The left is alienating its allies by shutting down free speech

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Earlier this month, in an ironic but somehow all too predictable turn of events, Ryerson University announced that it would be cancelling its event called "The Stifling of Free Speech on University Campuses." The event was to be held last Tuesday and panel members included Jordan Peterson, the University of Toronto professor who opposes Bill C-16's mandate for gender-neutral pronouns, Gad Saad, an evolutionary behavioural scientist at Concordia University, Oren Amitay, a clinical psychologist and Ryerson University sessional lecturer and Faith Goldy, formerly of Canada's Rebel Media.
Ryerson cited safety concerns as the reason for shutting the event down, saying in a statement that "Ryerson is not equipped to provide the necessary level of public safety for the event to go forward." Safety concerns have obviously been heightened in the wake of the events in Charlottesville earlier this month, when a car allegedly driven by 20-year-old James Alex Fields Jr. ran into a crowd of counter-protesters at a white nationalist rally, killing one.
Safety or pressure?

But the "safety" concern is a dubious one, considering that Sarina Singh, organizer of the Ryerson event and an alum of the university, said in an email that far-left groups including No Fascist T.O. had been harassing Ryerson's administration to cancel the event, calling the panel speakers "Nazis." Once the event had officially been cancelled, the group's "anti-fascism" rally turned into a celebration on Ryerson's campus.
Even if safety was and is a real concern, a university should make it its mission to ensure that sufficient security personnel are on hand to make sure controversial events can proceed as scheduled. What are academic institutions for, after all, if not to challenge minds and host rigorous debates on contentious issues?
The risk in all of this, for the left especially, is in polarizing once-allies who might abhor the views espoused by controversial speakers, but still value the right to free speech and appreciate the role of the university as a venue for debate.
Those promulgating censorship, however, argue that it is in the best interest of marginalized and targeted groups to shut down these speakers, based on the notion it will protect them from further oppression and harm.
But a solid perspective doesn't need to be insulated from criticism in order to stand. And contrary to what these groups would have you believe, many of the folks advocating for free speech are not racist, sexist, alt-right zealots, but often people who are left-leaning and questioning the cause. Take, for example, the plea by CNN host Fareed Zakaria — who is generally viewed as a liberal — to so-called progressive university students, urging them to listen to opposing points of view instead of silencing them.
Many "progressives" on the left often call anyone who criticizes it "far-right" and "fascist," including those who, by many people's standards, would be considered liberally minded. For example, Peterson, a self-described classic British liberal who has explicitly spoken out against fascism and Nazism, has been erroneously labelled as "far-right." Classic liberalism upholds values like freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas, but because these ideals are often dismissed by the reactionary left for the sake of "safe spaces," individuals defending them are cast as the enemy.
Dictating what is and isn't acceptable speech sends a very clear message regarding who among us has the authority to hold an opinion. (YouTube)

This conflation of defenders of free speech with ideological extremists only fuels frustration among moderates, forcing unnecessary polarization. Indeed, it just ends up alienating many on the left who aren't on board with this agenda, because those of us with liberal values just can't take it seriously anymore.
Take, for instance, how things have unfolded since Ryerson's event was cancelled. After reaching out on social media to Christeen Thornton, one of organizers behind No Fascist T.O.'s rally, Amitay (who, full disclosure, is a colleague) found himself accused, without evidence, of doxxing her. When faced with screenshots demonstrating no wrongdoing on his part and that he had contacted her in good faith, Thornton accused him of altering the images with Photoshop.
The event has since been rescheduled for November, to be held in a venue off-campus. Thornton has posted on social media about plans to shut down that event, too, writing, "Last time we shut them up in less than 12 hours," which suggests that it was never about creating a "safe space" on Ryerson's campus, but rather, muzzling anyone who dares to disagree.
Yet there was nothing harmful or hateful about this event — it was merely an opportunity to encourage the exchange of different ideas and dialogue without fear of negative repercussions.
Dictating what is and isn't acceptable speech sends a very clear message regarding who among us has the authority to hold an opinion. As groupthink continues to pervade, we must hold institutions—and individuals—accountable when they capitulate to these threats.
Narrowing the window of acceptable speech only widens the political divide. Those of us in favour of true liberty will continue to abandon the far-left; we have no choice but to.



The left is alienating its allies by shutting down free speech - CBC News | Opinion

The best article yet on the fascism of the left.

"Narrowing the window of acceptable speech only widens the political divide."
 

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Fascism is indeed a problem, from both wings.

But there's another problem here: bureaucratic cowardice.

I'd like to see the following from the Dean, or the Provost, or whatever silly term colleges use to designate the MFWIC:

As part of our Speaker Series, this weekend we will be hearing from Dr. Ernst Roehm, who will offer a perspective on race, religion, and culture somewhat different from that offered by Dr. Mikhail Bakunin last weekend. All students are invited to attend, question, and debate. We also encourage peaceful protest from those who feel strongly that. . . well, whatever you feel. That's what freedom is all about. Freedom, however, extends to thought and speech, not to action, and the campus police have been instructed to take into custody anyone who commits a crime against persons or property, using, of course, the minimum force necessary to effect an arrest.

