Its already harder to get a gun cary or buying permit in Canada than a drivers licence. It could be relaxed considerably. We don't have and never had a careless gun use problem in Canada.
The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!
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the gun registry is useless against professional killers but it is against everday murders. How many of murders are really profesionals doing it i think very low. So when a person gets angry and lashes out and kills somone or gets drunk and kills someone then they will get caught under the gun registry but when the mafia kill a boss they will not get caught by the gun registry.
the gun registry is useless against professional killers but it is against everday murders. How many of murders are really profesionals doing it i think very low. So when a person gets angry and lashes out and kills somone or gets drunk and kills someone then they will get caught under the gun registry but when the mafia kill a boss they will not get caught by the gun registry.
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That depends where you are in Canada though. I'm sure those in the Torranna region may have different opinions than those from Yellowknife.
iamcanadian said:
That depends where you are in Canada though. I'm sure those in the Torranna region may have different opinions than those from Yellowknife.
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I don't think we have this kind of gun problem in Canada or Toronto. Poeple are using guns intentionally to kill.
You don't stop that prohibiting honest people from having guns. You may stop it the otherway if people have more guns, less attempts will be made, since they never know who is going to shoot back.
It's like the cold war measures of deterent. No one used the bonb because that other side would lanch a retalitory strike.
meitme said:
I don't think we have this kind of gun problem in Canada or Toronto. Poeple are using guns intentionally to kill.
You don't stop that prohibiting honest people from having guns. You may stop it the otherway if people have more guns, less attempts will be made, since they never know who is going to shoot back.
It's like the cold war measures of deterent. No one used the bonb because that other side would lanch a retalitory strike.
Funny...I don't recall having to take a road test to get an FAC.
Yeah, and that senior citizen never got shot doing her gardening outside of North Bay a few years ago. That guy in Dauphin never shot his friend with a shotgun while they were testing out a bullet proof vest. Nobody here ever jacks deer or hunts out of season.
We've always had a careless use problem. We always will too, because a lot of people are morons. Licensing, registration, and related training courses do help to reduce careless use though.
Communist (CCCP/NDP) running things would be a total Joke. Look at the Glen Clark regime, ha ha ha. We dont have much to worry about though, the polls explain everything. The NDP is a bottom of the barrel, sucker fish party. The Leftist (Liberal/NDP) circle jerkers can yak all they want, there day is numbered. A stong right wing party will raise itself to power soon enough. A common sense party that will get the job done, and get away from all the nambi-pambi issues that really have no bearing on life in general. Lets get some work done and quit sitting around in limbo, cry babying over social problems. (non existant social problems)
Reverend Blair said:
A lot more people are killed by careless use of Cars. You don't see making Car licenses harder to get in response, do you?
There are more guns that cars in Canada. You make it sound like the million of guns in canada kill more people from careless use than careless driving does.
Remember Rev, people kill people, knives, bats, guns, shovels, etc etc, guns dont just shoot themselves. Maybe we should register everything in our homes. Hell, I hear that a sock with a bar of soap is a great weapon, maybe register all our socks and lock up our soap. Maybe we should just lock everyone up so nobody gets hurt. I mean, we are just all hell bent on killing people moron. Maybe we should register cigarettes, and booze. Second Hand smoke kills, so does drunk drivers. If sombody is going to kill sombody, they will, end of topic. I am tired of government passing law after law on restrictions, how we can live, what we can do.
Yes, actually. Several provinces have placed additional restrictions on getting a license in the last few years. We've also seen the drinking and driving laws tightened up.
You guys will never convince the Rev about guns give it up :lol: :lol: I guess we should outlaw bats ,knives, pointed sticks all can be used to kill people 
We need more goverment regulation not less spend more of our tax money .I mean the goverment knows whats best for us :roll:
We need more goverment regulation not less spend more of our tax money .I mean the goverment knows whats best for us :roll:Colpy said:
You don't live in a culture saturated by guns...I do. When I lived in Canada I can say that I only new of two person shots and killed. One in a hunting accident, the other was my cousins partner(He was a cop). I lived in Canada close to 40 years. I've lived here just over five. I've lost coworkers and friends. They have corded off our street to search for a gun used in a driveby. I have met those that have been wounded. Many of these people cannot find jobs. That throws them onto government assistance. I've seen the affects. I want the government to be able to track where guns are. They don't need to ttake them from you the goverment has far more effective weapons at their disposal if they want to take your rights away. most of them wear three piece suitsnot the cheap kind and they are not armed.
Sorry, I've been away for a bit so I didn't have time to answer the posts. The Rev (as he often does) posted what would have answered about the American revolution to debunk all the gun-nuts who think a few handgun-toting rebels defeated the British Army with no help.
The Shah left, not because his army was outgunned by some camo-wearing survivalists with handguns, but because of massive strikes and demonstrations, coupled with defection the the Shiite side of many in the military.
Castro obtained training and weapons from Mexico and South America.
Point is, in any cases where revolutions against government power have been successful, the rebels have obtained significant support from other countries or from important breakaway segments of the country's armed forces.
This business about handguns being a hedge against government repression is frankly laughable in every country I can think of.
Realistically, a cache of automatic weapons and explosives is a minimum requirement, and frankly, putting these things in the hands of young boys whose view of war is naive enough to think they can overthrow the government with a handful of weapons is worse than the alternative, which is to organize massive civil disobedience in the tradition of Ghandi and King.
