The Entitlement Mentality

[Machjo]

Many of our problems are a direct result of government intervention in the work place. There are a multitude of areas where this happens to our detriment. First we have multiple overlaping jurisdictions which lead to turf wars where money bets squandered in the bureaucracy but little is accomplished. Education, being a provincial jurisdiction does not lend itself to changes in employment trends. Even at higher levels there is a mishmash of rules and old boys clubs that inhibit mobility. An easy example is a doctor trained in BC not being able to go to Ontario without writing another exam there. Same goes with trades outside of interprovincial TQs.

I think the EU has got it right on that point. EUministries of education or other applicable departments have established common standards for various trades and professions. If they can do it between nations, why can't we do it between provinces?

Incompetence.

 

[taxslave]

I think the EU has got it right on that point. EUministries of education or other applicable departments have established common standards for various trades and professions. If they can do it between nations, why can't we do it between provinces?

Incompetence.

It is not incompetence, rather a deliberate process to keep as many useless bureaucraps as possible employed.

 

[JLM]

so you are okey dokey with paying their welfare to subsidize their income so they can actually eat and go to hospital when ill...good man JLM... I'm not okay with that.

How about a different solution? Find a higher paying job or upgrade your skills so you are in demand for a higher paying job? I think the onus is on the employee to make him/herself suitable for work! Or is that old fashioned thinking? -

 

[Sal]

How about a different solution? Find a higher paying job or upgrade your skills so you are in demand for a higher paying job? I think the onus is on the employee to make him/herself suitable for work! Or is that old fashioned thinking? -

JLM I don't think you read the article my dear. That's how Walmart and MacDonald's work. They have a company hotline to assist you. So they pay you p iss poor wages and then help you to get welfare so you can actually survive. That's what the discussion is about. I take issue with them making a profit while I feed their employees. It's corporate welfare. I don't like that. I also believe it to be unethical to pay your shareholders and treat your employees like dirt.

Also regarding the upgrade to your skills, this isn't like the old days. Grade 12 is a necessity or you can't work on a factory line...thus Walmart has you.

In the Southern States just to give you a quick for instance...Toyota was thinking of opening a plant. They changed their mind when they researched it and found they would have to train the average worker with pictorials because of the literacy problem. Now tell me, how does one upgrade their skills when one is illiterate. Are you just going to let people die? Of course not.

 

[Machjo]

How about a different solution? Find a higher paying job or upgrade your skills so you are in demand for a higher paying job? I think the onus is on the employee to make him/herself suitable for work! Or is that old fashioned thinking? -

To be fair, you need food, clothing, shelter before you can start to improve yourself. You can't expect a person to pull himself up by his bootstraps when he has no booked and is walking through the mud in bare bloody feet.

That said, minimum wage is not the solution either.

JLM I don't think you read the article my dear. That's how Walmart and MacDonald's work. They have a company hotline to assist you. So they pay you p iss poor wages and then help you to get welfare so you can actually survive. That's what the discussion is about. I take issue with them making a profit while I feed their employees. It's corporate welfare. I don't like that. I also believe it to be unethical to pay your shareholders and treat your employees like dirt.

Also regarding the upgrade to your skills, this isn't like the old days. Grade 12 is a necessity or you can't work on a factory line...thus Walmart has you.

In the Southern States just to give you a quick for instance...Toyota was thinking of opening a plant. They changed their mind when they researched it and found they would have to train the average worker with pictorials because of the literacy problem. Now tell me, how does one upgrade their skills when one is illiterate. Are you just going to let people die? Of course not.

I totally agree that we should not subsidize workers since then we are not giving them any incentive to upgrade themselves and employers to pay them more.

Anyone earning less than a certain amount should be allowed to apply for government-funded education in some trade or profession. That way, if employers want to put an end to the constant turnover of workers leaving, they have the choice of paying more, and if workers want higher waged, they have the option of applying to further their education.

 

[Sal]

To be fair, you need food, clothing, shelter before you can start to improve yourself. You can't expect a person to pull himself up by his bootstraps when he has no booked and is walking through the mud in bare bloody feet.

That said, minimum wage is not the solution either.



I totally agree that we should not subsidize workers since then we are not giving them any incentive to upgrade themselves and employers to pay them more.

Anyone earning less than a certain amount should be allowed to apply for government-funded education in some trade or profession. That way, if employers want to put an end to the constant turnover of workers leaving, they have the choice of paying more, and if workers want higher waged, they have the option of applying to further their education.

the other thing we have to examine is, will there always be a certain percentage of the tribe who are just unable to keep pace with a working environment...I say yes.

