The Immorality of ‘Humanitarian’ Military Intervention

ironsides

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Canadian Lieutenant-General Charles Bouchard. Hopefully the U.S. will step away from this totally. Civilians were never really being targeted by anyone, unless you consider the rebels civilians. This is just another version of looking for WMD's. Just another excuse to justify a war, and this time it was France, Italy England and the U.S. who started it. Just a Lockerbie pay back.
 

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Hopefully the U.S. will step away from this totally.

Libya conflict: revelations emerge that Obama has authorised undercover help | World news | The Guardian

Obama signed an order, known as a "finding", within the last two or three weeks, Reuters reported. The move will undoubtedly fuel speculation that the US and its allies are planning to actively arm the rebels. The White House and the CIA both declined to comment on the report.

However, a US intelligence source pointed out such orders were the beginning of a process of authorisation and concrete actions – such as having agents actively supplying arms to the rebels – would need further authorisations before they can proceed.

However, at the same time details were revealed of CIA and British intelligence operations inside Libya itself, which do involve a presence on the ground though fall short of a full operation of assistance. The New York Times reported that the CIA had inserted clandestine agents into the country to gather intelligence and help with identifying targets for airstrikes.

They included spies who had already been stationed in Libya and others who have arrived more recently. The newspaper also reported that "dozens" of British agents and special forces were also inside Libya, helping direct attacks by British aircraft.
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You know, in a way, this is partly what dethroning a dictator should be. Get a spy in there to take them out and you might be able to avoid large scale intervention.
 

EagleSmack

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I meant whose forces were leading the intervention.

And, intially, it was America.

Or did Canada borrow a couple of B-52's recently?

Oh no... we started off in Command because of our "unique capabilities" according to Obama.

But as it stands... this is a Canadian led mission. I am quite sure Canada will be ordering more US B-52, B-2, F-15 strikes as this goes on.

I meant whose forces were leading the intervention.

Right... It's a Canadian whose leading.

Feeling a little pressure now McRocket? :)
 

ironsides

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Libya conflict: revelations emerge that Obama has authorised undercover help | World news | The Guardian

Obama signed an order, known as a "finding", within the last two or three weeks, Reuters reported. The move will undoubtedly fuel speculation that the US and its allies are planning to actively arm the rebels. The White House and the CIA both declined to comment on the report.

However, a US intelligence source pointed out such orders were the beginning of a process of authorisation and concrete actions – such as having agents actively supplying arms to the rebels – would need further authorisations before they can proceed.

However, at the same time details were revealed of CIA and British intelligence operations inside Libya itself, which do involve a presence on the ground though fall short of a full operation of assistance. The New York Times reported that the CIA had inserted clandestine agents into the country to gather intelligence and help with identifying targets for airstrikes.

They included spies who had already been stationed in Libya and others who have arrived more recently. The newspaper also reported that "dozens" of British agents and special forces were also inside Libya, helping direct attacks by British aircraft.
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You know, in a way, this is partly what dethroning a dictator should be. Get a spy in there to take them out and you might be able to avoid large scale intervention.
I would have no objections to taking out Gadhafi by any covert method. In fact that is what should have been done years ago. Why Obama decided to take the lead from Great Briton and France when this started is what annoyed me. Why we deviated from just protecting a "no fly zone" is another annoyance.
 

EagleSmack

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I would have no objections to taking out Gadhafi by any covert method. In fact that is what should have been done years ago. Why Obama decided to take the lead from Great Briton and France when this started is what annoyed me. Why we deviated from just protecting a "no fly zone" is another annoyance.

This is far from a no fly zone.

NATO is the rebellion's air support now. We are bombing tanks, APC, and artillery and troops. Most likely there are Special Forces of all natons calling in the steel on target. The Libyan Rebels don't know how to do that and there are an awful lot of destroyed Libyan tanks around. Someone is guiding them in and it isn't that easy.
 

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Oh no... we started off in Command because of our "unique capabilities" according to Obama.

But as it stands... this is a Canadian led mission. I am quite sure Canada will be ordering more US B-52, B-2, F-15 strikes as this goes on.



Right... It's a Canadian whose leading.

Feeling a little pressure now McRocket? :)

Pressure? Over what?

Bewilderment at your response?

A little.
 

McRocket

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Well, that it is not a US led mission, it is a Canadian led mission.

That is all.

So the U.S., probably out of gratitude for all the deaths Canada has suffered in Afghanistan, gives them a token gesture by putting one of their own 'in charge'.

Like he was allowed to order the U.S. forces to do anything it's Commander-in-Chief did not agree with 100%?

Yeah right.

I don't care who was the puppet - the people pulling the strings (imo) were/are primarily Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy.
 

EagleSmack

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So the U.S., probably out of gratitude for all the deaths Canada has suffered in Afghanistan, gives them a token gesture by putting one of their own 'in charge'.

Is that a fact... or are you just making this up as you go along?

Like he was allowed to order the U.S. forces to do anything it's Commander-in-Chief did not agree with 100%?

Yeah right.

Yes, exactly. That is what being in charge is all about.

So, as Canada leads the charge they will be not only ordering the US, but France, and Britain too.

A Canadian is in charge of this and the forces under him will do as they are told. Full stop.

I don't care who was the puppet - the people pulling the strings (imo) were/are primarily Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy.

I could tell you were feeling a little pressure.
 

McRocket

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A Canadian is in charge of this and the forces under him will do as they are told. Full stop.

So if this Canuck General gives an order to an American that goes against a standing order from Obama or the Joint Chiefs - the Yankee will obey the Canuck?

Yeah...right.



Have a nice day.
 

gerryh

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So if this Canuck General gives an order to an American that goes against a standing order from Obama or the Joint Chiefs - the Yankee will obey the Canuck?

Yeah...right.



Have a nice day.


You really don't have a clue, do you.
 

EagleSmack

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So if this Canuck General gives an order to an American that goes against a standing order from Obama or the Joint Chiefs - the Yankee will obey the Canuck?

Yeah...right.



Have a nice day.


This Canadian General is in charge. Canada is leading the way. NATO Forces including the US Military will obey his orders. Full Stop.


Why are you panicking? Is it not as fun now?
 

EagleSmack

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You did not answer my question....full stop.

Lol.


Have a nice day.


The US Military will obey the orders of the Canadian General. That is the way it works.

Your country is leading the way in the Libyan War.

Question answered.... full stop.

Not so much fun now eh? It was easier the other way wasn't it. lol
 

McRocket

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The US Military will obey the orders of the Canadian General. That is the way it works.

Your country is leading the way in the Libyan War.

Question answered.... full stop.

Not so much fun now eh? It was easier the other way wasn't it. lol

Well, since you seem to keep avoiding answering a simple question - I would put it to you that you are the one who is having a less 'easier' time.


Me? I am bored silly today and I personally could care less who is charge - I just like debating with overzealous acting people like you.
 

EagleSmack

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Well, since you seem to keep avoiding answering a simple question - I would put it to you that you are the one who is having a less 'easier' time.


Me? I am bored silly today and I personally could care less who is charge - I just like debating with overzealous acting people like you.


I've answered your question. The US Military will obey the orders of the Canadian General. Why is it so hard for you to understand that?

You could care less who's in charge? Heck you had no idea of who was in charge!

Honestly, I am pumped that a Canadian is calling the shots.