The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

[no1important]

RE: The Gun Registry Must

Gas Tax should be spent on each province that collects it accordingly

Well Martin is promising to give some back to municipalities. Which is a good thing.

Don't all provincial governments all have a gas tax as well?

What, are the Libs/NDP down in the polls?

Nope, but the cons are stuck.

 

[Colpy]

Actually, I wouldn't know about the polls.

I really try to avoid them, as they just make me nuts, and it is way too early for them to mean anything. If they ever do.

 

[no1important]

RE: The Gun Registry Must

Well, last time they were way off. You have to take them with a grain of salt. Personally I would like to see polls with more people contacted...

 

[no1important]

Alberta will reject proposed handgun ban: Klein

A teaser:

Alberta Premier Ralph Klein said his government will opt out of any plan to ban handguns.

On Thursday, Liberal Leader Paul Martin announced he would immediately introduce a handgun ban, offering narrowly defined exemptions for target shooters and allowing collectors time to sell or dispose of their weapons.

Collectors will have to sell or surrender their weapons over five years or become certified as target shooters. Martin said provinces could also opt out of the proposal.

Klein said Martin is engaged in political grandstanding and that Alberta would not participate in the plan. Banning handguns won't reduce gun crime, he added [/end of teaser}

No surprise there. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Colpy]

Alberta will reject proposed handgun ban: Klein

A teaser:

Alberta Premier Ralph Klein said his government will opt out of any plan to ban handguns.

On Thursday, Liberal Leader Paul Martin announced he would immediately introduce a handgun ban, offering narrowly defined exemptions for target shooters and allowing collectors time to sell or dispose of their weapons.

Collectors will have to sell or surrender their weapons over five years or become certified as target shooters. Martin said provinces could also opt out of the proposal.

Klein said Martin is engaged in political grandstanding and that Alberta would not participate in the plan. Banning handguns won't reduce gun crime, he added [/end of teaser}

No surprise there. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

One would assume that New Brunswick would opt out as well. Our Public Safety minister was absolutely ridiculing Martin's stance in a front page article in our local paper.

I think this would stand in Ontario and Quebec, and be ignored in the rest of the country. You might get PEI, but I doubt it.

 

[no1important]

RE: The Gun Registry Must


Martin's gun policy gets mixed review

A teaser:

B.C. Premier Gordon Campbelll offered cautious support.

"We have to be careful that we're focusing on the right things," Campbell said Thursday after speaking to a business group.

"Certainly, for me at least, it sounds like a sensible step to creating safer communities. I would want to hear from police officers across the country on how that would work."[/ end of teaser]

So BC may be in on this as well.

 

[iamcanadian]

The only thing different between a long gun and a hand gun is its length. To make a long gun small enough to conceil all you need is a hacksaw and 5 minutes. So if they keep long guns, will the ban hacksaws?

Or maybe they will prohibit, using the supercomputer technology paid for with the $2 Billion registry, the registered gun owner from buying hacksaws at harware stores across Canada via instant on-line crosschecks when the storeclerk swipes their interact cards and hacksaws is shown on the receipt?

Maybe they need to register hacksaws, because all those plumbers out there are pretty careless leaving those obviously dangerous tools lying around without proper safe storage.

 

[Grover Knight]

iamcanadian, that is the funniest thing I've read all day.

True as true can be, in accordance to Liberal thinking. They are truly the ones with the dark, hidden agenda.

 

[no1important]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

True as true can be, in accordance to Liberal thinking. They are truly the ones with the dark, hidden agenda.

How could it be a hidden agenda when Martin announces his policy on guns and handguns publicly? Sure never hurt him in the polls. Most big city residents (except Calgary) approve of this gun registry( Even Annies riding approved as they never ditched her and they had 2 chances to do so), the rural areas do not. Liberals have nothing to lose in Alberta and the big cities is where the votes and seats are.

 

[Reverend Blair]

This quote is a well known accepted fact

By who?

My, combative today, aren't we?

Not at all, I just don't accept somebody making up numbers, never giving a source, and insisting that those numbers constitute some sort of proof.

What, are the Libs/NDP down in the polls?