That is reality and the percentage will grow as we become more and more technically advanced...then we may reach a level where we can employ a larger percentage of the population because we become soooo technically advanced.

But there will always be those who just can't work.

 

[Machjo]

Sal, as for those who just can't work, disability security should be reasonably generous no doubt. As for the rest, it must be a hand up not a hand out.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Sal, as for those who just can't work, disability security should be reasonably generous no doubt. As for the rest, it must be a hand up not a hand out.

How 'bout a slap in the face?

 

[Machjo]

How 'bout a slap in the face?

Why waste valuable calories like that?

 

[Sal]

Sal, as for those who just can't work, disability security should be reasonably generous no doubt. As for the rest, it must be a hand up not a hand out.

I agree, the problem is, what is employable to an employer and the government can vary... there needs to be a standard and support meaning a "plan" for those who can and it shouldn't be just a sharp stick

also our literacy rate in Canada isn't too bad...considering

Key Messages

• Canada gets a “B” and ranks 4th out of 13 countries on the percentage of adults scoring high on adult literacy rate tests.
• Between 1994 and 2003, the proportion of Canadian adults with high literacy skills fell from 24 per cent to 20 per cent.
• Literacy skills erode if they are not used. Adults must engage in formal or informal lifelong learning to maintain their skills.

Putting the adult literacy rate in context


The results of international adult literacy surveys dispel the old notion that individuals are either literate or illiterate. There is no arbitrary standard distinguishing adults who have or do not have skills. Instead, skills are defined along a continuum of proficiency that can be used to denote how well adults use information to function in society and the economy.1 Adult literacy survey results show a strong link between literacy and a country’s economic potential.


Adult literacy rate high-level skills - Canada and world results

 

[JLM]

JLM I don't think you read the article my dear. That's how Walmart and MacDonald's work. They have a company hotline to assist you. .

Are you talking about that video where the guy spends the first 3 minutes telling us how what he is about to tell us is the most important secret of our lives and if we don't pay attention we'll all be dead in 16 months, blah, blah, blah, blah? I persevered until I got to the part about the U.S. Federal Reserve and the U.S. Gov't. and then I deep sixed it, like I do when a guy swears on a stack of Bibles he's telling the truth. -
We're interested in what Walmart and McDonalds do in Canada. Shouldn't we be able to get that information from our M.P.?

I agree, the problem is, what is employable to an employer and the government can vary... there needs to be a standard and support meaning a "plan" for those who can and it shouldn't be just a sharp stick

also our literacy rate in Canada isn't too bad...considering

Key Messages

• Canada gets a “B” and ranks 4th out of 13 countries on the percentage of adults scoring high on adult literacy rate tests.
• Between 1994 and 2003, the proportion of Canadian adults with high literacy skills fell from 24 per cent to 20 per cent.
• Literacy skills erode if they are not used. Adults must engage in formal or informal lifelong learning to maintain their skills.

Putting the adult literacy rate in context


The results of international adult literacy surveys dispel the old notion that individuals are either literate or illiterate. There is no arbitrary standard distinguishing adults who have or do not have skills. Instead, skills are defined along a continuum of proficiency that can be used to denote how well adults use information to function in society and the economy.1 Adult literacy survey results show a strong link between literacy and a country’s economic potential.


Adult literacy rate high-level skills - Canada and world results

Are you paying attention, Blackleaf?

In the Southern States just to give you a quick for instance...Toyota was thinking of opening a plant. They changed their mind when they researched it and found they would have to train the average worker with pictorials because of the literacy problem. Now tell me, how does one upgrade their skills when one is illiterate. Are you just going to let people die? Of course not.

Scary sh*t isn't it? About 20 years ago I heard of a young black fellow applying to get into a university somewhere in the eastern U.S. on a football scholarship. Well he had to take a written exam to qualify. The exam consisted of a question to list the 12 months of the year. He got 10/12 and passed! (83% is pretty good) -

To be fair, you need food, clothing, shelter before you can start to improve yourself. You can't expect a person to pull himself up by his bootstraps when he has no booked and is walking through the mud in bare bloody feet.

That said, minimum wage is not the solution either.

