The Immorality of ‘Humanitarian’ Military Intervention
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Then what about when NATO intervened in Bosnia or Kosovo?
A country acts upon their interests - That is the reality - But on others like Darfur, Bosnia, Kosovo - well no oil there. So explain that one.
You do not inhabit the real world.
You pal The Troll.
I'd like to hear that one.
You're a troll too? I guess anyone who disagrees with the NOOB is a troll.
Nope not me - I can spot the flaws and better than you can. That is the reality - As to Moral Compass - It was a critical part of your statement so it should apply to all. Should it not.
I just happen to spot your flaws, which are immense - Like JBeee - you hate what ever the west does. So be it.
Many persons have degrees - that in itself does not impart intelligence. It mean you have a degree - whoop dee doo dooo. Do you have the opinion that a degree imparts intelligence?????
It's probably the Christianity ideology that is embedded in these countries ( France, US, Brit. Etc etc) that they can't seem to allow other countries look after their own problems when it comes to countries killing their own people or totally mistreating people.
It seems to me, Christians always seem to get involved, as opposed to other countries!!
Just a thought !!
It seems to me, Christians always seem to get involved, as opposed to other countries!!
Just a thought !!
Give me a break, the Libyan Government has been murdering people for four decades
and not a single whine about it. The people rise up and seek to free themselves from
one of the most blood thirsty people on the planet, not to mention one of the top ten in
the crazy department, and some people make it sound like we are stomping on kittens
in the spring. The average person in the street in Libya is willing to die for the cause of
their own freedom, they actually want the west to step in and bring change about. When
America and her allies do things that are not just fine scream all you want, but when the
Libyan People themselves are in tune with what we are doing that is another matter.
I am someone who is probably more left than right, but I also believe in common sense,
and the current Libyan Government is long past its best before date. Also not every time
America and Europe does something, is it a grand conspiracy, of evil, that is starting to
wear thin with me. Yes when they attacked Iraq the west was wrong, even though Saddam
was a dictator, the people of that country were more supportive of him because he kept the
Crazy Sharia Crowd in check. If they were to attack Hugo down there is South America I
would be opposed to that as well.
If people want to go back in time and use the term murder in Chile, when the Americans in
fact murdered Allende, who was elected by the people, that is fair game. This case in point
is not murder, nor aggression, nor a violation of international law. It is a justifiable action
in accordance with the United Nations, and several others in the region. Is it a nasty business?
Yes war is a nasty business, and people get killed, however the vast majority of people in Libya
are willing to take the risk in order to gain their freedom, something we already have.
Its time we showed these dictators where the bear sh*t in the buckwheat.
and not a single whine about it. The people rise up and seek to free themselves from
one of the most blood thirsty people on the planet, not to mention one of the top ten in
the crazy department, and some people make it sound like we are stomping on kittens
in the spring. The average person in the street in Libya is willing to die for the cause of
their own freedom, they actually want the west to step in and bring change about. When
America and her allies do things that are not just fine scream all you want, but when the
Libyan People themselves are in tune with what we are doing that is another matter.
I am someone who is probably more left than right, but I also believe in common sense,
and the current Libyan Government is long past its best before date. Also not every time
America and Europe does something, is it a grand conspiracy, of evil, that is starting to
wear thin with me. Yes when they attacked Iraq the west was wrong, even though Saddam
was a dictator, the people of that country were more supportive of him because he kept the
Crazy Sharia Crowd in check. If they were to attack Hugo down there is South America I
would be opposed to that as well.
If people want to go back in time and use the term murder in Chile, when the Americans in
fact murdered Allende, who was elected by the people, that is fair game. This case in point
is not murder, nor aggression, nor a violation of international law. It is a justifiable action
in accordance with the United Nations, and several others in the region. Is it a nasty business?
Yes war is a nasty business, and people get killed, however the vast majority of people in Libya
are willing to take the risk in order to gain their freedom, something we already have.
Its time we showed these dictators where the bear sh*t in the buckwheat.
