The Failings of the Modern Left
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Oooo, a personal jab. ITN the war criminal. I'm quite sure I ponder the questions of morality in my sleep more than you do when you're awake.
The wealthy right? :laughing7:
You mean like Castro? Kim Jong Il? Chomsky? :laughing7:
People that get rich feeding you socialist bull****? :laughing7:
Dream on. :wave:
Iraq was a lie, Vietnam was a lie, the list of America's lies is longer than time and space permit.
Hey I thought you'd be out burning up some gasoline....
True enough, I do sucumb to the "big stick" mentallity, but as you know fulwell, I do not support violence as a form of protest. But I stand and will fight for what "is" ours. I use words and facts, but if push comes to shove, this Bear is large enough and unhinged enough to inflict serious damage. So beit. That does not make me a member of the neo con machine.
No and you know that is not how I think.
No and as you know, I have posted the history on that little time period and the fact that I think it was criminal. We feel that the only way we will have our contracts honoured, is if we protest loudly. That seems to be the only way anyone will hear our case.
I do think of such things, as you are well aware, it doesn't change the fact that the left is as or in some cases, more morally bankrupt then the right.
No I fell in line with ITN on exposing the vile hypocracy of the lefts swing in the wind mentality.
No arguements from me, on that.
No deals, they were bought from a surplus military dealer and from what I have been told and seen, retro fitted with weapons. Just getting ready for Kebecs seperation. If you are referring to the communications between Native leaders and the US government over the Seaway, Ok, I believe we have made a deal or two to expand and get consession, if we assist the US.
In frustration, I do to at times feel the same way.
I'll stick with my beliefs in the Hunting Grounds at the end of my tour here. I endorse only those that see through the minucia and call the pots and kettles black. As do I.
I haven't gotten behind anybody, but ITN and his quest to expose the hypocracy in the left elitists agenda and moral bankruptcy. As I have done with you on attacking the rights corruption and corporate greed. You fail to realize, that just because I support ITN and his post, that I do not sell out my values. I am neither right nor left, I am me. I am a Native, yet I can highlight the corruption in my community. I try to not let my biases jade or sway my view of facts and truths.
The truth is, both right and left are morally bankrupt, if anyone wants to jump up the "right's" ass, go ahead and start a thread, this one is to jump up the "letf's". Defend the "left" in you want, but sitting and pointing fingures while crying out "YA, well you did this and that and this and so on!" in as counter productive and irrelavent as pointing out the meaning of an antiquated saying. It's just more hyperbol, which as of late, you have been above. I would hope you would stay well above it, I have grown to respect your views. I would hope that you could respect mine, as I have laid them out.
I'm quite sure that you ponder everything in a troubled dream state. Virtually nothing you say indicates you're awake.:laughing7:
Still nothing contructive.
You perpetuate the stereotype put forth by ITN, good work. You should be on the "rights" payroll!
Next?
How dare you use electricity! You're destroying the ozone!
Every nation has a list of lies, leftists included.
And your outdated "neo-Marxist" explanation about Bear's so-called traitorious mind-set demonstrates, once again, the Left's holier-than-thou attitude and proclivity to talk down to people, telling them what is in their best interests.
My apologies for irritating so many leftists here......I guess it's payback for me by being irritated at the do nothing of so many leftists these days... as if they frozen in time unable to make decisions for fear of being disliked.
My question is why the people who guard their socialist politics so well with argument and rhetorical
backlash, never posit anything to offer as a legitimate solution to the problems we all have - whether stemming from the left or right ideologies. We are spouting politics instead of humanitarian rights.
We are still killing each other ... only now lawmakers order those deeds.... not kings.... and we are happily fighting away about who's on first instead of offering some good ideas to celebrate the last
and final attack by anyone on another nation.
We are still barbaric then for all of our advances?
MikeyDB unclear re your assertion to my "position" and "price"....therefore cannot address it. Perhaps that is best - it didn't sound very good.
My question is why the people who guard their socialist politics so well with argument and rhetorical
backlash, never posit anything to offer as a legitimate solution to the problems we all have - whether stemming from the left or right ideologies. We are spouting politics instead of humanitarian rights.
We are still killing each other ... only now lawmakers order those deeds.... not kings.... and we are happily fighting away about who's on first instead of offering some good ideas to celebrate the last
and final attack by anyone on another nation.
We are still barbaric then for all of our advances?
MikeyDB unclear re your assertion to my "position" and "price"....therefore cannot address it. Perhaps that is best - it didn't sound very good.
Fer krisake Curiosity
Your champion ITN has already explained that America saved our socialist medicare system... I understand you prefer the pay as you die philosophy of healthcare for dollars...
And most of this bullwash about socialism and lefitist disdain is hypocrisy of the purest kind...
Don't pay your taxes, don't fund educaction don't invest in your military don't pretend that the system of economics undergirding the great America way of life isn't critically dependent on social investments.... You think that Americans aren't socialist.....
If you think that America is better off in the hands of Neocons like ITN then swell.... What the rest of the world should do and will perhaps do is declare open season on America and Americans...
It's America that sets the example for the world....
