Pretty much the same as our rights to access and possession if you've held up your end of the duties and obligations of a Person under the rule of law and Charter.
The Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun
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I count teens with guns as accidental, because they have obviously not been trained or registered gun users.
I have decided not to even respond to the comparison to auto accidents or tobacco, as these are separate issues. Tobacco rarely kills children, unless a dumb parent leaves butts in an ashtray within an infants reach and the child eats them. Car are essential in today's world and are used for transportation. Guns as I so often said, are manufactured for the sole purpose of killing a living being.
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From the rabidly anti-gun
n 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.18 From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.19
Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence – Gun Law Information Experts
That averages out to 633 per year, and that number has been falling.....
Good Lord, nobody cares what you count......
Teen shootings accidental. lol.
So when a turf war over drugs breaks out between tennaged gangs, it is all an accident.
Too funny for words.
I like the rifle version for doing flooring. Maybe waldo can use it for high ceilings.
What could possibly make you think teens have not been trained on firearm safety? Most of us were taught long before teens. Most have bagged a deer by the time they are a teen.
Guns as I so often said, are manufactured for the sole purpose of killing a living being.
Or protect ones self from being killed.
about that hypocrite definition! The part of the large CDC organization you focused in on... is the part of the organization that you focused in on... both times. There's not some other part of the CDC that you're suddenly accepting to! The first times when you totally trashed that part of the CDC organization... the second time when you thought you could actually leverage something from that part of the CDC organization. Same organization - same "part" of the organization. And now with this post you've flip-flopped once again... and now you're once again casting the CDC as the agenda-driven arm of the "gettin' yer guns' anti-gunners! Hypocrite!
geez Colpy... and you were so all "lack of reading comprehension" in my face with your dictionary references. You sure went mute when I countered with the Merriam Webster version... didn't you? :mrgreen:
that's your interpretation. For you to suggest the U.S. does not have a gun violence problem is ludicrous. That statement you quote goes no where towards attribution; again, that sponsored study is simply highlighting areas of needed research. Again, a CDC sponsored study on what needs to be studied! Quit making shyte up Colpy.
I expect you're back to your nonsense over Mexico. Here's a clue: Mexico is not typically included within the classic grouping of industrialized nations... it's referred to as a "NIC"... a newly industrialized country (along with South Africa, Brazil, China, India, Malaysia, the Philippines, Thailand and Turkey). In any case, Mexico was/is an outlier given the decade+ long drug cartel influences... whether you accept that or not!
now that was a sly move there Colpy! You put forward an article extract with a linked reference to the CDC sponsored report... and then that article immediately launches into a "top-10 takeways" review of the report. Somehow you don't actually include the link to the article... leaving the impression that the grouping of 10 is something the report includes/provides. Of course, that's not the case... it's simply the author's interpretation of the report! Well done Colpy, well done oh disingenuous one! Rather than just accept that author's interpretation of the report... perhaps you should actually emphasize the conclusion statements from that author, hey! Here, let me do that for you:
These conclusions don’t line up perfectly with either side’s agenda. That’s a good reason to take them seriously—and to fund additional data collection and research that have been blocked by Congress over politics.
see Colpy, your own article extract (which you didn't link to) reaffirms the point I've made several times... reaffirms the position put forward by the CDC! That additional research is needed; as, again, the key point from the CDC sponsored report, "a study to determine what needs to be studied"!
and your "reading comprehension, your critical thinking" failures are well showcased in this thread! :mrgreen: Along with your disingenuous attempt to present summary conclusions as i they came directly from the report!
Actually, I didn't.
Obviously, you can't even be taught, you're such a fvcking idiot.
Lovely, except I never did suggest that. Reading comprehension again!
So let me get this straight:
You can't compare murder rates, because that makes the USA look pretty good, so you use "gun related" deaths.
You can't compare all the nations, because that makes the USA look pretty good. so you use "industrialized" nations.
You can't use all industrialized nations, because that makes the USA look pretty good, so you eliminate "new" industrialized nations.
But you still want us to take the numbers seriously.
Sorry Pal, you're the village idiot, the rest of us can see through these manipulations.
You are correct, I did not supply the link....I thought the author line at the end was the link. My bad
Handguns, suicides, mass shootings deaths, and self-defense: Findings from a research report on gun violence.
There you go.
Pure, unadulterated Bullshyte.
You have lost this debate so badly
Just quit.
At this point you are just making a fool out of yourself.
What is really hilarious is your complete inability to think for yourself.........
You never post anything remotely analytical, unless it is a cut and paste.
You never state your own ideas, you just cut and paste other people's ideas.
