Not to mention, it is our right to bear arms. It is a matter of fact that I own guns. I will continue to own guns. If the government decides it wants them, fine. Than I will go and get some more guns, the kind that are more sinsiter than the .22 and other small caliber guns that I do have. Bottom line is, they can do what they want, I will still bare arms, according to the constitution. I have my C.O.R.E. and my P.A.L., what more do they want, my soul? They can whip the masses, but eventually, the masses will whip them.
The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!
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Yes and all the those people armed with pistols would have never been mowed down by tanks.
You mentioned you have known criminals that have been shot...I still have not had any sort of answer of you knowing innocent people being shot and killed or cripplied by gunshots.
You mentioned the police(in another thread) saying that stolen guns from collectors are a very small part of the illegal guns on the street. Look at it this way ...You're a cop(for the sake of argument) and you know there has been a break in at a known collector.( his guns are registered ) Doesn't that give you a little bit of a warning to proceed with a little more caution when investigating the theft, when pulling people over for the next couple of days? Registry is a tool.
Surely as a armoured vehicle guard you can see the advantage of knowing that one of your pick ups is being robbed or has been robbed before you get there.
Grover you missed the point I made entirely.
You mentioned you have known criminals that have been shot...I still have not had any sort of answer of you knowing innocent people being shot and killed or cripplied by gunshots.
You mentioned the police(in another thread) saying that stolen guns from collectors are a very small part of the illegal guns on the street. Look at it this way ...You're a cop(for the sake of argument) and you know there has been a break in at a known collector.( his guns are registered ) Doesn't that give you a little bit of a warning to proceed with a little more caution when investigating the theft, when pulling people over for the next couple of days? Registry is a tool.
Surely as a armoured vehicle guard you can see the advantage of knowing that one of your pick ups is being robbed or has been robbed before you get there.
Grover you missed the point I made entirely.
People with resolve, passion, and unity are very hard for a government to control. A little spark can burn down a whole forest.
Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!
So your in your house with your 22. there is a tank barreling straight towards you. You watch and fire as the tank comes crashing into your livingroom. Or ...your sitting in your livingroom and a plane flies over and fires a missle at your house. Does that 22 really help you from preventing the government doing what it wants?
The government has no interest in this debate.(despite what politicians say.)The government exerts more control by having a populace divided over issues. Especially issues that are targetted to specific groups." Guns...let them have guns we have tanks planes,cannons, bombs,etc. We really only want there money anyway."
Grover Knight said:
So your in your house with your 22. there is a tank barreling straight towards you. You watch and fire as the tank comes crashing into your livingroom. Or ...your sitting in your livingroom and a plane flies over and fires a missle at your house. Does that 22 really help you from preventing the government doing what it wants?
The government has no interest in this debate.(despite what politicians say.)The government exerts more control by having a populace divided over issues. Especially issues that are targetted to specific groups." Guns...let them have guns we have tanks planes,cannons, bombs,etc. We really only want there money anyway."
The reason the US constitution has the right to bear arms is because citizens must have the ability to revolt against their government and overthrough them by force as the last resort.
Without it there is no limit to how corrupt a government can become if its citizens do not have the ability to defend themselves against their own government.
The right to bear arms is the last form of defence for the people when democracy and law fails them.
Without it there is no limit to how corrupt a government can become if its citizens do not have the ability to defend themselves against their own government.
The right to bear arms is the last form of defence for the people when democracy and law fails them.
According to who? The same guy who invented the gas tax numbers?
According to what constitution? Are you a Canadian? Then you live under the Canadian constitution. You do not have the right to bear arms.
Another false claim that you won't be able to back up with fact, just like iamcanadian's tax figures.
Reverend Blair said:
Go read the Bill of Rights of 1689.
It is part of our constitution, as it is a cornerstone of English Common Law.
It recognizes not only that there is a right to bear arms, but that that is an ancient right, not one granted by government.
That is because, despite the fact I have lived in a culture saturated with guns, I don't know any innocent people shot, wounded, or killed with guns.
Which is kinda our point
So? You are still allowed to have arms.
By your interpretation we should be able to own whatever weapons we choose. I should be able to put a nuke in a silo in my backyard. I should be allowed to park a tank, loaded with depleted uranium shells, in my driveway. That's just ridiculous.
Our Government wouldn't last a month in a pitched battle against the rest of us.
Too many factors would defeat them before they even started. Their equipment failure, and the terrain would cut them to pieces, getting tanks to where I live would be interesting. They simply don't have enough men or munitions to kill us all. It would essentially turn into guerilla warfare, they would need uncle Sam to get the job done (like Canada would want that). Canadian Government wouldn't dare try. People would rather watch tv, get drunk, and enjoy life.
Oh, and the .22 is the token gun that I own, man I love that.
Too many factors would defeat them before they even started. Their equipment failure, and the terrain would cut them to pieces, getting tanks to where I live would be interesting. They simply don't have enough men or munitions to kill us all. It would essentially turn into guerilla warfare, they would need uncle Sam to get the job done (like Canada would want that). Canadian Government wouldn't dare try. People would rather watch tv, get drunk, and enjoy life.
Oh, and the .22 is the token gun that I own, man I love that.
Reverend Blair said:
No Rev, and that is a silly argument.