Or, as Dr. Benjamin Grimm put it so eloquently, "It's clobberin' time."
 

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It's time to quit playing f*cking games. When there's an organized protest never mind the cops. Bring in the army with full gear. ANY protester/counter-protester who is covering their face should be detained, forcibly if necessary. Peaceful protesters will have nothing to worry about. Violent protesters should be subjected to a rifle butting and dragged off to the cops for holding.
It's time to stomp out fascism in both of our countries regardless of which "side" they're on. We don't need it and we sure as hell don't want it.
Oh wait, we got Trulydopey for a Prime Minister so all our army will be good for until he's gone is setting up tents for illegals to be processed.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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It's time to quit playing f*cking games. When there's an organized protest never mind the cops. Bring in the army with full gear. ANY protester/counter-protester who is covering their face should be detained, forcibly if necessary. Peaceful protesters will have nothing to worry about. Violent protesters should be subjected to a rifle butting and dragged off to the cops for holding.
It's time to stomp out fascism in both of our countries regardless of which "side" they're on. We don't need it and we sure as hell don't want it.
Oh wait, we got Trulydopey for a Prime Minister so all our army will be good for until he's gone is setting up tents for illegals to be processed.
Kent State. Just sayin'.
 

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You can tell by the globalnazicomunists definition skills that they don't do science much, or mth or history.
..and as Liebarrel arts grads they also won't be doing too much work either.

I guess sh!T disturbing is the only work they can get.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Was Kent State rockin' with genuine fascists on both sides? From what I understand, it was a peaceful protest of Vietnam and/or the draft and that the only violence there came from some trigger happy N.G.
But I do see your point.
Don't bring soldiers to do cops' jobs. Their equipment and orientation is totally different.

And at Kent State, the specific trigger to the disaster was a group of students throwing stones.
 

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Fascism is indeed a problem, from both wings.

But there's another problem here: bureaucratic cowardice.

I'd like to see the following from the Dean, or the Provost, or whatever silly term colleges use to designate the MFWIC:

As part of our Speaker Series, this weekend we will be hearing from Dr. Ernst Roehm, who will offer a perspective on race, religion, and culture somewhat different from that offered by Dr. Mikhail Bakunin last weekend. All students are invited to attend, question, and debate. We also encourage peaceful protest from those who feel strongly that. . . well, whatever you feel. That's what freedom is all about. Freedom, however, extends to thought and speech, not to action, and the campus police have been instructed to take into custody anyone who commits a crime against persons or property, using, of course, the minimum force necessary to effect an arrest.

Or, as Dr. Benjamin Grimm put it so eloquently, "It's clobberin' time."

From the bureaucratic standpoint, it sure wouldn't take very much to incorporate an action that any (Ryerson) students caught participating in any violent interaction be subject to immediate expulsion.

All other visitors to the event register with the U.

Except the lefty fascists don't have the balls to blow themselves up for their cause.

Such a shame really... I guess that they just don't truly believe in their cause as much as they think
 

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From the bureaucratic standpoint, it sure wouldn't take very much to incorporate an action that any (Ryerson) students caught participating in any violent interaction be subject to immediate expulsion.

All other visitors to the event register with the U.
Good points, all.



Such a shame really... I guess that they just don't truly believe in their cause as much as they think
I'm not sure Islamic fascists fit into a left/right paradigm.

Though I'd point out that the "lefty" (at least J. Edgar Hoover called them communists) "fascists" of the Civil Rights Movement had the balls to march knowing they'd be beaten at least, jailed certainly, and murdered fairly regularly.
 

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I'm not sure Islamic fascists fit into a left/right paradigm.

Though I'd point out that the "lefty" (at least J. Edgar Hoover called them communists) "fascists" of the Civil Rights Movement had the balls to march knowing they'd be beaten at least, jailed certainly, and murdered fairly regularly.

Well put and very accurate

From my side relative to the post you referenced on blowing up oneself, I just couldn't resist the opportunity to be snarky... Not helpful to the discussion, but alas, it is an Achilles heel of mine
 

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Well put and very accurate

From my side relative to the post you referenced on blowing up oneself, I just couldn't resist the opportunity to be snarky... Not helpful to the discussion, but alas, it is an Achilles heel of mine
Yeah, well, I'm not in much of a position to throw stones. First, because I'm not very good at resisting that temptation myself; second, because throwing stones'll get a body shot! Been there, don't wanna revisit. You know the old saying, "Shoot me once, shame on you. Shoot me twice, I probably had it coming."
 

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Don't bring soldiers to do cops' jobs. Their equipment and orientation is totally different.

And at Kent State, the specific trigger to the disaster was a group of students throwing stones.
Meanwhile we had Oka where it was one of the cops who was killed. The Van Doos showed incredible restraint when they were brought in after the Quebec Suretee and then the RCMP lost all control of the situation.
There reaches a point where demonstrations and demonstrators are beyond the cop's ability to effectively deal with.