Up actually...which might explain the sudden influx of Conservatives here making up random numbers.

Ok then, you do better and prove that it was not corrupt

No, you made the charge. Either prove it or STFU.

Hey "REV", I own a trucking business, not just a moped.

Hey "Grover", I don't give a flying f*ck if you own a herd of sheep for your own personal amusement, a claim was made that the average Canadian spends $10,000 a year on gas taxes. There was no supporting evidence and since most Canadians don't spend that much a year on their total gas bill, it is highly unlikely that it is true.

A claim was made that CPP and EI are taxes. CPP and EI aren't taxes, they are a retirement plan and an employment insurance plan. I'm sick and tired of the dishonesty of the radical right.

Actually, I wouldn't know about the polls.

I really try to avoid them, as they just make me nuts,

Of course the polls make you nuts, they show that your party is going down the toilet.

Well, last time they were way off.

Not really. There were some that weren't released until after the election that pretty much matched the popular vote.

How could it be a hidden agenda when Martin announces his policy on guns and handguns publicly?

It couldn't be. The part of his agenda that Martin keeps hidden is the part that agrees with the Harperites, but they don't like to point that out.

 

[MMMike]

A claim was made that CPP and EI are taxes. CPP and EI aren't taxes, they are a retirement plan and an employment insurance plan. I'm sick and tired of the dishonesty of the radical right.

The moment you make these 'plans' mandatory, they become defacto taxes to support a program.

 

[iamcanadian]

The federal government has quietly increased its massive employment insurance surplus again this year, according to Auditor General Sheila Fraser.

Ottawa continues to over-charge workers and employers for EI premiums, something they’ve been doing every year for the past decade.

This year, the surplus has grown by another $2 billion—despite Liberal government promises they were going to stop overcharging us—according to the auditor general’s November report.

“The accumulated surplus in the account increased by an additional $2 billion in 2004-05 to reach $48 billion by the end of March 2005,” the report says.

Ottawa has been charging us billions more per year than they’re paying out in EI benefits, providing them with a tidy profit to spend on whatever hare-brained, flavour-of-the-month boondoggle they dream up.

They keep track of the accumulated surpluses for accounting purposes. But the money’s not sitting in an account somewhere. It’s spent.

They use it to help pay for the PM’s new jets, the gun registry and the sponsorship program, among other important expenditures.

And they have no plans to pay the money back.

The surplus keeps growing, and they just keep gouging us

http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Columnists/Brodbeck_Tom/2005/12/10/1346463.html

The Reverend B. (for bullshit) does not know how to prove a point if his aswers are STFU. So STFU if you don't know what you are talking about or not competent to prove your own point of view civily if its any different than mine.

The Gas Tax is part of the cost of living for all Canadians. $10,000 in Gas tax includes the Gas Tax passed on to everyone with the price of goods and service. Most people pay more than this but don't realize they are paying for it since transporation costs and milleage is paid on everything and then passed on in the price of everything.

Some people pay more Gas Tax than Income Tax.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The moment you make these 'plans' mandatory, they become defacto taxes to support a program.

Bullshit, MMMikey. Being self-employed, I pay into CPP voluntarily and don't don't pay into EI at all.

The Reverend B. (for bullshit) does not know how to prove a point if his aswers are STFU. So STFU if you don't know what you are talking about or not competent to prove your own point of view civily if its any different than mine.

Provide proof, or STFU, iamcanadian. You made an assertion that was wrong. You got called on it. Either prove your point or move on.

The Gas Tax is part of the cost of living for all Canadians. $10,000 in Gas tax includes the Gas Tax passed on to everyone with the price of goods and service.

Prove it. Where are you getting those numbers from? Who told you that? What are the numbers based on? You've made an outlandish claim that the average Canadian pays more in gas taxes than the average Canadian spends on gas. Either prove your claim using verifiable data, or quit making the claim.

 

[iamcanadian]

Provide proof, or STFU, iamcanadian. You made an assertion that was wrong. You got called on it. Either prove your point or move on.

No. I made an assertion which I say is correct. Unless you can prove otherwise, it is you that should be seen as wrong.

