No problem, both Canada and the United States have improved the standard of living for the poor through good socialist programes. see Howard Zinn:wave:
The Failings of the Modern Left
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No problem, both Canada and the United States have improved the standard of living for the poor through good socialist programes. see Howard Zinn:wave:
Well ITN, I think I see perfectly well..."things in and of themselves..."
Isn't it the credo of America that if you can't win their hearts and minds you kill them...see Vietnam or any of a dozen conflicts proceeding out of America under the banner of greed...
Things "in and of themselves" is exactly what makes the argument you pose illogical and disingenuous..
You'll blame or heap scorn on the left because they didn't protest....while you rally the slaughter of millions to your "right".... A man who does nothing is contemptible when circumstances demand that something be done....just as contemptible as a man or a vague political entity called the "right" waging terrorism and war all over this planet since the end of WWII and engendering the scorn hatred and contempt of the world for its actions....
Tell Bear how it's your conviction that Kuwaitis "need" protection (because they have oil) while Rwandans can die in droves because they have nothing you need...tell Bear how it's perfectly OK for you and your fellow Americans to hand Saddam Hussein weapons and technology to kill millions of Iranians then turn around and call Saddam Hussein a monster...tell Bear that it's morally correct to exterminate Japanese families in their homes by burning them to death by the hundreds of thousands..of course you can always say.. "it saved millions of live"... without even a scintilla of proof to back that conjecture...
Morality...the right....an oxymoron if there ever was one...
Isn't it the credo of America that if you can't win their hearts and minds you kill them...see Vietnam or any of a dozen conflicts proceeding out of America under the banner of greed...
Things "in and of themselves" is exactly what makes the argument you pose illogical and disingenuous..
You'll blame or heap scorn on the left because they didn't protest....while you rally the slaughter of millions to your "right".... A man who does nothing is contemptible when circumstances demand that something be done....just as contemptible as a man or a vague political entity called the "right" waging terrorism and war all over this planet since the end of WWII and engendering the scorn hatred and contempt of the world for its actions....
Tell Bear how it's your conviction that Kuwaitis "need" protection (because they have oil) while Rwandans can die in droves because they have nothing you need...tell Bear how it's perfectly OK for you and your fellow Americans to hand Saddam Hussein weapons and technology to kill millions of Iranians then turn around and call Saddam Hussein a monster...tell Bear that it's morally correct to exterminate Japanese families in their homes by burning them to death by the hundreds of thousands..of course you can always say.. "it saved millions of live"... without even a scintilla of proof to back that conjecture...
Morality...the right....an oxymoron if there ever was one...
Thanks for your reply. Every post you seem to make in this thread further solidifies ny beliefs.
You smeared yourself, if you are unaware of the origins of terms perhaps you're also unaware of much of the rest of the rightisms you entertain.:wave:
Okay, Mr. Hive-Mind, now get out there and protest Wal-MArt and show me how YOU somehow have cornered the market on "compassion"... you've saved me a LOT of trouble too, cos I always wasted time paying attention and forming my own opinions, since I am a lowly human and NOT part of the "hive-mind" like YOU and your friends are, I now see that what seemd like thought was just an illusion to placate my otherwise totally empty existence.. SWEEEEET!
Sorry MikeyDB, but you are becoming more and more irrleveant. Especially since reading one of your posts claiming Greeks had slaves, hence their morality was misguided.
Here's a hint Mikey, viewing history with a contemporary eye, is moronic. It doesn't show even a remote glimpse of critical thought.
Tsk Tsk.
He has no need to tell me anything. I know where ITN stands on all the issues he sited. If you look in those threads that helped you come to your conclusions of ITN, you will note that my participation was limited at best. I read along to learn, and have still not formulated an opinion.
I do not blindly follow anyone or anything Mikey, I thought you had learned that of me by now. I do not fully agree with the actions of the American Government and have made that quite clear several times. I believe "Manifest Destiny" is still being forced on the globe, by the power and money hungry puppet masters of the American Empire. But that does not excuse the hypocrcacy of the lefts agenda. That agenda is to merely tople the powers that be, only to replace it with another repressive regime, caled socialism. It has failed the world over. Lets all sit back and watch it do it again in Venezuela. I supported Hugo, but now he's going to far, he's trying to enact laws effectively turning him into a dictator. So tell me again how socialism works out for the poor?
That's what I like to see from the right, dumbfounded silence.:wave::laughing7::laughing7::laughing7:
I haven't perched myself on a mantle of morality speaking down on everybody else.
That's the staple of the left. Isn't morality the core belief of the left? They're the ones that are supposed to be more "aware" and more "tolerant".
I don't do marches, especially since I have stock in Wal-Mart. :wave:
Still ignoring the premice are we, go to see you have nothing to offer. I'm as right as Stephon Dion.