True, getting killed in a gun battle is more dramatic, manly and way less scary than presenting yourself as a non-violent resistor who can be tortured, incarcerated, or killed, but it's the only option available to adults who want to defeat repression and who don't have an army on their side.
Before things come to that, however, instead of allowing yahoos to stockpile weapons, we'd be better off trying to work within our (admittedly broken almost-beyond-repair) political system.
That being said, the Martin plan is a tax-grab, a do-nothing Liberal election ploy whose sole purpose is to garner votes and waste money while feigning the appearance of giving a damn about our safety.
The Shah left, not because his army was outgunned by some camo-wearing survivalists with handguns, but because of massive strikes and demonstrations, coupled with defection the the Shiite side of many in the military.
Castro obtained training and weapons from Mexico and South America.
Point is, in any cases where revolutions against government power have been successful, the rebels have obtained significant support from other countries or from important breakaway segments of the country's armed forces.
This business about handguns being a hedge against government repression is frankly laughable in every country I can think of.
Realistically, a cache of automatic weapons and explosives is a minimum requirement, and frankly, putting these things in the hands of young boys whose view of war is naive enough to think they can overthrow the government with a handful of weapons is worse than the alternative, which is to organize massive civil disobedience in the tradition of Ghandi and King.
True, getting killed in a gun battle is more dramatic, manly and way less scary than presenting yourself as a non-violent resistor who can be tortured, incarcerated, or killed, but it's the only option available to adults who want to defeat repression and who don't have an army on their side.
Before things come to that, however, instead of allowing yahoos to stockpile weapons, we'd be better off trying to work within our (admittedly broken almost-beyond-repair) political system.
That being said, the Martin plan is a tax-grab, a do-nothing Liberal election ploy whose sole purpose is to garner votes and waste money while feigning the appearance of giving a damn about our safety.
Back to the topic:
The gun registry was not necessary and does nothing but give an excuse for adminstrators to waste public money.
Like the thread in other posts the government needed an excuse to spend money because the money was there, it got the budget approved and then milked it for all they could.
Government needs to be controlled by limiting the services it provides. They are on a perpetual make work project.
The gun registry was not necessary and does nothing but give an excuse for adminstrators to waste public money.
Like the thread in other posts the government needed an excuse to spend money because the money was there, it got the budget approved and then milked it for all they could.
Government needs to be controlled by limiting the services it provides. They are on a perpetual make work project.
I am sorry to hear about the violence in Seattle. I have heard before it can be a rough city.
But yes, I do live in a culture saturated with guns. Anybody that wants a gun here can get one with ease, and I mean an illegal one, unregistered and all. Among my own personal circle of friends, co-workers and family, there are easily two guns per person.
Yet I only know one guy killed with a gun, and that was 30+ years ago. Discounting suicide, of which I know a couple of gun deaths.
American society is simply, for some reason, more violent than ours. I mean, proportionally, Americans kill as many people with fists, rocks, knives, etc as Canadians kill with all weapons including our many guns.
I can't explain it.
That's simple....it is the ease and proliferation of guns down here. That still skirts the issue of the real cost of having a society where guns are easily obtainable. It skirts the issue of (when used properly) how a registry can help keep some of the guns off the street. Its not a fix all situation, its not meant to be, but it helps.
You also have not explained how a gun is going to prevent any government from imposing their will on the populace. A gun is virtually useless against a tank. Completely useless against air attacks. If a government wants to take over a gun will just not be enough.
You also have not explained how a gun is going to prevent any government from imposing their will on the populace. A gun is virtually useless against a tank. Completely useless against air attacks. If a government wants to take over a gun will just not be enough.
The only serious way to make a gun registry work is to register the weapons,along with it's characteristics ,is right at the manufacturers. Every gun has a signature of sorts, and by registering them before they are sold,would give law enforcement the ability to match crime with the weapons used. Of course,the seller would have to keep better records..and there is still the problem of unregistered guns!
Guns are a way of life for a lot of people, people who enjoy hunting and other gun related activety. Lets just say that in Northern Alberta, I've heard that they dont even care if you have an P.A.L. (F.A.C.) They just give you the gun you wish to buy, and the ammo neccessary. This is out of a wholesale store!! I know people that have had this happen. "We do not believe in that thing (PAL), put it away." You know, this is good old wild west, Conservative, relaxed living. The federal government pumps out law after law, and the Albertans sit back, have a beer, and hand out guns under the table. Liberal politics is pissed on openly, to tell the truth, you can walk away with anything from a .50 Caliber rifle, to a .38 special. From this I gain that the Liberals are really a toothless shadow government, in a lot of the rural west, people will keep on living the way they have for 100's of years. Quite frankly I could care less, half these people are more interested in shooting beer bottles, and deer for the winter, than shooting anyone, except maybe a Liberal politician The Liberals keep passing legislation after law, after law to govern every fiber of society. To them I say, "F@#K OFF!!", we aren't children, we dont need to have every aspect of our lives controlled. Just another case of them alienating Alberta.
The Liberals keep passing legislation after law, after law to govern every fiber of society. To them I say, "F@#K OFF!!", we aren't children, we dont need to have every aspect of our lives controlled. Just another case of them alienating Alberta.There's a testament to reponsible firearm ownership. :roll:
You're not in favour of banning firearms, are you, 'cause your making a case for banning them at least in Alberta.