The Immorality of ‘Humanitarian’ Military Intervention

EagleSmack

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Why is that....because there are no natural resources up for grabs in any of these places.

Haiti? Somalia? Indonesia?

If you want to adopt a philosiphy of protecting the world then protect it all, cherry picking where to go based upon the rewards available is not protecting anything it is raping vulnerable countries for their wealth under the guise of protection.

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I was quick to apologize for my recent rant against you. I won't bother to expect the same in return as I am sure it would never happen.

I actually didn't see it. I came on the next morning and the Mods pretty much erased everything. You must have had quite a time.

I don't think you will get an apology because I didn't say anything that would cause the Mods to come in with their GREEN font and go to work erasing things. Besides, you apologized to others and displayed a mocking tone at that. I didn't get an apology nor do I really care.
 

PoliticalNick

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Haiti? Somalia? Indonesia?

Haiti - Right there off the US coast, you certainly didn't want a few million refugees coming ashore so you went there to prevent it. By the way the situation still sucks there.

Somalia - Oh yeah, right up till a few of the yanks got killed and then they were gone leaving the warlords and pirates to go about their business.

Indonesia - ? Are there not US bases there and in the Philipines already.
 

EagleSmack

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Haiti - Right there off the US coast, you certainly didn't want a few million refugees coming ashore so you went there to prevent it. By the way the situation still sucks there.


So you are into moving goal posts then? You were proven wrong so you need to change up.

Somalia - Oh yeah, right up till a few of the yanks got killed and then they were gone leaving the warlords and pirates to go about their business.

And where were you folks?

Indonesia - ? Are there not US bases there and in the Philipines already.

LOL. There are no US Bases in Indonesia. Sorry Charlie.

There were bases in the Phillipines but they closed Subic Bay and Clark AFB in the 1990s.

Thanks for playing
 

PoliticalNick

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Didn't move anything...you went to Haiti with motives other than humaitarian, it was to prevent millions of Haitians form entering the US.

Don't know why we weren't in Somalia..oh, except for those working as UN peacekeepers and with the red cross.

I do have to claim ignorance about Indonesia, don't know why I don't know about it, my fault for not being aware.

And its not a game, its supossed to be an open discussion of issues.
 

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Canadian Lt. Gen. Charlie Bouchard will command the NATO military campaign over Libya, CNN has confirmed.

While I fully agree that 'democracy' of the west has failed, it isn't expected to be a direct democracy - ie. we as citizens can control the results of every issue by vote. That said, as a representative democracy, it probably also failed as most people would not have signed up for this kind of intervention at the ballot, last election.

That said, this move as one of 'compassion' is a bit short-sighted. Anyone who had really wanted to aggressively remove oppressive rule, would be fighting for intervention in Yemen right now as well. As well as Oman, Bahrain, Dijbouti, or Mauritania. But they don't really produce enough to be worth our 'compassion'.

Debate would have been a better choice than vote.There has been no debate in the house about Lybia. We are automatically obliged to carry out another nations orders. Which nation? Which banks?
 

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Debate would have been a better choice than vote.There has been no debate in the house about Lybia. We are automatically obliged to carry out another nations orders. Which nation? Which banks?

It has the UN stamp of approval, unfortunately.
 

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Didn't move anything...you went to Haiti with motives other than humaitarian, it was to prevent millions of Haitians form entering the US.

And you are really saying you aren't moving the goal posts? Is that why Canada went to Haiti?

Don't know why we weren't in Somalia..oh, except for those working as UN peacekeepers and with the red cross.

Funny... I must have missed the Canadian part of Black Hawk Down.

How did the Peacekeeping mission go? Didn't keep much PEACE there now did you?

Oh... you must have been busy with the Somali Affair.

I do have to claim ignorance about Indonesia, don't know why I don't know about it, my fault for not being aware.

It does not surprise me. Your type always fires from the hip without really checking. What does surprise is your actually admitted you were wrong in this instance.

And its not a game, its supossed to be an open discussion of issues.

An open discussion of issues? Free of personal agenda like you saying the only reason us Yanks went to Haiti was to prevent millions from coming here? We could have not gone and still prevented millions from not coming.

Canadian Lt. Gen. Charlie Bouchard will command the NATO military campaign over Libya, CNN has confirmed.

You War Mongering Oil Pirates!!!!

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Debate would have been a better choice than vote.There has been no debate in the house about Lybia. We are automatically obliged to carry out another nations orders. Which nation? Which banks?

Nah... when the UN says its ok to kill... it's ok to kill.
 

EagleSmack

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What can I say. Next week we'll be driving arround in Lybia fueled gas guzzlers and eating whatever we stole off Lybian tables. I don't like it but I can't get my taxes back and I'm murdering Lybians cuz they said something to somebody I guess

And now you have charge of the whole mission. Well not you DB, but your countryman.
 