Hey Mikey, don't argue with the Hive Mind, why not come by my place and we can smash pop bottles on my front step for a while and let the Supreme Intelligence take care of stuff for us (the terms "hive mind" and "supreme intelligence" are intended as jokes BTW, just a little bonus for Marvel fans of yore)
You can come too, DB, and if you others feel like slumming with the humanoids, come along too
You can come too, DB, and if you others feel like slumming with the humanoids, come along too
Curiosity, I didn't realize you were still in here too, you can come but bring some extra bottles if you could, I will run out fast at this rate
I think you miss the point mabudon.Hey Mikey, don't argue with the Hive Mind, why not come by my place and we can smash pop bottles on my front step for a while and let the Supreme Intelligence take care of stuff for us (the terms "hive mind" and "supreme intelligence" are intended as jokes BTW, just a little bonus for Marvel fans of yore)
You can come too, DB, and if you others feel like slumming with the humanoids, come along too
The point as far as I can tell, is the hypocracy of protesting action, beit right or wrong, while ignoring vile acts, of equal or greater detriment. And as it seems that protests always seem to be by leftist movements, the focus falls on them. Doubling this hypocracy, is the fact that no one on the lefts platform seems to have any real policy to deal with the issues other then to point out the wrongs comminted by the percieved right.
btw, if I can bring my BB gun, I'll come over and we can take turns shootin' bottles!!!
Well since my political compass puts me in the left camp, I guess I ought to try to explain myself in this tangled mess.
Seems to me that the left is being held to a higher standard in this case. And for what? Perhaps because we're not so different from the right, we go on about our lives, and occasionally speak out against some of the current events. I'm not sure that all of the people on the left have the time, or for that matter wish to parade around dictating which regimes need to be ousted, or replaced with a more favourable brand of democracy, at least anymore than the right spectrum.
Seems we all agree on the mess only we differ on where to go from here. Looking back with shoulda and coulda and I told you so's. It's so polar, as if the true morality is defined as -3 or +3 on some wacky Z curve of what is true and just.
Does anyone here have the answer, the silver bullet as it were? No.
Perhaps I'm not the best person to ask on this subject, maybe it's directed more towards extreme lefties.
Seems to me that the left is being held to a higher standard in this case. And for what? Perhaps because we're not so different from the right, we go on about our lives, and occasionally speak out against some of the current events. I'm not sure that all of the people on the left have the time, or for that matter wish to parade around dictating which regimes need to be ousted, or replaced with a more favourable brand of democracy, at least anymore than the right spectrum.
Seems we all agree on the mess only we differ on where to go from here. Looking back with shoulda and coulda and I told you so's. It's so polar, as if the true morality is defined as -3 or +3 on some wacky Z curve of what is true and just.
Does anyone here have the answer, the silver bullet as it were? No.
Perhaps I'm not the best person to ask on this subject, maybe it's directed more towards extreme lefties.
Where you stand
Bear
It’s traitorous to sucumb to the credo of the “big stick”…
Your “Mohawk warrior” chant complete with postulations inviting fear at the potential for armed aggression against those who’ve taken something you think belongs to you forever… BIG STICK MENTALITY
Embracing the wealthy right’s need to prosecute war on the primitive and the impoversished….perhaps that’s the way natives think….
Do natives really endorse the philosophy that profits from bananas and sugar cane legitimize years of war and poverty? Do natives expect that the white man (and particularly the “right”) have any interest in honoring contracts made with them?
Think NAFTA think Boundary Waters agreement think billions spent anually on a war machine ostensibly built for defence…..
You climb on board that “right” engine and you undermine your humanity and the cause you pretend to stand for…
Those of the “right” since we’re all throwing around this whitewash, prefer success even if it means destroying the planet toachieve that success…
Maybe you can cut a deal with your American friends for some APC’s or claymores….killing seems to be your preferred solution…very American that…
McCarthy Nixon Johnson, ITN’s heroes all supported the “kill em all and let God sort em out” diplomacy of the wealthy right.
Those greener pastures you think you’ll find in endorsing the “right” don’t exist….
To deny your humanity by getting into line behind the Planet Killers…is that something you learned at a lodge meeting….
Bear
It’s traitorous to sucumb to the credo of the “big stick”…
Your “Mohawk warrior” chant complete with postulations inviting fear at the potential for armed aggression against those who’ve taken something you think belongs to you forever… BIG STICK MENTALITY
Embracing the wealthy right’s need to prosecute war on the primitive and the impoversished….perhaps that’s the way natives think….
Do natives really endorse the philosophy that profits from bananas and sugar cane legitimize years of war and poverty? Do natives expect that the white man (and particularly the “right”) have any interest in honoring contracts made with them?
Think NAFTA think Boundary Waters agreement think billions spent anually on a war machine ostensibly built for defence…..
You climb on board that “right” engine and you undermine your humanity and the cause you pretend to stand for…
Those of the “right” since we’re all throwing around this whitewash, prefer success even if it means destroying the planet toachieve that success…
Maybe you can cut a deal with your American friends for some APC’s or claymores….killing seems to be your preferred solution…very American that…
McCarthy Nixon Johnson, ITN’s heroes all supported the “kill em all and let God sort em out” diplomacy of the wealthy right.
Those greener pastures you think you’ll find in endorsing the “right” don’t exist….
To deny your humanity by getting into line behind the Planet Killers…is that something you learned at a lodge meeting….