You have been fighting this battle with me long enough to know we are talking about personal small arms.
I have been in countries where popular armed revolution is commom. Regular citizens there have huge stashes of heavy military weapons of all kinds. They have elections to put people in, but the citizens generally have to take them out by force.
These countries are perceived to be more corrupt than Canada, but I can assure you their governments would not dare do anything close to what they do and get away with here all the time.
These countries are perceived to be more corrupt than Canada, but I can assure you their governments would not dare do anything close to what they do and get away with here all the time.
You couldn't have hit the nail more squarely on the head Canadian. You are absolutely right, the government should be more fearful of the populous. There noble/king like attitude is obnoxious.
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Don't try to shift the terms, Colpy. You said the right to bear arms. You didn't restrict it.
What if we include your sudden shift in terms though. Does that include shoulder-fired rocket launchers? How about assault weapons? Pipe bombs? Would a fertilizer bomb in a cube van be too big? What if it was just in the back of a pick-up truck?
Does securing your person mean against the perception of threat? If somebody has a knife, does that count? What about a bottle? A rock? How about if they're just going to beat you up? Can you shoot them in the head for that? Who decides? You? You've already shown a decided lack of judgement.
It's you who are making the silly argument, Colpy. If want your guaranteed under the US Constitution, then I suggest you hop in your damned car and head south.
That's the kind of country you want isn't it, iam(not)canadian. One where you get to shoot anybody in government you don't like.
If you guys are going to call for armed revolution, at least have the courage to put your real names up.
I think a lot behind the banning of guns is the fear public administrators have of the public.
They know they are getting away with murder. They have gotten bored of just taking public money at will, so they now get their jollies hurting people just for fun. Such as their subordinate employees and others they deal with daily. They are afraid that people they've abused personally over the years will someday go postal to get back at them.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Once they get bored of abusing their power over money, which is so easy for them, they move on to bigger and more exciting abuses of power, much like like drug addicts do, to get a higher high from their power mongering habits that grows on them.
They know they are getting away with murder. They have gotten bored of just taking public money at will, so they now get their jollies hurting people just for fun. Such as their subordinate employees and others they deal with daily. They are afraid that people they've abused personally over the years will someday go postal to get back at them.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Once they get bored of abusing their power over money, which is so easy for them, they move on to bigger and more exciting abuses of power, much like like drug addicts do, to get a higher high from their power mongering habits that grows on them.
Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!
I find that it's probably more of a fear of having more incompetent people with guns than those capeable of the actual responsibility. I don't want guns banned either, but there has to be a better process to keep them out of reach of children...and I mean the Adult ones.
Yes there's always the greater conspiricy of the Gov't wanting to take our guns to avoid armed revolution but the last time I checked our civil unrest is not on par with Bolivia or some other unstable country.
iamcanadian said:
I find that it's probably more of a fear of having more incompetent people with guns than those capeable of the actual responsibility. I don't want guns banned either, but there has to be a better process to keep them out of reach of children...and I mean the Adult ones.
Yes there's always the greater conspiricy of the Gov't wanting to take our guns to avoid armed revolution but the last time I checked our civil unrest is not on par with Bolivia or some other unstable country.
Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!
So to keep them out of the reach of incompetent Adult Children we banned them from everyone. I did not think it was incompetent use of fire arms people had a problem with. The people killed by accidental use of guns per year would not be worth it. More people die slipping and falling in the shower each year that accidental gun firings.
I think the energy would be better spent dircetly on those Adult Children who intentionally use guns criminally to curtail them. This is accomplished by giving them fair access to opportunities for advancement and higher education and stearing them away from gangbanging crime. If they refuse the opportunities then they are locked up.
Furthermore, you set examples from the top down, by putting thieves and others who harm people behind bars equally regardless if they use guns or not to do harm to people, white collar or black collar crime it's all crime just the same.
Jo Canadian said:
So to keep them out of the reach of incompetent Adult Children we banned them from everyone. I did not think it was incompetent use of fire arms people had a problem with. The people killed by accidental use of guns per year would not be worth it. More people die slipping and falling in the shower each year that accidental gun firings.
I think the energy would be better spent dircetly on those Adult Children who intentionally use guns criminally to curtail them. This is accomplished by giving them fair access to opportunities for advancement and higher education and stearing them away from gangbanging crime. If they refuse the opportunities then they are locked up.
Furthermore, you set examples from the top down, by putting thieves and others who harm people behind bars equally regardless if they use guns or not to do harm to people, white collar or black collar crime it's all crime just the same.
Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!
That's kind of the point I was trying to bring up. There should be more hoops to jump through in the screening process for gunowners. At least that way you can weed out those that would give into the temptation of using a gun for other means if they were to own one. The trick is, is there needs to be a nation wid e and standardized way to accomplish that. It's going to cost money of course but there has to be some sort of attempt at a solution, rather than just letting things continue the way they are.
iamcanadian said:
That's kind of the point I was trying to bring up. There should be more hoops to jump through in the screening process for gunowners. At least that way you can weed out those that would give into the temptation of using a gun for other means if they were to own one. The trick is, is there needs to be a nation wid e and standardized way to accomplish that. It's going to cost money of course but there has to be some sort of attempt at a solution, rather than just letting things continue the way they are.