Your champion ITN has already explained that America saved our socialist medicare system... I understand you prefer the pay as you die philosophy of healthcare for dollars...
And most of this bullwash about socialism and lefitist disdain is hypocrisy of the purest kind...
Don't pay your taxes, don't fund educaction don't invest in your military don't pretend that the system of economics undergirding the great America way of life isn't critically dependent on social investments.... You think that Americans aren't socialist.....
If you think that America is better off in the hands of Neocons like ITN then swell.... What the rest of the world should do and will perhaps do is declare open season on America and Americans...
It's America that sets the example for the world....
Well maybe when they finally get rid of you they'll keep me in mind. And by the way communism is an extension and modification of global indiginous community. Your involvment in your community of brothers and sisters is most often characterized by scocialist thinking.Most indiginous struggles for justice are conducted from the left perspective and not from the right which historically and to this day persue the policy of cultural genocide. :wave:
MikeyDB
You got all of that from my appreciation of a new expression: "Hive mind"????
ITN is a champion of mine because he posits great questions, argues well without being cruel, and
has some opinions with which I am in direct opposition..... but as a forum-mate I value his presence here. I'm here to learn and see all points of view.... believing now and forever more... mine are up for change...alteration and if necessary throwing away entirely.
It isn't all about "America" either - I see the leftist movement in Europe, Britain, Canada as being non-productive and creating a people who are unable to move independently without permission through a myriad of bureaucracies which
are hugely expensive when that money could be doing active work..... liberalism is way too passive these days... and I think there is too little time for passivity any more.
That is how I view the "hive mind" huddling and buzzing with hive-mates, never looking beyond the honey to sate.
Perhaps you're correct, we are spouting politics instead of human rights. So begin the disscussion. What's your position with respect to humanitarian thought and progress in this and the last century?:wave:
No more war to start
Money which is actively used to build weaponry for aggression or defense should be put into methods of trade and economic progress to ensure that no nation is underfed, underhoused, undereducated and those countries should employ the young who would have been absorbed by the military, to travel
to nations in need to rebuild, to teach how to become self-sustaining, agriculture, building, health resources, manufacturing, electronics, etc. etc.
One world order keepers - not the United Nations for they are a representative failure of what our present world has become - but the best minds, the corporate minds, the humanitarians, religious leaders, scientists, from all nations... not to meet but to submit audio/video displays which are
beamed into our homes and community buildings and schools so that all people of all nations see and hear the future plans being drawn up for the betterment of mankind.
There will always be crime, so we must have law enforcement but that should be the ultimate in people control.
That's a start.
Money which is actively used to build weaponry for aggression or defense should be put into methods of trade and economic progress to ensure that no nation is underfed, underhoused, undereducated and those countries should employ the young who would have been absorbed by the military, to travel
to nations in need to rebuild, to teach how to become self-sustaining, agriculture, building, health resources, manufacturing, electronics, etc. etc.
One world order keepers - not the United Nations for they are a representative failure of what our present world has become - but the best minds, the corporate minds, the humanitarians, religious leaders, scientists, from all nations... not to meet but to submit audio/video displays which are
beamed into our homes and community buildings and schools so that all people of all nations see and hear the future plans being drawn up for the betterment of mankind.
There will always be crime, so we must have law enforcement but that should be the ultimate in people control.
That's a start.
Wow, finally a contribution, albeit flawed and mis-informed.
First off, I'm as much of a "right" winger as you are butter bisquit.
I fully understand the communal ideology of my forefathers and respect its benefits. Unfortunetly it was a democracy, in fact it is stil a democracy and the longest surviving participatory democracy in history.
I guess it's from this communal ancestry that I find the inherrent values in such socialist programs as Healthcare, Education, Welfare and so on. Hence my continuous proclamation of not being a "right" winger as many of the un-informed fail to grasp.
As I have stated several times, I do not follow in line with all ITN believes, but it is his right to believe it. I do however see his point on the "leftist" BS and hypocracy. He gets my full support for his examination of it and I fully concure, it exists, as I would stated had this thread been about the corruption and corporate greed found within the "neo-con" movement.
This is the diffining factor, between critical thought and aping a party agenda(thanx go to ITN for explaining the benefits of critical thought). I hold no one particular party sacred, but hold them all to a candle. As a member of the Six Nations I have a bias in defence of my people, but I can see past my blood and expose the corruption and criminality in my community, that is critical thought, I see past my biases, for the betterment of my community as a whole. But I do not blindly criticize, I have participated in the evolution of cleaning and change, via writing and personal action. I have offered up solutions, I do not merely bleat along with the masses of sheeple, in the movement to topple a regime, seen as evil, without offering some form of alternative. I use logic and reason to measure move and counter move, a failing in the ideology of the leftist elitest.
I have also put my ass in the grass to defend peoples rights to freedom and safety. Giving them the right to pick and choose what they will or will not protest. Another failing in the leftest elitest.
MikeyDB
I see Neocon used often - especially on Canadian forums.
I have no idea what it means and because it seems a defeating pejorative, I resist finding out what it is.
I see Neocon used often - especially on Canadian forums.
I have no idea what it means and because it seems a defeating pejorative, I resist finding out what it is.