You refuse to answer the simplest questions, probably because you can not cut and paste the answers:
Waldo, do you believe in "the right to die"?
Waldo, what do you think would be a reasonable gun control framework?
Nothing.
Why is that Waldo?
as you said, you were going to give me a 1st lesson in reading comprehension, and you put forward a couple of dictionary references, told me to think on that and that you'd give me another lesson tomorrow. I'll re-quote you if you'd like. Of course, as I said, you went all mute on my provided definition and how it applied to you in how you significantly chastised both the UN and the U.S. CDC, stated they couldn't be trusted, that they were completely biased and you also topped that off with your favourite ready-reach conspiracy themes. Of course, again, when you thought you could actually leverage data/information from both the UN/CDC, to suit your gunNut agenda, you flip-flopped and all a sudden you really, really liked the UN/CDC for their data/information. That sir, again, is you being a hypocrite! And, again, both your attempts failed as you haven't even the rudiments of data analysis understanding. Of course, that doesn't factor into your perpetual confidence lacking wails about "winning"!!! :mrgreen:
no, again... your writing is there... I'll quote it if you'd like. You quoted the statement, "The United States has an indisputable gun violence problem", calling it, "...a ludicrous statement that shows a desire to reach a anti-gun conclusion:"
ah yes, the Colpy U.S. wannabe thunders forward, ever ready to protect the sanctity of the U.S. Gun Culture! :mrgreen: Of course Colpy, representative comparisons are key... that's why you don't like representative comparisons... that's why you want a comparison that includes all war-torn countries, 3rd world countries, less developed countries, etc.. That's why you whined/wailed for pages on end about Mexico! You want all those non-representative countries to be included just so you can point to a list that shows the U.S. farther down the list, below all those countries that bear no like representation to the U.S.. That sir, that is your charade... problem for you is it's so bloody transparent... only a fool would even attempt it!
that's a start Colpy! The complete correction on your part would be to state the long quoted list, with details, that you provided wasn't from the CDC sponsored report that was linked to immediately preceding your quote of that long detailed listing. Cause, like I said Colpy, that disingenuously gave the impression it was actually from the report... and not from the article you were referencing. Of course, you wouldn't do such a thing on purpose... would you, hey! :mrgreen:
equally, I see you're not going to bother recognizing your own (non-linked) reference author's summary conclusion stating that,
"These conclusions don’t line up perfectly with either side’s agenda. That’s a good reason to take them seriously—and to fund additional data collection and research that have been blocked by Congress over politics."
no sireeColpy, you don't want to even acknowledge I red-bold highlighted the above statement... particularly to reinforce it's exactly in-line with what I'd been repeatedly stating was the principal finding from that CDC sponsored report (a study on, "what to study")... that data is lacking/dated and that research is needed. Something you absolutely refuse to accept is necessary... of course you do. The last thing gunNutz want is for research into gun-related violence to begin/proceed!
more chest-pumping Colpy? :mrgreen:I've already, multiple times now, ridiculed your pompous claims/implications that, "you're an independent thinker"! Your "independent thinking" is just so directly taken from the playbook and talking points regularly played out by gun lobbyists, gun advocates, gun zealots, etc.! And for you, the KING OF CUT & PASTE, to presume to speak to the C&P of anyone, that sir... that is you once again being the HYPOCRITE! If nothing else Colpy, you're great comedic relief!
Actually, no it isn't. But you are, as I said, too huge a fvcking moron to understand the simplest concepts.
For example of your inability to understand the simplest concepts, and the fact that you are a liar as well as an idiot, please see above.
"The United States has an indisputable gun violence problem"
is not a "...a ludicrous statement that shows a desire to reach a anti-gun conclusion:", nor did I call it that.
The following is what I called "...a ludicrous statement that shows a desire to reach a anti-gun conclusion:"
The United States has an indisputable gun violence problem. According to the report, “the U.S. rate of firearm-related homicide is higher than that of any other industrialized country: 19.5 times higher than the rates in other high-income countries.”
Not only is it "...a ludicrous statement that shows a desire to reach a anti-gun conclusion:", it is a blatant lie. And you know it. The fact you did not include the quote I was actually speaking to means you support their lies. You are a liar as well as an idiot.
Pathetic, really and truly pathetic.
You can't even make the United States look that bad using "industrialized" countries, and using only "gun related" murders......you have to find some excuse to eliminate the data that does not meet your foregone conclusion.
And you expect us to accept your opinion on this, and on Global Warming.
The thing is, as I said below, you really are a true believer. A troll, yes, an obnoxious ar$ehole, yes, a child whining about insults while they insult, yes, a person absolutely incapable of thinking for themself.....yes.......but all that comes together to make you a believer in fairy tales......like the GW con, and the anti-gun myth.
