[gopher]

``Vietnam and Cuba are JFK's legacy``


In his memoirs, Eisenhower accepted full blame for both fiascoes.

Very unusual for a Republican to take such responsibility, ain't it?

 

[dancing-loon]

The latest news: Obama is winning!!:lol::lol:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7240399.stm

 

[Toro]

Obama is going to crush McCain the election.

 

[jimmoyer]

If the election were held tommorrow, I'd say Obama 54 percent to McCain's 44 percent.
Allow the 2 percent unaccountables.

If ...

the election were held tommorrow.

But

alot can happen wrong or right for either candidate between now and then.

I hate the current siren question of the right wing radio crowd asking, "What accomplishments have either Hillary or Barak ?"

Imagine, can you think of any accomplishments Abe Lincoln had prior to his Presidency ?

Each one you point out would be a personal accomplishment or a career accomplishment that Hillary or Barak could even tout more than poor old Abe.

 

[darkbeaver]

Bombong? Ah, you're high aren't you?

That explains everything.

You're just guiessing.

 

[talloola]

If the election were held tommorrow, I'd say Obama 54 percent to McCain's 44 percent.
Allow the 2 percent unaccountables.

If ...

the election were held tommorrow.

But

alot can happen wrong or right for either candidate between now and then.

I hate the current siren question of the right wing radio crowd asking, "What accomplishments have either Hillary or Barak ?"

Imagine, can you think of any accomplishments Abe Lincoln had prior to his Presidency ?

Each one you point out would be a personal accomplishment or a career accomplishment that Hillary or Barak could even tout more than poor old Abe.

There isn't much else they can zero in on, as Obama doesn't carry the baggage or
have failures in his life, as many of them do, especially those who have been in
government, either democrat or republican. And, I hope Obama is the eventual
winner, but they have to get through Texas, Pennselvania, Ohio, and a few others before that happens,
and it could still be difficult for Obama to defeat Clinton, but I'm sure hoping, it looks
real good this morning.

 

[MikeyDB]

Greetings Jimmoyer..

I would like to share your enthusiasm for Obama.... I've listened to some of his campaign rhetoric and he offers valid and sometimes insightful arguments to the Military Industrial Complex that McCain represents. Unfortunately I don't believe that America is ready for anyone who stands up to the corrupted Manifest Destiny doctrine that has allowed Nixon to Reagan to Bush to take America and reduce it to a dream of the wealthy while destroying the middle class and widening the gap between the elite and the average Joe or Jane America.

Is it reasonable to believe that a population convinced despite a plethora of evidence to the contrary that Saddam Hussein and Iraq were involved in 9/11? Is it reasonable to expect that a nation of people who twice endorsed a liar and a fraud like George W. Bush have somehow regained their senses?

Obama may have wonderfully moving speeches and eloquent oratory but where the rubber meets the road..so to speak, is it realistic to believe that the big business interests of the United States who renounced their "agreement" with Canada over softwood lumber...who salivated at the opportunity to build gargantuan nest-eggs on the looming "necessity" of war in Iraq and elsewhere are willing to entertain any other strategy? A strategy that may return the population of America back to the position of controlling their government and their nation as opposed to dancing the dance of the wealthy powerful elite who have demonstrated their preparededness to flush America down the drain in the name of "profit"?

America's largest banking institutions were complicit in the sub-prime mortgage game and now somehow their eagerness will be transformed into altruism and pride in their country?

Too much to expect I think.

 

[darkbeaver]

Quoteing Oblama "-----"It's time to write a new chapter in American history."

He's got plagarizeing writers, dosn't matter though, most Americans accept this tripe as policy. I'v heard the same line by hundreds of public and private figures, it's spin and old stale spin at that. What are the policys of Oblama? That new chapter is going to be economic misery and military humiliation and hate.

 

[Colpy]

Obama is going to crush McCain the election.

You may be correct......and I think that would be very unfortunate........John McCain should be President, IMHO.

On the other hand, you could do a LOT worse than Barack Obama............

Strange that it will probably be maverick vs maverick in this election. Puts the lie to the claim of the cynics that only cardboard cut-outs can be elected.........

 

[Colpy]

Quoteing Oblama "-----"It's time to write a new chapter in American history."

He's got plagarizeing writers, dosn't matter though, most Americans accept this tripe as policy. I'v heard the same line by hundreds of public and private figures, it's spin and old stale spin at that. What are the policys of Oblama? That new chapter is going to be economic misery and military humiliation and hate.

DB, if the Dalai Lama was elected US president, with a re-incarnated Martin Luther King as VP, you'd be off on exactly the same rant......

It does get a little tiresome.

Although I agree Obama is riding a wave of personality...........with very little substance.
I do think he could become a great American reformer in domestic policy......something the USA needs.

McCain is ALL substance........he is the man.

 

[MikeyDB]

Colpy

How can you endorse a man who would declare war out of the exact same reasoning as George W. Bush? How can you support a man who heralds Ronald Reagan as his hero..a man who broke the law to supply weapons to some while engaging in business with America's sworn enemy..Iran?

How can you champion a man who believes that "might is right" and that like every other Republican warmonger trusts in the philosophy that he "ends" justify the "means"?

George Bush took the United States to war based on lies and misdirection and I'm sorry but McCain is more than capable of looking through those same glasses and declaring war in the name of any trumped-up nonsense.... This man is cut from the same fabric as GWB and Ronald Reagan....

If McCain becomes president, are you suggesting that the militarization of America and its meddling in any foreign state that the military industrial complex decides is "necessary" wouldn't continue?

McCain is a dangerous man Colpy and the financial backers who've heavily invested in profiteering on the blood of young men and women wasted on this dog-and-pony-show of a "war on terror" won't permit anything less than continued belicose actions by the American administration. If McCain is elected president we all have much less time to smell the roses before the mushrooms take over the landscape.

 

[jimmoyer]

MikeyDB, I don't think we can be completely sure you're right or wrong about McCain.

But his hatred for Rumsfeld and his disgust at our lack of aftermath planning is palpable and speaks in his favor.

His willingness not to march lockstep with the party and challenge it on the above and on torture is another point in favor of this maverick.

But his egotism, his jauntiness similar to Bush does haunt me more this time since I ignored the same qualm about Bush. I think Obama can uncover this. Hell he even has Hillary behaving on the campaign since he set the tone and tenor of it all. And like the good little follower, she's following Obama's lead.

Interesting.



Also McCain's wife is hot and Obama's wife is pretty damn cool.

whew !!!!

 

[MikeyDB]

Yes Jim I could be way off the mark with my assessment of McCain and I hope I am, but as the old saw goes...the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.... and we are more than familiar with the legacies of Reagan Nixon Bush et al.