The Bosnia/Kosovo situation included some pretty harsh ethnic cleansing much like the Nazi's in WW2. The humanitarian reasons to enter the conflict were great and the close proximity to central and western Europe were major factors. Underlying this were 2 planned major oil piplines, 1 from the black sea and 1 from the urals, running right through the region to refineries on the Adriatic.
Proposed European Crude Oil Pipelines Map - Europe ? mappery
Once again there are good humanitarian reasons to enter Darfur but Sudan is also the 3rd largest producer of oil in Africa.
afrol News - Sudan now Africa's third largest oil producer
You are quite correct that the western world is protecting it's own interests but those interests are oil and oil profit for corporations and have nothing to do with the average person.
Places that have no oil, like Ivory Coast, Sierra Leone and Myanmar will be left to themselves.
Quite correct...applies equally to all leaders like I said.
Don't hate the west or everything it does, just aware of the many ulterior motives involved and hate them trying to fool me into thinking different.
A degree is no reflection of anyone's particular level of intelligence, just gives better understanding of a particular area of study. Many smart people out there without a degree and many not so smart with multiple degrees..just look at the politicians. My area of study was commerce and macro-economics so I tend to boil down to the economic reasons for anything.
OK then what about Uganda, Sierra Leone, The fall of Apartheid - the Boycott started by Canada under Mulrooney I might add. - then Angola - Then add up over the last shall we say 50 years how much Aid the US provided. Think on that for a bit.
If a person just uses their limited knowledge - 2 specialties - 3 degrees whatever - relate that to the complete world to arrive at an opinion or a supposed final conclusion of what & why things happen, then the opinion will be in all likelihood, rigid, narrow minded and simplistic - That is not intended to insult - It is a valid point
No insult taken. It is a valid point as I admitted. I use what I know best to find the underlying economic reasons for the geo-political stance taken by the west. I also have the opinion that as oil drives the global economy that it is usually the most base reason for and has the most influence on the policies and practices of our governments.
Govts always and I mean always act in their countries self interest - just life.
I think that is too broad a statement to apply. Govt will act in the best interest of their biggest supporters and not the country as a whole.
In our present economic structure the banks and corporations have the most influence over all parties (except maybe the Bloc) because they hold our govt debt so that is what is the major influence on policy and it takes a major public outcry to override this. The oil companies and banks wanted Canada to go into Iraq and it took a lot of outrage from the masses to stop it.
Yes - it is just life as we know it until all the people realize we can change it.
I'm sure you do. Of course that doesn't really change a thing. As you yourself said, "The character flaw is not applying the assistance equally to all" and since you do not want to do that, you obviously feel your character is flawed. Trying to make this about somebody else won't hide that fact.
LOL!! Too funny!
It's true. Dubya (with the help of the Joos) took over the UN because they were evil-doers. Then he appointed Dick Cheney as King of the UN. There is nothing Obama can do about it because Dubya secretly changed the Constitution removing power from the Oval Office (after he left of course).
That would require shutting off the computer and going out and getting a job. Do you really think that could happen?
Do you feel the same way when somebody is being mugged or there is a fire?
Almost as bad as you did with your weak unsupported argument in 4 other threads, with me tearing apart your weak arguments. Repeatedly.
Running away..."It's a lot easier than proving me wrong. One of these days you might actually surprise me and win a debate instead of run away."
Quite.
I agree with your sentiment here, but find it hard to believe that you noticed the lack of a logical argument when you've shown a complete inability to formulate one yourself, on many occasions.
Because you keep making statements that beg for that kind of negative attention.
When all you do is pull crap out of your ass and post it, what else is there to attack, but the lack of education exhibited.
I haven't seen you attempt to discuss. Preach and make sweeping unfounded, unsupported claims. But no discussion.
Cool, so you'll cut off the power lines, stop driving and live off what you can gather within walking distance?
LMAO! Project much?
You've proved nothing but a serious lack in logic, comprehension and intelligence. I have yet to see you post anything but Op/Ed pieces. That proves nothing. Except that you have no idea how to support your position.
You've proven that that is a complete falsehood.
I can not say whether you are a good person or not. These are mere words on a screen. But I can pretty much say with all certainty, ES is no less a man because you can't support your position and beg for negative attention.