BTW, oh great thinker, do you believe in "the right to die"?
Waldo, what do you think would be a reasonable gun control framework?
You are incapable of answering any question that requires you to think.
I don't have a problem with that, as long as the research is done by someone capable of neutrality on the subject, and the CDC ain't it.
Even this report, although it recognizes the blatantly obvious fact that defensive gun use is widespread, shows serious bias.
When a report lies by eliminating data, it has no validity.
You have lost this debate so badly
Just quit.
At this point you are just making a fool out of yourself.
standard Colpy dumbass-act! You threw down your ludicrous assessment prior to the multiple statement quote... and you expect the reader of your assessment to parse out what part of the quote you're applying it to! To just know!!! You've now increased the font of that part of the quote you now say you intended your "ludicrous assessment" to apply to... the font size wasn't increased as a part of the original full statements. And here you are in your meltdown spouting "fvcking moron, idiot, liar"... but, of course, the reader is supposed to know what part of the statement grouping you were targeting... supposed to just know! Colpy the dumbass having a fatuous meltdown over his own failure to be pointedly clear, to be precise. :mrgreen:
but I am intrigued, Colpy! If you truly are saying you're accepting to the statement/fact that the U.S. does have a gun-related violence problem... just what are you advocating to reduce that problem? Oh wait, don't tell me... "more Good Guys... with More Guns"? Say ut ain't so, Colpy; say it ain't so!
you keep showing your infantile self by continuing to reference and draw likeness/parallels to, as you call it "Global Warming". You can't seem to discuss/argue this topic without your bellicose and juvenile references to another topic, one not even being discussed here. More pointedly, I could give a rats-patooey on what you accept... in any topic! I certainly don't value the thoughts/understanding/acceptance of blowhard posers like you!
you've shown your outright ignorance in anything to do with GW/AGW/CC... you haven't a bloody clue about anything in that subject area. And pretty much the same here; the difference being that here you're more vested in the topic as clearly you hold gunNuttery to a personal devotion level! Add to that your U.S. wannabe self talking as if you're a bloody American throughout this whole thread! Purrfect!
as for the whole insult thingee, yup I've pointed out a few times now how there is little to no moderation enforcing the CC Forum rules against insults... in the context of the clubhouseBROs "unleasing the insult hounds" in place of actual discussion... purposely derailing threads and burying actual discussion... pages deep sometimes. Now, yes, I throw some mud back... but certainly not to your level Colpy! But ya, I won't just sit back and accept everything thrown at me. Of course, if there was moderated enforcement of the forum rules... this would be a different board, wouldn't it Colpy?
you've asked that same question a few times now... apparently, you've observed me ignoring you! :mrgreen: Ya see, if you want to discuss that, the way this works is you put up a point of reference. Now, of course, I have a sense of what talking points you're waiting to fire-up... but you're going to have to play them first! I mean, after all, it's you that has a burning itch to discuss... "sumthin". Let me know what it is, hey! Unless you're actually afraid to put yourself out there... is that it, Colpy?
:mrgreen: like I keep saying!
You won't answer simple questions and you won't show personal photos of Machu Picchu......go figure....
apparently... suicide by gun is a... right! Hey Colpy! Live Free Or Die... err... Kill Yourself By Gun Or Die!!! :mrgreen:
your attempted deflection is noted!
still waiting, Colpy... still waiting!
And about the way you did not answer Colpy's question is not deflection in your hypocritical opinion?
I am not sure where you found these stats, but since I have been here in Florida in December, there have been not less than 3 to 4 teens killed by firearms EVERY week. That is just in a fairly local region and doesn't even take in Miami, or Jacksonville area. Over and above this, are the gang slayings, drive by shootings and just stupid firing rifles in the air in celebration of whatever turns them on. In my opinion, your stats are so far off as to be ridiculous. When will you understand that there is NO central department, agency that keeps thorough stats anymore in the US. I have given you over the years, the facts on how this happened but hey, you know better, right!!! The Republicans put in by those who are gungho nitwits who are so paranoid as to believe decent gun controls means instant loss of freedom to shoot their neighbors if they come to complain about their dog pooping on their lawns.From the rabidly anti-gun
n 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.18 From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.19
Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence – Gun Law Information Experts
That averages out to 633 per year, and that number has been falling.....
Good Lord, nobody cares what you count......
Teen shootings accidental. lol.
So when a turf war over drugs breaks out between tennaged gangs, it is all an accident.
Too funny for words.
AAWK, I am fed up with numbnuts on both sides of the border!!