I see a very simple solution to that. Instead of the Gov't paying welfare ad infinitum, they give the guy a loan for $500 to get the boots and clothing etc. and I'm quite sure the Sally Ann will board him for a month until he gets on his feet. Perhaps if he/she was really ambitious there are chores at the Sally Ann that need doing in exchange for his room and board. I think if a guy can make a presentable appearance and be willing to put "his best foot forward", there's people and/or agencies willing to help him/her.

 

[Sal]

Are you talking about that video where the guy spends the first 3 minutes telling us how what he is about to tell us is the most important secret of our lives and if we don't pay attention we'll all be dead in 16 months, blah, blah, blah, blah? I persevered until I got to the part about the U.S. Federal Reserve and the U.S. Gov't. and then I deep sixed it, like I do when a guy swears on a stack of Bibles he's telling the truth. -
We're interested in what Walmart and McDonalds do in Canada. Shouldn't we be able to get that information from our M.P.?

Actually what we were discussing was a post by tay #69

Scary sh*t isn't it?

It worked out super well for my region as they located the plant here. It has now expanded into the Woodstock area as well.

 

[petros]

Ashton who?

 

[JLM]

Actually what we were discussing was a post by tay #69

O.K. I was away for a few hours and I got back another few dozen posts later, so it's hard to follow the drift without reading every one. I got three things to say about that. 1. He's talking about the U.S. not Canada, 2. According to Tay it's not the fault of Walmart or Big Mac and 3. brings us back to the same old argument, the minimum wage is raised, which makes it more costly for Mac to make burgers, so the price goes up..............it's a self fulfilling prophecy!

 

[gerryh]

O.K. I was away for a few hours and I got back another few dozen posts later, so it's hard to follow the drift without reading every one. I got three things to say about that. 1. He's talking about the U.S. not Canada, 2. According to Tay it's not the fault of Walmart or Big Mac and 3. brings us back to the same old argument, the minimum wage is raised, which makes it more costly for Mac to make burgers, so the price goes up..............it's a self fulfilling prophecy!

I assume you know the percentages and figures for running a profitable business. Would you mind showing these numbers that would prove that even a 30% increase in minimum wage would translate out to any significant increase in product cost?

 

[taxslave]

I assume you know the percentages and figures for running a profitable business. Would you mind showing these numbers that would prove that even a 30% increase in minimum wage would translate out to any significant increase in product cost?

That would depend entirelt on the sector. Fo junk food places probably less than 5% For something like a cleaning or gardening service probably around 25%

 

[gerryh]

That would depend entirelt on the sector. Fo junk food places probably less than 5% For something like a cleaning or gardening service probably around 25%

Well, JLM was going on using mcdonalds and walmart as examples. I agree, fast food and box retail would be low, while company's that are labour intensive as opposed to product resale intensive would be a higher percentage. I would have preferred watching jlm stick his foot in his mouth up to his knees and watch him try and extract said foot.

 

[mentalfloss]

Consumption is evidence of demand and more often than not, that demand is fueled by need long before entitlement.

But, then again, for guys like you that feel that life owes you a living, it's no surprise that you confuse this most basic of tenets

I'm not the party that believes we need to focus all our efforts on the economy, so in reality, the ones who feel they are owed a living most are people like you.

Hence the constant clamouring for more freedom.

As if you should be so entitled.

 

[JLM]

Well, JLM was going on using mcdonalds and walmart as examples. I agree, fast food and box retail would be low, while company's that are labour intensive as opposed to product resale intensive would be a higher percentage. I would have preferred watching jlm stick his foot in his mouth up to his knees and watch him try and extract said foot.

I think it was Tay who used Walmart and McDonalds as examples and I was just addressing that. You might have to wait a long time to see my foot in my mouth. But you never know, you keep trying you may get get lucky some day. -

 

[gerryh]

O.K. I was away for a few hours and I got back another few dozen posts later, so it's hard to follow the drift without reading every one. I got three things to say about that. 1. He's talking about the U.S. not Canada, 2. According to Tay it's not the fault of Walmart or Big Mac and 3. brings us back to the same old argument, the minimum wage is raised, which makes it more costly for Mac to make burgers, so the price goes up..............it's a self fulfilling prophecy!

It wasn't tay that said the above, it was you.

I think it was Tay who used Walmart and McDonalds as examples and I was just addressing that. You might have to wait a long time to see my foot in my mouth. But you never know, you keep trying you may get get lucky some day. -

So, back up your contention. Show me the figures that prove mcdonalds would have to raise their prices significantly.