SEMPER FI!
With the cleanest windows in town. Looks like JBee, forgot his hockey helmet.
What about it? Albania promised the oil will flow, for the freedom of Kosovo.
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It may be that my word is wrong or correct; but certainly God's word is the truth:
As in the Quran 86: 15-17
إِنَّهُمْ يَكِيدُونَ كَيْدًا . وَأَكِيدُ كَيْدًا . فَمَهِّلِ الْكَافِرِينَ أَمْهِلْهُمْ رُوَيْدًا
The explanation:
(Surely, they are devising plots [against you, Mohammed.]
But, I [God, too] am plotting [My] plots [to exterminate them gradually.]
So respite the non-believers: giving them respite for a little while.)
quran-ayat.co
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Ron Paul: End the Libyan War!
YouTube - Ron Paul: End the Libyan War!
Below is the portion of the Michael Scheuer article that I believe Ron Paul is referring to at 2:35 of the video:
'2.) There is good reason to assess that whatever military backbone there is in the Libyan resistance comes not primarily from defectors from Qaddafi’s military, but rather from current or former Islamist mujahedin. For nearly 30 years, young Libyan males have been prominent in number and talent in Islamist insurgencies in Afghanistan — against the Soviets and the U.S.-led coalition — Iraq, the Balkans, Central Asia, the North Caucasus and elsewhere. In addition, Libyan Islamist groups have long struggled against Qaddafi’s regime inside Libya, especially in the country’s east. Indeed, one of the reasons Washington associated with and supported Qaddafi after 9/11 was because he was delighted to kill, persecute, and incarcerate Libyan Islamists at home and help us attack others overseas. In this regard, Qaddafi, like Egypt’s Mubarak, Tunisia’s Ben Ali, and Yemen’s Salih, was a key element in Washington’s counter-Islamist strategy. After U.S.-led forces lose their political leaders’ war in Libya, and it becomes clearer that we gave air cover to men who share bin Laden’s goal of driving the U.S. from the region and destroying Israel, we will hear Obama, McCain, Kerry, and their fellow European war-mongers complain about “intelligence failures.” They will assert that those “failures” yielded the unintended consequence of U.S. and Western aerial support that ensured not only Qaddafi’s survival but also the survival and re-invigoration of Libya’s Islamist mujahedin. This claim will be a lie to hide what was and is a perfectly predictable outcome.'
Michael Scheuer Non-Intervention.com
YouTube - Ron Paul: End the Libyan War!
Below is the portion of the Michael Scheuer article that I believe Ron Paul is referring to at 2:35 of the video:
'2.) There is good reason to assess that whatever military backbone there is in the Libyan resistance comes not primarily from defectors from Qaddafi’s military, but rather from current or former Islamist mujahedin. For nearly 30 years, young Libyan males have been prominent in number and talent in Islamist insurgencies in Afghanistan — against the Soviets and the U.S.-led coalition — Iraq, the Balkans, Central Asia, the North Caucasus and elsewhere. In addition, Libyan Islamist groups have long struggled against Qaddafi’s regime inside Libya, especially in the country’s east. Indeed, one of the reasons Washington associated with and supported Qaddafi after 9/11 was because he was delighted to kill, persecute, and incarcerate Libyan Islamists at home and help us attack others overseas. In this regard, Qaddafi, like Egypt’s Mubarak, Tunisia’s Ben Ali, and Yemen’s Salih, was a key element in Washington’s counter-Islamist strategy. After U.S.-led forces lose their political leaders’ war in Libya, and it becomes clearer that we gave air cover to men who share bin Laden’s goal of driving the U.S. from the region and destroying Israel, we will hear Obama, McCain, Kerry, and their fellow European war-mongers complain about “intelligence failures.” They will assert that those “failures” yielded the unintended consequence of U.S. and Western aerial support that ensured not only Qaddafi’s survival but also the survival and re-invigoration of Libya’s Islamist mujahedin. This claim will be a lie to hide what was and is a perfectly predictable outcome.'
Michael Scheuer Non-Intervention.com