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What does surprise is your actually admitted you were wrong in this instance.


Not a surprise to any who know me, probably surprise any who know you though, its part of what makes a good person

Nah... when the UN says its ok to kill... it's ok to kill.

Oh well, if the US and French controlled security council says its good then it must be. Gives it more credibility if they put someone else in charge of the troops who will enact their oil agengda.
 

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Not a surprise to any who know me, probably surprise any who know you though, its part of what makes a good person


You're a good person? Honestly... I haven't seen it.


Oh well, if the US and French controlled security council says its good then it must be.

So the US and France are suddenly in charge of the Security Council?

How can you actually put that out there? Are you just hoping that everyone is stupid?

Gives it more credibility if they put someone else in charge of the troops who will enact their oil agengda.

So you believe the UN Security Council appoints NATO Commanders?

Are you going to even try and get anything right today?

What country, I just quit Canada, from now on it's just me and my independent fifty acres, those ****ing stupid Canadians can kiss my arse.


Nooooope. You're Canadian. No backing out now Beaver
 

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Why is the U.S. so keen to hand over control?

There are a number of reasons according to analysts -- the potential financial burden and the fears of a public backlash at home, especially if the operation extends over a long period of time and is expensive.

"From the beginning it was always on the cards that the U.S. would come in early with its (military) specialty and then hand over control. Uncle Sam is quite entitled to step back," says Charles Heyman, senior defense analyst at ArmedForces.co.uk.

"Libya is on the fringes of Europe and the reality is that you can't expect the U.S. to pay for Europe's defense. The U.S. is under all kinds of pressure... the U.S. defense budget is sucking $712 billion from the economy every year. It is also facing pressure over its presence in Afghanistan."

Q&A: NATO's command of the no-fly zone - CNN.com


This doesn't quite strike me as a humanitarian intervention.
 

EagleSmack

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Why is the U.S. so keen to hand over control?

There are a number of reasons according to analysts -- the potential financial burden and the fears of a public backlash at home, especially if the operation extends over a long period of time and is expensive.

"From the beginning it was always on the cards that the U.S. would come in early with its (military) specialty and then hand over control. Uncle Sam is quite entitled to step back," says Charles Heyman, senior defense analyst at ArmedForces.co.uk.

"Libya is on the fringes of Europe and the reality is that you can't expect the U.S. to pay for Europe's defense. The U.S. is under all kinds of pressure... the U.S. defense budget is sucking $712 billion from the economy every year. It is also facing pressure over its presence in Afghanistan."

Q&A: NATO's command of the no-fly zone - CNN.com


This doesn't quite strike me as a humanitarian intervention.

This seems fair and balanced.
 

PoliticalNick

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Eagle - you really are a Troll aren't you? I would wonder why, as an American and staunch supporter of your coporate & bank controlled government and its illegal and unethical actions, you spend so much time on a forum titled 'Canadian Content' other than to be a Troll.

Your inflexible positions and unwillingness to discuss issues or compromise in any way reveal much about you and the type of person you are. Please do us all a big favor and re-enlist, go to Iraq, kill yourself some a-rabs.

Much like your buddy Goober it will never matter what anyone else says, or even proves, you will hold your view till the bitter end. I will be open to other opinions and willing to change. That is what makes me a good person and makes you less of a man.

Answer? :|

I would be in the first but I do try to take action. I am constantly making my views know to my representatives.
 

EagleSmack

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Eagle - you really are a Troll aren't you?

No

Next question...

I would wonder why, as an American and staunch supporter of your coporate & bank controlled government and its illegal and unethical actions, you spend so much time on a forum titled 'Canadian Content' other than to be a Troll.

I've been here for quite some time, long before you got here and will be here long after you're gone.

Your inflexible positions and unwillingness to discuss issues or compromise in any way reveal much about you and the type of person you are.

If you read some of my posts and the people I discuss things with you will realize I reach common ground with many.

MentalFloss, EAO (sometimes), Petros, LoneWolf to name a few whom I am on opoosite ends of the spectrum yet we remain civil to each other. Sure things may get heated here and there but it is all good.

Please do us all a big favor and re-enlist, go to Iraq, kill yourself some a-rabs.

Looks like the Canucks are running the show now so you best re-enlist and go kill yourself some.

Either that or go fur trapping.

Much like your buddy Goober it will never matter what anyone else says, or even proves, you will hold your view till the bitter end. I will be open to other opinions and willing to change. That is what makes me a good person and makes you less of a man.

You are not a good person nor are you a man. You think you are but you aren't. Your posts are hateful, arrogant, insulting, etc. I could go on.

But know this. I'm not going anywhere. As long as you run your trap and troll, I'll be there to combat your absurdity.