I have proven my point on the EI and Gax Tax and more or less everything else you asked for back-up on.

If you say its wrong. Back it up and then I may STFU if I can't make a better case than you may try to advance. Baldly saying I am wrong does not make me wrong. You have posted nothing of substance in your lame rebutals.

I have backed up what I have said significantly and others are testifying here to the correctness of my point of view.

I win and you lose this argument unless you post something better than I did to counter what I have expressed.

 

[Grover Knight]

Ei, Cpp are just like tax, you have no power over paying into it. Insurance is somthing that you can choose to have or not, unless it is WCB. If you have to pay, it is nothing more than glorified tax REV. You can call it what you will, but a tax is a tax. As Canadians we pay to much tax. GST is somthing that was written in as a 12 yr program, and than was to be removed. LIE, LIE, LIE. Just like Income Tax, better known as the War Measures tax. We are still paying or WW1, more LIES. I think that whenever they want to pacify us, they make up a lie, and the masses believe them. After all, we wont have to pay down the road? HA HA HA, never trust a politician.

 

[iamcanadian]

And look at CPP. Canada pension is the shitiest in the industrialized countries. Old people can live on dog food with it.

They say its under funded, yet the same people who paid CPP paid EI at the same time and that has $60 Billion surplus. But the non-elected administrators stole all that money so they can't transfer every penny to the CPP and double or tripple our old age pension so that it at least comes close to the cost of living here, like like ever other place where people retire with dignity on their governments Pension Plans.

Here we are served by a bunch of Crooked Public Administrators and all we do is complain about politicians who have no power over them.

 

[Grover Knight]

Yup, no wonder the Liberals have a fund to dip into just before election. Buy the sheep. Lets open up spending on all kinds of shit.

1.4 x the ei, on employers, over and above the employees. hmmmmm. This will give us extra money when the hurt comes along. Rev, you are so full of shit if you dont think that this is some kind of taxation. Our money to keep them in power, where have we heard that before??? hmmmmm. I dont vote Liberal, never have, never will, and they tax my ass off to keep themselves in power. Sorry, but f%#k Em.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Well...........as Andre Rieu said at the concert last night ( GM Place....Vancouver)........"let's replace each gun with a violin "....

and he has a point.

 

[zenfisher]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

Do you like democracy? Freedom? Then historically firearms have been a very good thing.

Its like this. (very much simplified) With ancient edged weapons or the Welsh long bow the man-at-arms had to be a professional. It required an immense amount of time to learn the skill, and then to keep in shape and in practise. An average man did not have the time, he was to busy trying to feed himself. Therefore the only persons capable of expertise with weapons were nobility, or their hired men at arms. Once that expertise was aquired, one man could handle many, many peasants.

It is what made the fuedal system work. There were dozens of peasant revolts in Europe, all of which failed.

Then came firearms. I can teach you to hit a man at 50 yards in an hour. In a year, without practise, you can still do it.

The industrial revolution made guns cheap. Suddenly the advantage of the nobility disappeared.

The first battle of the first successful democratic revolution was fought when British troops went into the American countryside to seize guns. They failed.

Democracy and gunpowder are parallel developments.

Now the elite want to seize our arms.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

For those that think owning an assault rifle is their right because it prevents the government from coming in and taking over I have a question. Do you really think a little peashooter is going to stop tanks and planes from rolling up to your front door or bombing your neighbourhood?

If any government really wanted to do this we would be powerless. I think we are all familliar with Czech republic circa1967/68 ( the joys of getting old...you can't remember dates) Tien Mihn Square (sp) or Kuwait photos of the tanks rolling in.
Its ludicrous to think small arms or rifles would prevent this.

This is all a shell game. To keep our attention focused on other priorities. While we are arguing or watching that...they're picking our pockets.

 

[Colpy]

It is not that small arms will prevent repression completely, it is that an armed society is impossible to repress with impunity.

Funny you should mention Tianamen Square

Mao's Red Book quoted him:

"Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun"

"An armed people can never be oppressed"

Which is, of course, why he made damned sure the Chinese were disarmed.